Boy stops train with van, takes pictures of emergency stop

[adrianspeeder]

I could go out and do burnouts and other stupid stuff right now, but i don't. Not sure why, but i guess i possibly have values or something...hummmm, burnouts do sound like they would be a lot of fun right now.... I'll be back later

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

Per Foghorn Leghorn------Uh, that's a joke, son!

[Anonymous]

Quote: "I can honestly say I don't remember that phase, I don't think i ever went through that- Mind you if you had a look at me you'd say- No, I bet he didn't go through that phase!

Yeah, right.....Anybody who makes that kind of statement is going through the phase right now![:D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][swg]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

I know, I know...I remember being bullet proof at 16.
Lucky for me I never had to try it out for real!
Ed

I can honestly say I don't remember that phase, I don't think i ever went through that- Mind you if you had a look at me you'd say- No, I bet he didn't go through that phase!

[edblysard]

I know, I know...I remember being bullet proof at 16.
Lucky for me I never had to try it out for real!
Ed

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Here is the funny part, had they just approached any railroad offical, on just about any railroad with the request, they would have been buried under the safety/training videos, for free,and directed to a Operation Lifesaver person, who would have been more that happy to come to their school and do a presentation...

Duh!

Ed

But.... Where's the fun in that?[}:)]

I know, I know. Couldn't resist it, though. [:D]

[edblysard]

Here is the funny part, had they just approached any railroad offical, on just about any railroad with the request, they would have been buried under the safety/training videos, for free,and directed to a Operation Lifesaver person, who would have been more that happy to come to their school and do a presentation...

Duh!

Ed

[UPTRAIN]

Any kid of mine that would do that is in for a good A$$ whipin'.......how big a boy are ye'?

[Anonymous]

I am soo angry. As a former driver I have been placed in situations like these. (Semi trailers) Some of you drivers may understand me perfectly when I chose to "crease em" rather than spill cargo all over the road.

[Anonymous]

Got one of each--you guys speak the truth. I need a Sherpa to help get through my 16 year old daughter's room, and needed another one before my 19 year old son went off to college--he was a Teen Court judge (JP court) when he was in HS, by the way, and boy did he see some real adolescent and parental acts of stupidity.

And there is definitely some shared responsibility here, although it's quite feasible the parents got fed a line of bull before the incident. The kids can get real stupid (in the guise of being sooooooo smart) even in spite of the fact that the parents raised them right.

But, hey, back to the subject at hand--here's a question for you, if anyone knows: just what exactly was the assignment for this "safety project" for health class, anyway??? There may be more harebrain here than meets the eye.........[D)]

I hope they got an F from that end.

Dougal and Doggy, if you're reading this, (and I'm singling you out just because I've seen your posts and know you have an interest in all things RR, and not for any other reason) both of you seem to be first class teens that stay out of trouble. There are likely a bunch more just like you out there reading this forum. Take this incident as a lesson in life. Sometimes the impulse to do something offbeat that seems on the surface to be good and useful (e.g., making a "safety film" about a train going into emergency) can be really strong--even adults get this bug sometimes. When it hits, and it will because it hits all of us at one time or another, sit back and THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THE RESULTS before you ever do anything. Play it around in your mind. Work all the angles. Ask yourself, would you do this if your parents, teacher, etc., were standing there with you. Then ask, what could go wrong if I went ahead and did it. And don't do it unless all the answers come up right. I'm sure your parents probably told you the same thing. As my son would have said when he was the Judge and attorney in Teen Court, there's no defense for someone who's guilty of stupidity! Live smart and safe.

I'll get off my soapbox now[soapbox]

[Anonymous]

Ed.. Have you ever Tried Lying to thme and saying thats not Greese, it's a new Style-trend?

I do that all the time! It fails a rather good portion of those times.. but what the hell, it was worth a shot and it costs nothing to try

Oh Ed, trust me, We have every drug available on every colour market located in our Drub bag, which has now turned into something Garagntious, theres enough Cough mixture to keep india from Caughing, and theres enough Codene to knock a heard of elephants out until the apocolypse strikes. Now if it were up to me, i'd flu***he old drugs down the john so fast, the sptic tank would be called the sterile tank, but No. i'm not allowed. Old drugs are still good after the expiry date.. (good to kill if you ask me) My laundry is stricktly prohibited from the Washroom aswell, i'll get busted up if anyhting that belongs to me is found., however, there msut be a collection of 570 pairs of HER underware in the washroom, all which you need a magnifying glass to pick up, and some reason, there is always a need to buy more..

