Another Derailment, no injuries (with pics)

[Anonymous]

Found this article on a new derailment (pictures are in article)
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3301698/detail.html

[mudchicken]

Right in Mudchicken's backyard....Mudchicken opened a new bottle of pop (diet) and broke out the peanuts & popcorn while watching the news media make complete idiots out of themselves reporting on BNSF's bad day at the office.[(-D][(-D][(-D]

(this is at the mainline wye , Front Range Sub beween MP 1.0 (Prospect Junction) and MP 0.8 (23rd Street Interlocking). in a nasty / wicked wheel squeeling compound curve)...the train short- chorded the curve ala Cantara Loop....into the Platte River under Br. 0.86B....

The news media can't get the basics right including :

(1) whose train (IT ain't DRGW, C&S or BN guys! - try BNSF)

(2) Cause of derailment (They don't know yet, but not likely wet rail as reported by Ch. 4),
and OH yeah, the fire department could determine the cause of the derailment?[%-)]

http://9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=7fd777f5-0abe-421a-018f-a6ca174edc8f&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf


(3) Type of cars, empty center sill bulkhead flats, not empty autoracks!

(4) For 2 hours it was reported to be a hazmat spill (not!).....let's get the fire department
[%-)] and the hazmat crews to comeout and overreact! Send those folks home and get them out of the way!

Let's see, it snowed this morning and everybody got silly today[%-)][%-)][%-)]

Waiting for "film at 11" to see if they continue to screw up....

[banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead][banghead]

[edblysard]

Love the wet rail theory, guess we shouldnt "play" in the rain anymore...

Now all we need is a track dryer...

Ed

[mudchicken]

Where ya gonna plug the hairdryer, er um.. rail dryer at.??? Can we borrow one from the bathroom at your house Ed?

[Kozzie]

mudchicken, Ed and crew, at the risk of sounding dumb, [:I] is what mudchicken called a 'compound curve,' a curve that is not consistently the same degree all the way through? [:)]

Dave

[Anonymous]

Dog bites man is getting more and more interesting - R

[Anonymous]

Sorry to drastically change the subject, but they call soda "pop" in Denver? Huh, I thought that was just a Midwestern thing. Although Denver is technically in the Plains rather than in the Rockies, so it could be considered more midwestern than Salt Lake or Albuquerque.

[mudchicken]

Compound Curve: A CURVE consisting of two or more simple curves in the same direction (Simmons Boardman Dictionary of Railway Track Terms)

You've got it Kozzie.....I remember part of that 10 MPH rascal was well over 15 Degrees (R=383.06 Ft.) the last time I worked around that place and most of the rest of it was over 12 Degrees. No telling what the track liner did to it. It's a classic case of bad geometry in confined urban spaces....i.e. a "knuckle buster" on a relatively flat grade.

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andyjay

Sorry to drastically change the subject, but they call soda "pop" in Denver? Huh, I thought that was just a Midwestern thing. Although Denver is technically in the Plains rather than in the Rockies, so it could be considered more midwestern than Salt Lake or Albuquerque.

Yup! - and they call local product Coors "barley pop" ....

The change from midwestern to western happens out in the middle of Kansas somewhere. Only Toto knows where!

[:D][:D][:D]

[Modelcar]

...Wet rail huh....Maybe they should have stopped and put the chains on. And on "pop" only midwestern speech....No, it has also been called that in the east for decades.

[Anonymous]

mudchicken - I thought I was reading a guy that knew about the rules of 90/180/360, extended spirals, magic triangles, and secant to line. If you haven't guessed by now I did some time as a surveyor before going into the inspection ranks many years ago when I built tracks to a powerhouse called Scherer for Georgia Power and latter Unit I and II themselves. Good to meet you - Roy

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Compound Curve: A CURVE consisting of two or more simple curves in the same direction (Simmons Boardman Dictionary of Railway Track Terms)

You've got it Kozzie.....I remember part of that 10 MPH rascal was well over 15 Degrees (R=383.06 Ft.) the last time I worked around that place and most of the rest of it was over 12 Degrees. No telling what the track liner did to it. It's a classic case of bad geometry in confined urban spaces....i.e. a "knuckle buster" on a relatively flat grade.

Thanks mudchicken - nasty little curve by the looks of things. Re-alignment I guess would only happen with resumption of land.

Plenty of track re-alignemnet going down here in Queensland on the Main North Coast Line. We've got some alignments from the steam era and trying to run our new Tilt Train at a decent speed at the same time - nope...try again... ahhh! yes...re-align the tracks - By George! I think they've got it!..but it all costs money! hmmmm!!!! a bit a t a time....

[Mookie]

Hold my hand and give me your best shot at what you think caused the derailment!

Andyjay - we call it pop here in Lincoln NE - had a friend from Ohio once that called it soda - and I was all ready for ice cream and fizzy water - very disappointed.

And Denver is just Denver. We don't claim it as mid-west.

MC - Toto is in freezer - wanna see?

Turned on furnace again last nite for 3rd time this spring (have to relight it each time after we use the central air ! But rain, no snow!

Mookie

[pmsteamman]

It is amazing how little the media ( and public for that matter) know about trains. When CSX had the 8888 mishap (runaway) they were all over it but kept asking how the train works and for railroad workers to call in and help them. The sheffifs dept was trying to shoot the fuel cutoff button on the side of the fuel tank. Now I never claim to be smart but bullits and fuel tanks cant be good. Just my [2c]

[Anonymous]

It is amazing, this is only about a mile from where I like to sit by the tracks at the UP yard in Denver. Too bad I was not there yesterday, would have been interesting to check it out. I also just heard on the news that Amtrak is going to have to bus people to Grandby and Grand Junction until the track is cleared up.