I think I have found out more about myself than I wanted to know. I seem to be very focused in my railfanning activitities.I am basicly an introvert,but also enjoy railfanning with friends.I usually read or listen to the radio while sitting in my car waiting for a train to go by. I enjoy riding trains with friends,but usually prefer striking out on my own at the destination." He who travels fastest goes alone".
OK, but are there any "Norwegian bachelor farmers" here ?
If you don't know the background to the question, see - among many other references to same at this site - the "Post to the Host" column of A Prairie Home Companion, specifically the question by Nancy Mobley about 2/3 of the way down, at: http://www.publicradio.org/columns/prairiehome/posthost/2005/11/
- PDN.
Murphy Sidingerikem Murphy Siding Oofda!. Murph, That's Uff Da.... (My grandmother was from Norway.) Being of Norweigan heritage, I knew that. ' Was in too much of a hurry to stop and think. Guess I should have used my Norweigan/American spellcheck feature?
erikem Murphy Siding Oofda!. Murph, That's Uff Da.... (My grandmother was from Norway.)
Murphy Siding Oofda!.
Oofda!.
Murph,
That's Uff Da.... (My grandmother was from Norway.)
Seems to me that Scandinavians are more likely to be introverts than the general US population - often preferring quiet isolated spots to relax (maybe that explains ice fishing?). Maybe a coincidence, but the Scandinavians and Japanese have the highest proportion of people with type AB blood.
Asked and answered.
Thanx Al
She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
Al - want to enlighten the curious?
Holy smokes, Al, they must have had a field day with you. Did they see you coming? If it were me, I'd be on my hands and knees by the time I got through the front door of my house.
-Crandell
Once I found myself the only INTJ in a room full of ESFP's and ENFP's. Very uncomfortable for me. - a.s.
blownout cylinderAs for this Intro/Extra bit---part of a long continuua. All of us have our moments of both extremes and we probably could come up with some more in the process------
Very true, and it applies equally to our politics. No, not inviting that red herring, but merely pointing out that we all have left and right leanings as it suits us to do.
How people describe and represent themselves is often at odds with their behaviour from the point of view of objective bystanders.
I'm not saying or implying that it is grim. In my business, broadcasting/advertising/marketing, it is the way of life: we must quantify and qualify by demographics, income, gender, etc. If it can't be done, it doesn't exist. Aside from the advertising/marketing angle, music formats have become so narrowly defined that a listener has to choose more than one station to satisfy a given musical taste. Even within musical genres like Country you have choices of classic, old, and today's styles. Rock is spread across the same with Oldies, Classic and today. Jazz is split by smooth and standards. And pop is either contemporary, oldies, or standards. So we do a lot of defining, departmentalizing, segregating, and seperating all aspects of our lives. In our case here, we are trying to either define the degree of railfan as fan or foamer or as introverted or extroverted. And we all disagree to prove that we can't be defined!
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henry6 Oh we Americans like to pigeon hole, quantify, qualify and segregate foibles, personalities, music, likes, dislikes, similarities, disimilarities, demographics, idiosyncrosies, hair color, eye color, sex, height, ...well you name it, and we do it. If we don't have that information handy at the stroke of an internet key, we are lost. Let's move on and enjoy the likenesses and unliknesses of each of us and talk about trains and railroading.....
Oh we Americans like to pigeon hole, quantify, qualify and segregate foibles, personalities, music, likes, dislikes, similarities, disimilarities, demographics, idiosyncrosies, hair color, eye color, sex, height, ...well you name it, and we do it. If we don't have that information handy at the stroke of an internet key, we are lost. Let's move on and enjoy the likenesses and unliknesses of each of us and talk about trains and railroading.....
It's not quite that grim. Everyone does this to some degree--not just Americans!!LOL!! This is an aspect of our behaviour that probably came with the property(ie:our selves)from running into different tribes of cavepeople etc.