WTF, Are they freakin' disposable now?

(the F means Fudge kids)

And at 30 bucks a pop, you heard me, Thirty dollars for a 2 cent item, It kind of makes we want to do the screaming Ab-dabs right in the middle of the mall, because i know, for 30 bucks, someone is laughing somewhere at my Fiscally ineptness.

there are so many of her garments in the washroom, i have to play "kevin the train snow plow" and move them all out of my way.

I wish we had two washrooms, mine would be clean and clear and under control, and hers would be clutered up and pathetic looking.

I wonder how much of our personal lives i just revealed? Oh well.

Rememebr the Canadian saying "the only thing that will ever remain personal is your persoanlity, and thats about it"

[Anonymous]

I must say there names must been stupid and incredibly brain dead..there were so many things that could have happened if the engineer had tried to stop too
quickly.I know how long it proper takes to stop a freight train and the things that can wrong when not properly stopped.

David Brown

[edblysard]

Mookie,
Impressed beyond all expectations...
Kevin, I can use the bathroom, at least part of it, the toilet, the shower and the sink, I just can't stay in there any lenght of time, or touch/move anything.

Nor can I leave anything in there, or store anything in the cupboards or medicine chest.

I have to weave through the panty hose and bras hanging from every towel rod and shower curtain rod, and the back of the door, and there isnt a square inch on the drainboard and countertop that isnt covered with girl stuff, from make up to make up remover, nail polish, feminine needs, hairspray, face creams, hand creams, foot creams, cream remover, tooth whiteing stuff, deorderant, perfumes, three different types of shampoo and conditioners, fake nails and nail kits, four hair dryers, two curling irons, and several items that I have no idea what they are, but I am sure if I moved them, the world would end, (they even have a thing in there to grind the bottom of their feet, how gross it that?) one whole drawer of different kinds of hair brushes and combs, and thats just the left side of the sink....
The best way to find the toilet is to look for the stack of ladies magazines on the tank.

And because my job involves getting pretty grubby, I am not allowed to wear my dirty clothes into the batroom after work, I might get some of "that railroad junk" on their pantyhose, so I have to strip off in the bedroom, grab a towel, and make a dash for it.

It really isnt funny when a five year old starts to chew you out because you got grease on the white panty hose she wanted to wear to school...

Almost make me want to buy a dog, just so there is another guy in the house.

You think living with ME is rough sometimes?
Try it four times over.[%-)]

Easier to raise?
Sure, if you can get them to move to another state...
Ed

[Anonymous]

Then Ed, where do you go to the Bathroom?

Wait- nevermind.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

QUOTE: [i]

Women are much easier to raise, to teach, then men will ever be, they are more perceptive for longer periods of their life, and benefit much more from a school environment.

Ha ha ha haaaaaa....gotta take a breath......hahahahahahahahah.....

Sure they are, yeah, right, uh huh...

Got three of them, 5 through 17.
Easier to raise?
I havent seen the bathroom walls in years, and try going shopping, anywhere...for anything, without buying clothes.

Ed

Ed, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do - besides, she isn't impressing other females...it is all for you men! [^] And you ARE impressed aren't you? At least, that is what you always tell us! [:X]

[edblysard]

QUOTE: [i]

Women are much easier to raise, to teach, then men will ever be, they are more perceptive for longer periods of their life, and benefit much more from a school environment.

Ha ha ha haaaaaa....gotta take a breath......hahahahahahahahah.....

Sure they are, yeah, right, uh huh...

Got three of them, 5 through 17.
Easier to raise?
I havent seen the bathroom walls in years, and try going shopping, anywhere...for anything, without buying clothes.

Ed

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

[:(!] Any kid of mine who did this wouldn't drive again until he could buy his own car,insurance(which would be astronomical with something like this on his record)and all other related expenses.[:(!]

