Murphy Siding PNWRMNMI don't know if steel mill slag was popular around steel mills. I have heard a story that one line has been kept intact out of service out of fear that the slag will cause the right of way to be declaired a Superfund Site. I can neither confirm nor deny the story. What would be in the slag that would cause concern?
PNWRMNMI don't know if steel mill slag was popular around steel mills. I have heard a story that one line has been kept intact out of service out of fear that the slag will cause the right of way to be declaired a Superfund Site. I can neither confirm nor deny the story.
Keep in mind that slag - by definition - is the accumulation of 'crud' that isn't wanted in the steel at all. It is often removed by adding limestone to the steel for use a a 'flux' to bring those impurities to the surface. What those impurities are mainly depends on the source and composition of the iron that is being used to make the steel - raw ore, taconite pellets, or scrap steel. In those large quantities of hundreds of thousands or even millions of tons of steel and slag from each plant per year, even trace amounts or concentrations can amount to a lot of impurities in absolute terms. While some are comparatively benign, others are evil toxics as mentioned above - lead, zinc, cadmium, sulphur, etc.
A former New Jersey Zinc Co. plant near here - in Palmerton, PA - was selling 'post-industrial' slag or cinders or something of the sort a few years ago for use in winter anti-skid materials that the DOT and municipalities woudl apply to icy roads and the like. There was a brief furor about it containing high concentrations of those kinds of things, and the usual media-spread worries over the possible effects on drinking water wells, lawns, kids, etc. However, the sale and use of those materials was then discontinued, and I don't recall seeing or hearing anything else about that since then.
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GN_FanThe MILW in Montana used what looked like screened river rock, so it all depends on the railroad and existing sources.
The MILW in Montana used what looked like screened river rock, so it all depends on the railroad and existing sources.
The MILW used gravel from the quarry at Paragon, 8 miles west of Miles City. The spur to the quarry was in place until sometime in the 1970's.
Gotta love that CNW pink ballast.
Darn! I had to look some things up. I thought granite was a metamorphic rock, and I got a B+ in Geology 101/102 at a "Hard Rock" school, St. Lawrence U.. I think 'gabbro' is too specific for all granite, though. Doesn't gabbro have to contain some metalic ingredients? When I lived in New Rochelle, NY the only industry (siding-wise) in nearby Larchmont, NY was the New Haven Trap Rock Co.. Quite a big operation, served by New Haven electric motors. I think the home-base was what is now the North Branford 'Tilton' Quarry, just east of New Haven, served by the Branford Steam Railroad, and still in operation. Out here, the Great Northern Railway had a quarry up near Essex, MT. It produced a cool pinkish/red ballast. The pit has been closed for some time, but the ballast remains in some areas, especially in the local's planting beds (mine included!). Down in Sydney, NS it was slag-slag-slag, a "free" product for the CNR from the Sydney steel mill (Dominion Steel and Coal). As they say in the real estate business....
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BT CPSO 266mudchickenstarts pink to red to grey as the oxide dust from the crusher washes out So what your saying it will turn gray eventually?
mudchickenstarts pink to red to grey as the oxide dust from the crusher washes out
Eventually it turns darker red and goes to gray-ish. Pedernel (NM) changes colortone as well (reddish brown to grey). The fines (" 3/4"chips" and "waste") used in walkways and yard tracks turn color at a slower rate. Granite Mountain (UP & BNSF Laramie WY) comes out light gray to dark gray.
In Colorado, ATSF/MoPac/DRGW used Pueblo Slag for years. It fell out of favor because it crumbled to dust rapidly and then the steel mill (then CF&I, now Gervaz RMSM) changed from raw steel production using the Bessemer process to using arc furnaces and recycled steel. Used to be fum watching the molten slag ladlecars and bottles dump their loads on Minnequa hill.