As for this Intro/Extra bit---part of a long continuua. All of us have our moments of both extremes and we probably could come up with some more in the process------
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
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I think the topic Railfan vs. Foamer is relevant to this discussion. If you haven't yet, check it out.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Murphy SidingOofda!.
edblysardWould you consider me an introvert?
Would you consider me an introvert?
One of the simplest explanations for differentiating an introvert from an extrovert is how they unwind or decompress. Introverts do it by taking time for themselves, extroverts do it by associating with other people. Introverts will tend to have fewer but deeper friendships, where extroverts tend to have more but less deep friendships.
There's quite a bit of evidence that the introversion/extroversion differences are neurologically based.
Perhaps the best takeaway of the introvert/extrovert discussion is that the differences are innate and it doesn't make sense to make an extrovert out of an introvert.
Ulrich I don't know how I would be classified...I work well with people however prefer alone time or time with close friends and family over social gatherings. The internet is a great medium for sharing interest and for exchange of information regardless of your personality type.
I don't know how I would be classified...I work well with people however prefer alone time or time with close friends and family over social gatherings. The internet is a great medium for sharing interest and for exchange of information regardless of your personality type.
Hopefully most if not all of us can agree on that.
edblysard But in reality, some of us introverts have learned to be extroverts when it suits our purpose or needs.
But in reality, some of us introverts have learned to be extroverts when it suits our purpose or needs.
-Norris, the salesman, of all things I do most of my problem solving when I drive.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
Was not trying to put you on the spot at all...
("Take my wife, please")
Mookie has the answer though...both.
What I was trying to bring out is that it is easy to classify people based on casual observation, like what you see on a forum.
But in reality, some of us intorverts have learned to be extroverts when it suits our purpose or needs.
As was pointed out in another response, we here tend to pigon hole people, we love to box everything up and have a place for them in our own "ordered world" because that helps us releate to those folks.
But when they step out of the persona we have assigned them, it freaks us out because it is an unexpected action.
But my "ordered world" might be vastly different from yours!
I would suspect most intorverts use their "personal time" in the same manner I do...it is really my problem solving time, the detail work and seemingly obsessive attention to small details is actualy a way to filter out distractions so we can approach problems from several directions.
Having met Mookie, and her extrovert Driver, Carl and his extrovert Pat, Mudchicken and his Pat, (who is like me, both ex and introvert at the same time) and a few other forum members, my conclusion is that we tend to pair up, the old opposites attract thing, because it is easier for us to allow the extrovert half to run things at times so we can concentrate on our hobbies/passions/interest.
If you ever get to meet my extrovert, you will understand.
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Mookie Murphy Siding edblysard Ok Murphy, Then a little test/opinion poll. Would you consider me an introvert? ............... ...................So, based on what you do know about me, what would you consider me to be, an extrover or an introvert? And no, I will take no insult from what ever opinion you or others may have formed, this is simply a way to measure other peoples idea of the two personalities mentioned. Oofda! Where's the Rodney Dangerfield icon? The one with a bright red face, bulging eyes, a collar that is too tight, and sweating like a bullet. Let me back up a bit and clarify something. I'm not trying to pass any kind of judgement about extroverts/introverts. It was my observation, that introverts, like me, are attracted to forums like this, because we're more comfortable with it. That's not to say, that all people who enjoy and use this forums are introverts. That being said, I don't know that I could or would want to *classify* someone, based on their interaction on the forum. (How's that for a wimpy non- answer?) You seem to pocess the best attributes of both. Psst - Murphy - he's both. So is Carl. They are both basically introverts that have had to adjust to being extroverts, at times, as adults. Won't add more than that, but there are at least 3 of us on the forum. And I suspect that a true introvert or extrovert is a fairly rare animal.