I think the anyone under 18-19 that has a car - should possibly buy it himself.
And pay the taxes and insurance. This requires a job, which also goes to keeping them occupied and off the streets. If Dad and Mom are going to provide transportation, it should be because the child has earned the privilege of having a car. Responsibility and good grades, good home life and decent friends. This of course, will require some work on the part of the parents. Therein lies the problem.

Mook

[espeefoamer]

[:(!] Any kid of mine who did this wouldn't drive again until he could buy his own car,insurance(which would be astronomical with something like this on his record)and all other related expenses.[:(!]

[tree68]

Thanks CSX!

Kev - I can't see women doing such a thing either. Of course, I don't see most men doing something like that, at least not on purpose. Boys and girls, on the other hand...

[Anonymous]

http://www.erstarnews.com/2004/April/13badboy.html

It appened in Elk River, MN 55330

I cannot find any other follow-ups

[Anonymous]

I THINK THAT THEY WATCH TO MUCH FEAR FACTOR, AS A ENGINEER I WOULD NOT PUT MY TRAIN IN A E.B.A. BECAUSE HAZ MAT DOES MORE DAMAGE AND THIER PARENTS DONT HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY TO BAIL THEM OUT. MY UNCLE TOLD ME A STORY A BOUT A MAN ON A SUB THAT NEEDED MEDICAL TREATMENT BUT THE CAPTAIN COULDNT RISK THE REST OF THE MEN ON THE SUB AND THE MAN DIED. READ BETWEEN THE LINES....

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Goes to prove my point even further - Girls are fundamentaly different than Boys, and i'm not just talking about Breasts- I'm talking mentality. Boys have a nack for getting into trouble more often then women, and women aren't as big a risk takers.
<SNIP>

Alas, as any parent who has had a daughter start driving lately can probably tell you, the girls are catching up to the boys as risk takers, as well as many other areas. And girls are just as likely to suffer from the group mentality syndrome. I've seen it. Equal opportunity doesn't just apply to the workplace... Used to be it wasn't lady-like to pull the stunts the boys did. Now they don't care.

I have no trouble picturing a van full of girls stopping on a RR crossing, then tearing off in a fit of giggles as the engineer looks to change his shorts.

My point exactly! But my bottom line was if you work with them at an early age - by the time they are 16 or 17 - you will have a better chance of them not doing something really stupid, than if you just treat them as, well you know.

Mook

I don't know Larry, i jsut can't picture women doing this kind of thing. Howveer, Group mentality doesn't solely affect men it affects women aswell, But I think i'm repeating myself now.

If anyone really wants to work with their children the golden years are 3, 4 and 5. That is the age where they are the most perceptive and will learn;

How to socialize

How to society functions

Taboos, and things that are not appropriate.

Those three years are when a child is the most receptive of all of them.

However, however, however.

Id is powerful, And it unbalanced Can reign. Raising Girls and Raising Guys are very different. I sometimes wonder what it would of been like having a brother- the competion, it's like 2 males bucking their head, would there be fights? I doubt it, I don't resolve any of my issues using violent actions. But thats jsut me-

i know what it's like to live with a girl- Shes you know- a girl. Nothing as hard as expected, I jsut have to haul out my bomb shelter once a month, but thats about it. Once you get used to the fact everyhting is my fault, it's simple simple stuff.

Women are much easier to raise, to teach, then men will ever be, they are more perceptive for longer periods of their life, and benefit much more from a school environment.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Goes to prove my point even further - Girls are fundamentaly different than Boys, and i'm not just talking about Breasts- I'm talking mentality. Boys have a nack for getting into trouble more often then women, and women aren't as big a risk takers.
<SNIP>

Alas, as any parent who has had a daughter start driving lately can probably tell you, the girls are catching up to the boys as risk takers, as well as many other areas. And girls are just as likely to suffer from the group mentality syndrome. I've seen it. Equal opportunity doesn't just apply to the workplace... Used to be it wasn't lady-like to pull the stunts the boys did. Now they don't care.

I have no trouble picturing a van full of girls stopping on a RR crossing, then tearing off in a fit of giggles as the engineer looks to change his shorts.

My point exactly! But my bottom line was if you work with them at an early age - by the time they are 16 or 17 - you will have a better chance of them not doing something really stupid, than if you just treat them as, well you know.