CSSHEGEWISCH Murphy Siding PNWRMNMI don't know if steel mill slag was popular around steel mills. I have heard a story that one line has been kept intact out of service out of fear that the slag will cause the right of way to be declaired a Superfund Site. I can neither confirm nor deny the story. What would be in the slag that would cause concern? Steel mill slag is quite inert. In my neighborhood it was routinely used to surface alleys. The alley behind our garage had slag cinders for the surface and after several years of service, it was almost as hard as concrete and you could bounce a basketball off of it. The problem implied in PNWRMNM's post is not the slag but some other materials from the steelmaking process that may be in the ground.
Steel mill slag is quite inert. In my neighborhood it was routinely used to surface alleys. The alley behind our garage had slag cinders for the surface and after several years of service, it was almost as hard as concrete and you could bounce a basketball off of it.
The problem implied in PNWRMNM's post is not the slag but some other materials from the steelmaking process that may be in the ground.
As Paul North indicated balast used by railroads was generally the most available material (understand as probably the least costly product). Area by area, the material most convienient. In Yards, Shops during the steam age, it was cinders. Still to be found in the U.P.'s Parsons,Ks yard (nee KATY RR main shops facilities) was cinders and limestone mix. The KATY got most of its ballast from two resources, a quarry at South Mound Kansas ( on the former main from Parsons towards St. Louis, and another quarry at Stringtown, OK. The limestone at these two sites was extremely hard, and suitable for ballast use, ( the UP still resources ballast from the Stringtown quarry.) Just to note, a few doors down from my house, a former MoPac branch still has cinder ballast showing after more than twenty years.
Paul (CSSHEGEWISCHE) mentioned cinders in an alley. For years the most available crushed product in the SEKansas, NE Oklahoma, SW Missouri areas was the waste from the lead and zink mining operations in the area; it was free for the hauling off. It was used as railroad ballast, and covering roadways and alleys all over the area. As some may be aware as invironmental issue came to the fore, this product has become a very odious element in the environment (lead dust). Now they cannot give ity away, so it sits in immense piles near the sources, dust blowing out in the wind from the tops of those piles ( in fact, some in NE OKLA are Superfund sites). Towns and cities were forced to "encapsulate' the rock by paving methods. I guess the waste stuff used on current railroad ROW'S has been screened out, and disposed of.
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Rereading this excerpt I see that I was not clear. The slag in question was not from steel; it was from a copper/silver/gold smelter. I would guess, and this is only a guess, arsenic or some heavy metal.
Mac
Here in the boonies of Western Indiana where the NS runs, slag is found in older ballast all the time. (Late 1990‘s era ballast is still in use here). It is mixed with limestone and some basalt I believe. I think that as the need for new ballast comes around, NS is just using just a plain granite for the ballast, and covering up the slag mix.
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Steel mill slag was used extensively where it was available, it was cheap and trouble free until the carriers started using electric signalling with current running through the rails to form signalling track circuits. The residual iron that remained in the slag, under damp conditions began conducting the electricity and creating problems with the signal system. Over the years most main tracks that once had slag as their ballast of choice, have had it changed over to other non-conductive forms of ballast.
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BT CPSO 266I have always wondered if there was actually a difference between different types of ballast. Such as the traditional gray ballast and the reddish type of ballast used by BNSF on the Cajon Pass. I am not sure what it's technical term is.
What you're looking at on Cajon:
"Newberry Ballast" = granite with quartzite flakes from Newberry Springs, CA (20 miles east of Barstow).....starts pink to red to grey as the oxide dust from the crusher washes out
Good overall summary by Mac, steve14, and corwinda.
Slag was indeed popular around steel mills. I worked with 2 basic kinds:
Open-hearth slag, which is similar to granite or basalt in weight, color, and durability - kind of like abstract steel pours, very dense and hard, a good though not an excellent material.
Blast furnace slag, a/k/a 'popcorn'. It has a lot of air voids in it, so is much lighter in color and weight and breaks down much easier. Fine for industrial sidetracks, but not for mainline use.
Here in southeastern Pennsylvania, we have wonderful traprock and limestone quarries. ConRail used to haul traprock from the John T. Dyer quarry in Birdsboro (southeast of Reading) as far west as Indiana; Amtrak hauled traprock from the Glen Mills quarry (west of Phila., southeast of West Chester)as far northeast as Connecticut. With those sources available, limestone was used for industrial tracks, where it was well-suited to the needs and loads.
