What do you think about Canadian National Mergers???

[Anonymous]

Have any of you trainfans noticed that CN has bought so much track that they extend to the Gulf of Mexico. CN seems to have interest in the resources we have here in the US. CN might just make it in South America in some time. Tell me what you think about CN Mergers to the Gulf Coast. [?]

[CliqueofOne]

CN (Chicago Northern) is really just one American railway buying up yet more American and Canadian railways. Nothing more, nothing less. Signal Mechanic. Signal Department. Former 'Canadian National Railways'.[:(][V]

[athelney]

Seeing as they have just got hold of BC Rail to head up north , they must have designs on joining up with the Alaska RR , then it would be from north to south !!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by athelney

Seeing as they have just got hold of BC Rail to head up north , they must have designs on joining up with the Alaska RR , then it would be from north to south !!

Exactly, you'll be able to go from Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico nearly exclusively on CN trackage.

Talk about a North/South connection.

[BaltACD]

Ultimately, I wouldn't be totally surprised to see two major railroads left in the US!

CN and CP.

[CliqueofOne]

CP. Chicago Pacific?[:(][V]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CliqueofOne

CP. Chicago Pacific?[:(][V]

Go easy on CP, at least they don't mind being Canadian unlike CN.....
It's nice to be able to call them "Canadian Pacific" and not worry about getting repremanded by the management.

And their beautiful golden beaver logo makes me pround that they are happy to be who they are, and not trying to get away from it, unlike CN. [tdn]

[Anonymous]

They took over the Wisconson Central.[V]

[Anonymous]

I'm mad too about how the Canadian National took over the Wisconsin Central. That was my favorite railroad! [:(!]

[rrnut282]

Didn't they buy the Missabe just to get a 2 mile connection track? Any more transactions like that and CN may edge out UP as the most vilified RR.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rrnut282

Didn't they buy the Missabe just to get a 2 mile connection track? Any more transactions like that and CN may edge out UP as the most vilified RR.

As far as I'm concerned CN outbid UP when they sent out the memo saying they no longer want any of their employees to refer to CN as Canadian or Canadian National, just CN.

At least UP is pround of their country.

[Anonymous]

I want to know if the CN & BNSF will still talk "merger" talk's?
BNSFfan.

[Anonymous]

Norfolk Southern National? [^]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089

Have any of you trainfans noticed that CN has bought so much track that they extend to the Gulf of Mexico. CN seems to have interest in the resources we have here in the US. CN might just make it in South America in some time. Tell me what you think about CN Mergers to the Gulf Coast. [?]

Good gosh yes!! Just look at the network map

http://www.cn.ca/en_index.shtml?ww=800

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF9838

I want to know if the CN & BNSF will still talk "merger" talk's?
BNSFfan.

I'm pretty sure the competition guys said NO WAY to that a few years back, and the talks pretty much died out...

CN wanted BNSF, then CP said they would hook up with UP.

It all fell apart after that.

[Randy Stahl]

Interesting that the Ontario Northland takeover by CN never happened. the Canadian regulatory agency shot them down because everyone was sure that many workers in Ontario would lose their jobs....I wonder what gave them that idea? Pity the poor guys at the DM&IR they will soon find out for themselves how brutal the CN is. Buy stock in the KCS, it can't possibly last too long inthe land of giants.

[Clutch Cargo]

C N makes me want to Cuss a Blue Streak.

I live in Northern Wisconsin and am affected by the buyout of the Duluth Missabe and Iron Range Railroad.

They are canceling 22 craft positions in the Proctor MN. yards.
Of the 30 jobs left they are transfering them to the Twin Shitties or Wisconsin Rapids.

The word up here is they wanted 17 miles of track outside Babbit MN. ....

So for 17 miles of track you buy the Railroad, the US Steel Great Lakes Fleet and a couple of captive shortlines in Ohio.

It don`t make a whole lot of sence .

Maybee Chicago Pacific is not too far off the mark.

[Anonymous]

It cinda makes me wounder.,Sometimes.

[BentnoseWillie]

QUOTE: CN seems to have interest in the resources we have here in the US.

'Scuse me? Canada-US trade balance is the other way 'round - the US imports Canadian resources (we were their second-largest supplier of crude oil in 2002). Meanwhile, we import US manufactured goods. We sell more than we buy, because they outnumber us ten to one.

I don't see a surprise in CN integrating more US roads. US investors bought most of CN nearly a decade ago, and the majority of its business is cross-border, so further integration was inevitable, as was "Americanisation" at the top executive level. "Y'gotta dance with the one what brung ya", after all. Integration has been going on for a century or longer, but it's more overt recently because of evolving regulatory environments.

Like it or not, it was bound to happen. Change is the only constant.

[BentnoseWillie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguyAs far as I'm concerned CN outbid UP when they sent out the memo saying they no longer want any of their employees to refer to CN as Canadian or Canadian National, just CN.

True - but they also banned the names "Chicago Central & Pacific", "Wisconsin Central", and "Illinois Central" (to name a few), many of which had much more history than "Canadian National" did. The privatization legislation didn't specify a retention of the name - if they really wanted to exterminate the Canadian part of the corporate identity, they'd rename it Illinois Central...[:O)]

All CN did was settle on a name that matched their logo more closly, for easier brand recognition - just like Industrial Business Machine and American Telegraph and Telephone did. The full name isn't dead, - in fact, the index page of CN's website (which, by the way, is a .ca domain) includes "Canadian National" in the title bar.