Mook

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

Goes to prove my point even further - Girls are fundamentaly different than Boys, and i'm not just talking about Breasts- I'm talking mentality. Boys have a nack for getting into trouble more often then women, and women aren't as big a risk takers.
<SNIP>

Alas, as any parent who has had a daughter start driving lately can probably tell you, the girls are catching up to the boys as risk takers, as well as many other areas. And girls are just as likely to suffer from the group mentality syndrome. I've seen it. Equal opportunity doesn't just apply to the workplace... Used to be it wasn't lady-like to pull the stunts the boys did. Now they don't care.

I have no trouble picturing a van full of girls stopping on a RR crossing, then tearing off in a fit of giggles as the engineer looks to change his shorts.

[Roadtrp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman


Goes to prove my point even further - Girls are fundemantely different then Boys, and i'm not jsut talking about Breasts- I'm talking mentality. boys have a nack for getting into trouble more often then women, And women aren't as big a risk takers.

I don't want to sound sexist- But only a boy.guy/male could have thpught about parking his car on the tracks!

Yes, guys are fundamentally different from girls. And Kevin is right -- if you rule with an iron hand you aren't keeping your kid from doing anything. You are just making him hide it from you. I went as far as recording the mileage on the car before my son went out and then recording it when he got back. If the miles were more than I thought they should have been based on where he was going, I gave him hell. You wanna know something? I was WRONG!

Our daughter was seven years younger, and as most people do I had mellowed with age a bit. Now girls ARE definitely different, so the task was much easier with her. But I TRUSTED her. I didn't constantly check on where she was going. If she was back when she said she would be back and was in good shape, I didn't need to know where she spent every single minute. I trusted her, and in return she respected me.

I think I must have done something right. Her High School GPA was 3.999. Her college GPA after two years is 4.0. She has never tried alcohol, drugs or tobacco. She has truly never given me heartache in the 20 years she has been on this earth. Part of it is the fact that she is a girl. Part of it comes from her having a very different personality from my son. And I truly think part of it is due to the fact that I was LESS strict with her than I was with my son.

I am firmly convinced that you should treat your kids like YOU would like to be treated. [:)][:)]

[edbenton]

Those kids have to be as dumb as a box of rocks to pull a stunt like that. I never have been behind the controls of a locomotive but I have had i happen to me when I drove truck over the road. The favorite trick they like to pull is dive across 3 lanes to make thier exit. Wonder if they learned their driving habits from watching their parents after seeing them do it to a truck. [soapbox]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

QUOTE: Originally posted by Roadtrp

I wonder how many of the people here blaming the parents have teenaged children (or had them) themselves? Anyone who thinks you can control everything a 16 or 17 year old does is either incredibly naive or runs their family like Saddam ran Iraq.

Edited to add...

Hello all. This is my first post on this forum, though many of you probably know me from the MR forum.

-Jerry

I raised a daughter - alone - she is all grown and has a family of her own. I didn't expect to know where or what 24/7 - but by golly I made it my business to know a good share of that 24/7. It is called paying attention and listening.

Mook

Goes to prove my point even further - Girls are fundemantely different then Boys, and i'm not jsut talking about Breasts- I'm talking mentality. boys have a nack for getting into trouble more often then women, And women aren't as big a risk takers.

I don't want to sound sexist- But only a boy.guy/male could have thpught about parking his car on the tracks!

Find a woman that does that, and i'll give you 5 bucks..*

Theres a famous Socio-pshycologist ( i still can't spell that word in English!!!) I can't rememebr his name, but names are irrelavent. He came up witha now famous "Group mentality" theory.

Any child, will behave differantely with a group of people, almost to the point where you won't Recognize your children, now believe it or not Women are actually more vunerable at this level- many of them will practicly go along with anyhting jsut so they can save-face.

But Get a group of men together, the Iq level plumits fater then Nortel stcoks- straight through the floor, It turns into a daring game quite often when we so who will stoop lower then the other.

Now believe it or not parents, your children are holding deep dark secrets, that you will enevr find out about, and that they will bring them to the grave, or tell anyone else but you.

