What is it that you hate the UNION PACIFIC so much?

[Anonymous]

I have read alot of forum's about alot of you who just plain hate the UNION PACIFIC RAILROAD.......so for what's it's worth,to all of you .......what is it about the UP that you HATE them so much? And what can be done to get you to like them again? Go ahead and spill your guts out, mabe thay just might listen.
Now that the UP is in the mitts of another meltdown![:D].......I LOVE IT!

[Willy2]

I just don't like Union Pacific. I always have liked BNSF so I am annoyed that Union Pacific has just a few more miles of track than BNSF. I just want BNSF to have more track. I also really think that UP is just too big of a hotshot of a railroad!

Willy

[espeefoamer]

They assimilated my beloved Southern Pacific.[:(!]When they "merge" with another railroad, all signs of that road dissapear quickly.It all turns yellow.[:(!]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

It all turns yellow.[:(!]

Puke Yellow to be exact, Long Live the Espee! errr....well in theory anyways.

Jay

[Willy2]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

They assimilated my beloved Southern Pacific.[:(!]When they "merge" with another railroad, all signs of that road dissapear quickly.It all turns yellow.[:(!]

I don't mind the yellow too much. But the Southern Pacific and Chicago Northwestern are symbols of railroads of the past. Their paint shouldn't be messed with.

Willy

[Anonymous]

I also forgot to say, the only reason that I don't like the UP is because of the GREAT CNW RAILWAY. The CNW "will" be missed.I was always a big fan of the:
The CHICAGO&NORTHWESTERN RAILROAD[bow].

[Anonymous]

I don't Hate the UP, they're just my least favorite. Their style is one of gluttony, not unlike microsoft whom I do hate

How much imagination does it take to root for the front runner? NONE!

[JoeKoh]

dont hate really any railroad.just question some of their practices.how are you going to keep traffic with poor service?
stay safe
joe

[dehusman]

Success is the best revenge.

Dave H.

[Anonymous]

I don't mind UP, I also don't mind the yellow.

If it's a railroad it's all good in my books.

[Anonymous]

Are we not just seeing a lot of reaction to the royalties issue?? Certainly a major PR flop.

[Anonymous]

The UP,BNSF and any of these BIG railroads are just too sterile imho. Give my the IAIS, IC&E, KB&S or any of these kinda shortlines anyday. Alot more interesting that goat boats on itermodal trains or another yellow block on wheels.(the SD70m's are handsome locos). LONG LIVE THE ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Why? The management of that place is so out of touch its sick. Its hard to explain just how to an average railfan unless you work around it and see it daily. In one recent example, a UP official failed one of our guys in an efficiency test for failing to say "RED ZONE" when going in between equipment. Our guy said "in-between" which is what he is required by our RR to say. Our managers just shook their head and laughed at the UP idiot when he reported this "failure". They wrote another guy up for not having his earplugs in his ears, although they were around his neck and he was nowhere near the engine (thus not required to be wearing them) Only two of hundreds of incidents; I could write all night long. Point is: Why don't these people do something constructive like, maybe figure out how they can slow the MELTDOWN of their pathetic managed RR rather than point out "violations" that ain't even violations?!!

[cpbloom]

I miss Conrail, but I hold no ill will towards NS or CSX . NS runs just as many trains by CP-Bloom as Conrail did (maybe even more) and that is what matters. As far as what the management is doing for a specific railroad I don't care; I'm not railfanning because of the management. I hear my friends complain all the time over some dumb $h*t the managers have done at their place of employment so it can't be just happening at UP.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I miss Conrail, but I hold no ill will towards NS or CSX . NS runs just as many trains by CP-Bloom as Conrail did (maybe even more) and that is what matters. As far as what the management is doing for a specific railroad I don't care; I'm not railfanning because of the management. I hear my friends complain all the time over some dumb $h*t the managers have done at their place of employment so it can't be just happening at UP.

I agree with the last part of your statement. People on here are mostly old enough to realize that everything is cyclical. UP will recover and regain all the lost ground and be on top again. I don't see much UP, so BNSF fan because I recognize their engines. But like them all.

Mook

[wallyworld]

UP is the Martha Stewart of the railroad industry. It's competitive corporate ego matches its physical size only to find it's karma causes it to trip over it's own feet on the red carpet in a very public way. I regret the industry's community black eye that once again only reinforces the perception that the reach of Class I roads exceeds their grasp. We Can Handle It? I have no ill will against UP but
it is mismanaged. I hope they resolve their self created problems as quickly as possible.

[Anonymous]

As a retired UP (7 years Great Northern, 33 years Chicago Northwestern and the final 5 yars UP) employee I think the biggest fault of the UP is lousy planning in its recent mergers and other aquasitions. When they took over the CNW there was a period of about nine months of chaos. The same and only worse when the SP was taken over.

The management did not listen to the employees of the acquired properities and it showed.

Hope the next one is better.



Ringer
(God Bless the Great Northern)

[CShaveRR]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie
I don't see much UP, so BNSF fan because I recognize their engines. But like them all.

Sister Jen, I have this impulse to give you a great big hug after reading that! I happen to like the UP because they pay me to watch trains. But the thrill comes no matter whose train I'm watching. So I was most assuredly a BNSF fan while I was in Lincoln (except for that minute or two when I was an OLB fan)!