[zardoz]

At least, for the time being, the talking detectors on the Waukesha sub still identify as "Wisconsin Central, milepost xx.xx....."

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie

QUOTE: CN seems to have interest in the resources we have here in the US.

'Scuse me? Canada-US trade balance is the other way 'round - the US imports Canadian resources (we were their second-largest supplier of crude oil in 2002). Meanwhile, we import US manufactured goods. We sell more than we buy, because they outnumber us ten to one.

I don't see a surprise in CN integrating more US roads. US investors bought most of CN nearly a decade ago, and the majority of its business is cross-border, so further integration was inevitable, as was "Americanisation" at the top executive level. "Y'gotta dance with the one what brung ya", after all. Integration has been going on for a century or longer, but it's more overt recently because of evolving regulatory environments.

Like it or not, it was bound to happen. Change is the only constant.

that is the voice of wisdom,....you are absolutely correct.

Funny, but when Canadian interests were buying up USA "trophies" back in the 1980's, it was considered "bad form" if we ugly americans protested the workings of the "free market"

It's sad, yet at the same time gratifying to see the ugliness now that the shoe is on the other foot.

Carter, Hawley, Hale anyone?

[ShaunCN]

Canadian National has merged and/or bought out a lot of RR's like:

Grand Trunk Western
Central Vermont(which they sold in 1995?)
WC
IC
BC Rail
Almost got ON Rail too
they also got Great lakes transportation that I think included a couple RR's

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BentnoseWillie

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguyAs far as I'm concerned CN outbid UP when they sent out the memo saying they no longer want any of their employees to refer to CN as Canadian or Canadian National, just CN.

True - but they also banned the names "Chicago Central & Pacific", "Wisconsin Central", and "Illinois Central" (to name a few), many of which had much more history than "Canadian National" did. The privatization legislation didn't specify a retention of the name - if they really wanted to exterminate the Canadian part of the corporate identity, they'd rename it Illinois Central...[:O)]

All CN did was settle on a name that matched their logo more closly, for easier brand recognition - just like Industrial Business Machine and American Telegraph and Telephone did. The full name isn't dead, - in fact, the index page of CN's website (which, by the way, is a .ca domain) includes "Canadian National" in the title bar.

Renaming CN to IC would require them to re-paint the vast majority of their loco's and thousands of pieces of rolling stock, and I'm sure that's the only thing that's stopping them from renaming the railroad.

It's one thing to change your name for easier brand reconition, and a whole nother thing to send out memo's to all your employes saying that they can no longer refer to CN as Canadian or Canadian National, just CN.

That, to me, was very un-patriotic of CN to do.... but what the hell does Harrison care anyway.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy



Renaming CN to IC would require them to re-paint the vast majority of their loco's and thousands of pieces of rolling stock, and I'm sure that's the only thing that's stopping them from renaming the railroad.

How so? I still see a lot of "southern" rolling stock on NS trains. I bet UP has quite a bit of "MoPac" , "CNW", "Southern Pacific" And even "Cotton Belt" rolling stock not getting fresh paint anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy



Renaming CN to IC would require them to re-paint the vast majority of their loco's and thousands of pieces of rolling stock, and I'm sure that's the only thing that's stopping them from renaming the railroad.

How so? I still see a lot of "southern" rolling stock on NS trains. I bet UP has quite a bit of "MoPac" , "CNW", "Southern Pacific" And even "Cotton Belt" rolling stock not getting fresh paint anytime soon.

Fair enough,

They would still have over a thousand loco's to do.

[Anonymous]

Bah...

It's Cn...

[CliqueofOne]

Funny, but when Canadian interests were buying up USA "trophies" back in the 1980's, it was considered "bad form" if we ugly americans protested the workings of the "free market"


Could you please refresh my memory as to what USA "trophies", Canadian interests were buying back in the 1980s. Thanks in advance for the enlightenment. Signal Mechanic, Signal Department, former Canadian National Railways. [?]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CliqueofOne

Funny, but when Canadian interests were buying up USA "trophies" back in the 1980's, it was considered "bad form" if we ugly americans protested the workings of the "free market"


Could you please refresh my memory as to what USA "trophies", Canadian interests were buying back in the 1980s. Thanks in advance for the enlightenment. Signal Mechanic, Signal Department, former Canadian National Railways. [?]

Highrise Office buildings for one thing, and a number of VERY cherished Department stores.... Also, one of the MAJOR hollywood studios.

[Clutch Cargo]

Oh Goodness Yes.

Anyone who puts money in Hollywood deserves to be taken for a ride.

(Whoo, Whoo, Chuga ,Chuga.)

C.N.stock is still listed as a "Buy" by major brokerages here in the U S .
nevermind that they are just eating up the plant of the Railroads they buy out.
12% return on capital is all investors care about..

(Whoo, Whoo., Chuga ,Chuga)

Disclamer...Kurt owns stock in B N ..U P
and N S.

Kurt.