Ever see the movie with steve martin And Queen lateefa, can't remeber the title now- But the parental messages hit close to home-

it is not Stictly defined in your parental book to be solely the parents of this child. Rememebr, not only should you be a parent, you must remain your shilds BEST Friend, someone they can turn too if they fudge up and they need to talk to someone-

If they are slightese bit worried you may casr Judgement or even punish- theres not an ice cubes chnce in Jamaica your going to hear what is happening in your Childs life, and you will always be distant, or KEPT AT a distance in many apsects.

Now thats easy to deny that, people who deny that DONT ACTUALLY realize this very thing is happening right in front of their nose, plus your denying it because you Don';t know what your child is holding back.

But i got Sidetracked, Next theory, Freud came up with a very clear concept- Ego, Superego and Id.
Ex:
Ego: that candybar looks good but i don't have the money.
Super Ego: It's wrong to steal the candybar, so it'll have to wait
Id: That candybar is mine Right now, come hell or high water, i'm having it.

Now women have quite a good balance between Id, Ego, and Superego (commonly referred to as concience) But men often tend to be overuled by their Id, and there Super Ego is powerless to stop the momentuom of Id.

I coudl write another 87 pages on this topic, but i'll leave it be and see what responses i haul in.
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*that does not mean, in a last ditch effort to get 5 bucks of me, that you get your wife/significant other on the forum and post that she would stop her van on the tracks.

[edblysard]

I am going to run with Larry on one this, after they have their drivers license, they pretty much are free to decide where they go and what they do when they get there.
All parents can do is hope what they taught their kids early in life sticks.

But Mookie was right on too, as parents, it is our job to keep tabs on them, who their friends are, and what they and their friends are doing.

My 17 year old dosnt hang out at the mall, or cruise with her boyfriend.

She has a set time to be back from dates, and if she aint home by then, she dosnt go out with that yong man again.

No stricter that the rules my parents had for my sisters.

But not any less strict, either.

She is well aware that what she does, in certain circumstances, is my responsibility, and well aware of the concequences of breaking the rules.

Before she goes out with anyone, boy or girl, I meet that kid, and in the case of boys, his parents.
Depending on the parents attitude, the boy can take her out on a date, and depending on that attitude, said date may happen in my livingroom a few times.

From a legal standpoint, depending on what state you live in, the age of emancipation can range from 18 to 21.

Most states allow children to get drivers licenses as early as 16, which means mom and pop (or their insurance company)can be held legally responsible for any damage their child does or causes with the automobile up to the age of emancipation.

And, depending on which state you live in, whoever owns the automobile can also be held partialy liable.

Most courts will, in certain instances, will make a ruleing on wether the children should be tried as adults, and in those instances, the kids are pretty much on their own.

Thats one of the perils of parenthood, at some point, you have to trust them enought and hope they listened and learned from you, but you still have to turn them loose, and hope for the best.
If they screw up, you have to pay for it, until they become legally an adult.

All thats said, I am with Larry, hope they still have their bike, because when, or if I let them out of the house again, un-supervised, before they turn 21, its either pedal, or use the mares shank...

Most of what happens to these boys will depend on how much damage was really caused, and what the railroad wants to do.
They could be charged with a host of crimes, ranging from interferring with interstate commerce, to tresspassing and reckless endangerment.
But I would bet the railroad would not want the bad PR, so most likely will either not press charges, or ask a JV Court judge to make the boys do community service.

If it was my railroad, and I could chose their punishment, I would make them attend a Opperation Lifesaver program, then ride with the local police, on traffic patrol, take em to a few highway accidents and grade crossing accidents, and let them see first hand what really happens.

We dont have all the info on what really happened, and why these young men did what they did.
I hope they were just dumb, and didnt realize how dangerous this was.
If they did know, they should face the stiffest punishment the courts can hand out.
If they didnt know, now is the time to teach them, before they find out the hard way.

Ed

[tree68]

I did a little looking around on the web yesterday to see if I could find any more info on the story (ie, local newspaper, etc). I discovered that there are several Elk Rivers around the country. Where did this incident occur? Is there any more to know? Has the boys' reason for their actions come out at all? I know it was apparently for a safety report, but did they really plan to have the train go into emergency?

We've already discussed our feelings on their actions, so no need to reha***hem. I'm just curious what's happened/been discovered since the initial accident, reported as April 6th.