As a railroader, I see plenty of things while train-watching that I recognize as screw-ups. But I'm not privy to all that went on beforehand, nor should I be speculating on what should have been done instead. At work, I just do my job as best I can, trying hard to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Ringer1

As a retired UP (7 years Great Northern, 33 years Chicago Northwestern and the final 5 yars UP) employee I think the biggest fault of the UP is lousy planning in its recent mergers and other aquasitions. When they took over the CNW there was a period of about nine months of chaos. The same and only worse when the SP was taken over.

The management did not listen to the employees of the acquired properities and it showed.

Hope the next one is better.



Ringer
(God Bless the Great Northern)

Seems to be a pervasive attitude among management - don't listen to the help!

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

The complaint by razzy24us about overzealous rules enforcement is rather short-sighted since the situations he cites involve safety rules. It is important to everybody that following the safety rules becomes second nature to the worker since it improves his chances of finishing his tour of duty with all parts intact.

Safety is of the first importance in the discharge of duty.

[Anonymous]

I first started to dislike UP when one of its execs made a comment about railfans that I didn't like, after that it all went down hill from there.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, well he can get stuffed.

I'm looking at most of your sotries, and it appears your all judging from a single thing gone wrong, or NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. suddenly the whole Railroad is bad?

Thought we were a bit more mature then that!

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

I first started to dislike UP when one of its execs made a comment about railfans that I didn't like, after that it all went down hill from there.

[Anonymous]

Dougal...........That is a DAMN true statement that you made! Very goog point.
But I also must understand that alot of the railroad workers GO THROUGH alot of $hit Too,case in point.BNSFfan.

[Anonymous]

I dont mind Union Pacific at all. Besides they look great on the camera![8D][tup]

[Willy2]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Yeah, well he can get stuffed.

I'm looking at most of your sotries, and it appears your all judging from a single thing gone wrong, or NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. suddenly the whole Railroad is bad?

Thought we were a bit more mature then that!

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

I first started to dislike UP when one of its execs made a comment about railfans that I didn't like, after that it all went down hill from there.

Kevin - I don't hate the Union Pacific. I just am not fond of them. Some of the nonsense they have come up with in the past years is really getting at my nerves. Some people have said that they don't care what railroad it is because as long as it is a railroad they like it. I'm the same, I still watch UP trains. I just don't like UP.

Willy

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Willy2

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Yeah, well he can get stuffed.

I'm looking at most of your sotries, and it appears your all judging from a single thing gone wrong, or NOT IN YOUR FAVOR. suddenly the whole Railroad is bad?

Thought we were a bit more mature then that!

QUOTE: Originally posted by dougal

I first started to dislike UP when one of its execs made a comment about railfans that I didn't like, after that it all went down hill from there.

Kevin - I don't hate the Union Pacific. I just am not fond of them. Some of the nonsense they have come up with in the past years is really getting at my nerves. Some people have said that they don't care what railroad it is because as long as it is a railroad they like it. I'm the same, I still watch UP trains. I just don't like UP.

Willy

It was not just one thing, small things UP does (or did) that add up after a while. Same with CSX.

[jeffhergert]

Yesterday my engineer and myself were discussing railroading in general and the UP specfically.
My opinion is that while more arrogant, the way it's managed is really no different than any other major US company, railroad or not. They do short-sited, stupid things because long term is the next quarterly report. That seems to be the way of modern management in the US.
Also, around here the consensus about the style of management is the "Mop mentallity." After the UP aquired the MP, a lot of top jobs went to MP officers. One of our local managers reportedly said he worked for the MP, went to another railroad to get away from them, than the UP took it over, now he's back working for them again.

[Rustyrex]

Personally, because they tore up sections of the old Mo-pac Colorado Eagle line and DRGW Tennessee Pass to keep BNSF or another road(IMRL was interested in this line, Norfolk Southern as well) from getting a Kansas City to the West Coast Transcon route, literally burning the briges behind them. A 60 MPH track in 1997 is now just grass and ballast in sections.

[wabash1]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

The complaint by razzy24us about overzealous rules enforcement is rather short-sighted since the situations he cites involve safety rules. It is important to everybody that following the safety rules becomes second nature to the worker since it improves his chances of finishing his tour of duty with all parts intact.

Safety is of the first importance in the discharge of duty.

Razzy is right on and you are just a little off. ( ns brainwashing off) razzy made the statement that they didnt like it cause they didnt hear red zone. for years we told each other we was going in. and the engineer didnt move now we haft to take up more time saying give me 3 step with engine number job number and then the engineer must repeat this and then the conductor repeats this again. hell he could already have the work done and the radio wouldnt have as much chatter on it. Ear plugs most officials dont even know that rule they just read engine and earplugs and write you up. the rule is ear plugs must be worn on LOADING engines. not engines that are running engines that are loading. My all time favorite is the one that states you are not allowed to stand directly in front of a moving train or engine. well duh!!! I wonder if the trainmasters would come out in the field and give us a example of this one.

[Anonymous]

The biggest problem with todays so-called railroads is that they "love" to abandon as many miles of track as posible. If it keeps going at this rate their isn't going to be any railroad left,railfans are going to have to find a new hobby!......And THAT'S pretty sad!
What the CNW did getting rid of the old cowboy line was a very stupid move on there part and no thanks to the damn UNION PACIFIC the line would still be here today.
And no one can't tell me thats not true because IT IS TRUE! Those people up in northern nebraska swore up and down that the demise of the cowboy line would surly mean DEATH to northern nebraska......and sure enough.
The CNW cowboy line had alot of rich history behind it and Im extreamly sad thats it's gone.......over 300 miles...... GONE!
"That's why I HATE the UNION PACIFIC" I just hope and pray that there are no more track abandonments![:(][:(!].