Murphy Siding edblysard Ok Murphy, Then a little test/opinion poll. Would you consider me an introvert? ............... ...................So, based on what you do know about me, what would you consider me to be, an extrover or an introvert? And no, I will take no insult from what ever opinion you or others may have formed, this is simply a way to measure other peoples idea of the two personalities mentioned. Oofda! Where's the Rodney Dangerfield icon? The one with a bright red face, bulging eyes, a collar that is too tight, and sweating like a bullet. Let me back up a bit and clarify something. I'm not trying to pass any kind of judgement about extroverts/introverts. It was my observation, that introverts, like me, are attracted to forums like this, because we're more comfortable with it. That's not to say, that all people who enjoy and use this forums are introverts. That being said, I don't know that I could or would want to *classify* someone, based on their interaction on the forum. (How's that for a wimpy non- answer?) You seem to pocess the best attributes of both.
edblysard Ok Murphy, Then a little test/opinion poll. Would you consider me an introvert? ............... ...................So, based on what you do know about me, what would you consider me to be, an extrover or an introvert? And no, I will take no insult from what ever opinion you or others may have formed, this is simply a way to measure other peoples idea of the two personalities mentioned.
Ok Murphy,
Then a little test/opinion poll.
Would you consider me an introvert? ...............
...................So, based on what you do know about me, what would you consider me to be, an extrover or an introvert?
And no, I will take no insult from what ever opinion you or others may have formed, this is simply a way to measure other peoples idea of the two personalities mentioned.
Let me back up a bit and clarify something. I'm not trying to pass any kind of judgement about extroverts/introverts. It was my observation, that introverts, like me, are attracted to forums like this, because we're more comfortable with it. That's not to say, that all people who enjoy and use this forums are introverts.
That being said, I don't know that I could or would want to *classify* someone, based on their interaction on the forum. (How's that for a wimpy non- answer?) You seem to pocess the best attributes of both.
henry6 Often those in the entertainment industry are quite introverted but they become extroverted with public performances which covers up thier persona. Comedians and disk jockies...er...radio personalities..
Believe a good example of the above would be former comedian and personality, Johnny Carson. And he was one of the best at what he did professonally.
Quentin
Bucyrus Somebody once said that people who need people are the luckiest people in the world. That sounds like something an extrovert would say.
OR a song writer. OR Barbra Striesand!
I agree with the general premise that it is harder to classify personality by types than is sometimes assumed. I would say that this is also true with the classic introvert/extrovert labels, yet this is the one that most people apply to each other with great confidence. However, this particular classification does come with just a tinge of stigmatization.
I have noticed that people who are thought to be extroverts generally believe that they are “normal” and introversion is an affliction or dysfunction. But of course introverts can see that extroverts naturally come to this flawed conclusion just because they are extroverts. Somebody once said that people who need people are the luckiest people in the world. That sounds like something an extrovert would say. Enjoying being around people is fine, but somebody has got to be able to get inside and do the deep thinking.
It should be noted that many introverts don't realize how extroverted they really may be. Often those in the entertainment industry are quite introverted but they become extroverted with public performances which covers up thier persona. Comedians and disk jockies...er...radio personalities..., are the first to come to mind, but so do actors, singers and musicians, and dancers.
Mookie [clip] . . . basically introverts that have had to adjust to being extroverts, at times, . . . . And I suspect that a true introvert or extrovert is a fairly rare animal.
. . . Kind of like one of my cats, methinks.
- Paul.
aricat I resent anyone who assumes that there is something bizarre about liking trains or a solitary hobby.
I agree.....Not sure just why some seem to resort to indicating railroad activity interests, are weird, etc....As for doing this activity alone, sometimes it just seems to work that way as not every friend happends to have this interest. And being alone at times, really does give the individual his opportunity to really hone in and concentrate and extract all the interests from the hobby, without distractions....
Train watching can often times become a solitary hobby. My kids were taken trackside but did not become railfans. My one son is an excellent photogragher but has no interest in trains as a subject. Sometimes I will have my grandson tag along; he has a real interest in trains right now.Many times, however, I go alone. I do not consider this bad or introverted. Once a few years ago I drove from Pittsburgh to Horse Shoe Curve alone and had a wonderful time while my wife went to an Amish show. While there I did meet other railfans and talked railroading. I resent anyone who assumes that there is something bizarre about liking trains or a solitary hobby.
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