The geological name for that 'taprock' is gabbro.
IIRC much of the former WP in eastern Nevada has slag from the Bingham Canyon copper mine as ballast.
Really good overview of this question. One small note, but you may have mistyped the name. It is Traprock.
Historically, the ballast a railroad used was what was available on line, hence limestone in the south, ganite in the west, cinders or dirt anywhere, etc, as you note. As demands for a better track structure developed, many things changed. Ties got bigger, rail got heavier and the need for a good solid base to build it on got more critical.
For technical requirements for modern ballast materials, AREMA is the governing source. Committee 1 is Roadway and Ballast and their chapter in the Manual for Railway Engineering has all the detail any techno-geek could want. There are several gradations to choose from but on most main lines you will see rock from about 2" down to about 1/2". It will have all fractured faces (run through a crusher but not from river rock which would leave smooth faces, for example) so it will interlock to make a strong, stable mass.
There are specific strength and performance requirements for the various types of rock and there are many ASTM tests used to measure these qualities. Some of the discussions in Committee 1 about what tests to use got interesting when you noted that some people were defending a particular test which showed their local material (be they from a railroad or a supplier) more favorably than another test.
Basically you want a material that will stand up to grinding action of trains passing without producing too many fine particles that could clog things up (drainage is the holy grail of good track), doesn't fracture in freeze-thaw cycles, breaks in somewhat cubic shapes rather than thin and long, doesn't have a lot of clay or dirt mixed in, etc.
This is where material like Traprock (New England and parts of the midwest), Quartzite (CNW's pink lady at Baraboo, WI) and Granite (everywhere west) do better than Limestone (although there are some really tough dolomites that do pretty good).
There are huge differences among types of ballast. Mud, sand, cinders, pit run gravel, limestone, slag, granite, and basalt are or have been reasonably common at one time or another.
Ballast is there to spread the weight of track and equipment to the subgrade. The materials listed do so in approximate order of increasing effectiveness. You want particles to interlock to privide more solid structure and to resist lateral forces. You want material to last forever in that locked condition. You want it cheap and located where you are.
Mud, sand, and pit run gravel particles do not interlock very well and are used today only on way back tracks, if at all.
Limestone was popular in the South because it was more available locally than the others, but it is a weak material that degrades from crushed rock to round pebbles fairly quickly. The result is that it degrades in terms of support and also in terms of drainage/permiablity.
A main line today will likely be slag, granite, or basalt. Slag was used when available. The slag that I am most familiar with was copper or copper/silver gold. The former on SP in Arizona and the latter on NP in Montana come to mind. I don't know if steel mill slag was popular around steel mills. I have heard a story that one line has been kept intact out of service out of fear that the slag will cause the right of way to be declaired a Superfund Site. I can neither confirm nor deny the story.
Granite is a light colored intrusive igneous rock. Exposures of granite are correlated with the cores of mountain ranges. One of the largest is the Sierra Nevada in California. Granite is most likely to be grey, but the Great Northern, now BNSF, has some very pretty pink granite basalt in Montana. Stone Mountain GA is also granite.
Basalt is dark colored extrusive igneous rock. The largest continental basalt eruption in the western hemisphere is the Columbia River Basalts of Eastern Washington, Eastern Oregon and Southern Idaho. Much of BNSF and UP in the Pacific Northwest is CRB. BNSF has a large basalt ballast pit at Mesa WA. In New England the chemically same material is know as "taprock", but the material may not have erupted in the surface. If it did not erupt it has a different geolgoical name which I can not recall at the moment. Taprock is the common name, not geological name. IIRC the Palisades in New Jersey are taprock. I know my PNW geology better than New England.
This is very broad brush treatment of a complex subject from both engineering and geological perspective.
The differences in ballast is determined by the source of the rock used. I assume railroads have a standard for rock size, and that rock is either screened or crushed to meet that standard. The CNW used pink ballast because it was an on-line source and crushed to size. The MILW in Montana used what looked like screened river rock, so it all depends on the railroad and existing sources.
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