Weekend Mookie Musings

[Anonymous]

Thank you for telling us about your railfanning weekend

[oubliette]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

In regards to the fuel, are they required to shut the engine off when re-filling like us car drivers, or do they just leave it going and top off?

Also, I always hear about the engines idling for long periods of time, even overnight.

Do the railroads try and keep the engines going all the time, or do they shut them off and only leave them running in rare cases?

Thanks.

The engine can be left running whilst fueling and the tank has a valve which shuts of fuel delivery once it is full. Oil can be introduced whilst loco is running as the dipstick has a mark on it. The only slight problem is sometimes a loco will idle at speed to build the air back up, this will sometimes make the oil look lower on the dipstick due to the oil splashing around inside. Coolant can also be added when running but loco must be shut down for a coolant or oil change.

Leaving loco's running is a common practice especially during colder weather. If a train is due out on a train it may be left running to keep the air up. In the UK we had an instance where a loco was left running for 6 days over the Xmas period, the usual scenario, someone thought someone else knew about it. Eventually it ran out of fuel and also damaged the turbo because it froze solid after that.

Cheers

Rory

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...What is the priority problem of designing a cooling system for the prime mover that cold be filled with anti-freeze so the problem of whether to let idle, install automatic start equipement and or drain the system could be eliminated....Is there something besides price of the coolant...?

From what I've read, price is the largest part of it. When you measure capacity of the cooling system in gallons, and the locomotives in the 100's, it can add up in a hurry. There may be a point at which the price trade-off between fuel and anti-freeze reaches equilibrium, but it's probably a ways off...

[Modelcar]

...What is the priority problem of designing a cooling system for the prime mover that cold be filled with anti-freeze so the problem of whether to let idle, install automatic start equipement and or drain the system could be eliminated....Is there something besides price of the coolant...?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE:
Diesels are harder to start than your car's engine. Also, the stuff they put in the radiators includes coolant, but not antifreeze. So in cold weather, the engines have to be kept warm, usually done by running them. Lately, though, with the cost of fuel rising, some (probably most) railroads have installed systems to shut down the engines and start them automatically at a threshhold temperature (this applies only to units left idling, of course!).
At the fuel rack, no harm will come from a locomotive left running. But, in the interest of conservation, all but one unit in a line might be shut down, in good weather. For not-so-good winter weather, see above.

Thanks, CShaveRR

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

And as for you, Sis...

Congratulations on thinking of bringing the magazine(s) along, and holding Driver's interest (or piquing it) in that way. I could do that, but I'm pretty sure Driv-ee would ignore it/them and keep on knitting.

BC

Everytime he starts to read - I interrupt with a question, comment or holler. So in order to answer my questions a little, he had to "study" up on the material. Works great! But only when the female is the train person - guess the rest of you are stuck with knitting or nothing. Sad....but if she is there beside you - little hand holding between trains works! [:I]

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

You know I gotta get deputized - while we were watching trains Sat and Sun - I could have written tickets left and right from people going around the gates. And one for littering - an empty beer bottle!

Got Chickens and Snakes - need Deputy Dog!

Moo

Now, if we could figure out a way to put a "Stinger" between the tracks when the gates go down...

MC - that's why we wear hardhats when we do "Adopt-a-Highway" [banghead]

I think being in a tank would be more apropos!

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Well, then I could have at least bopped the moron that threw out the beer bottle!

Driver picked it up and threw it in trash!

I hope Driver at least finished it first.[:)]

Icky!!!!![xx(]

[Puckdropper]

New Semi cabs have "Optimized Idle" in them that does basically what CShaveRR describes. It's supposed to be able to idle all night (turning on and off) using only a gallon of gas.

[CShaveRR]

And as for you, Sis...

Congratulations on thinking of bringing the magazine(s) along, and holding Driver's interest (or piquing it) in that way. I could do that, but I'm pretty sure Driv-ee would ignore it/them and keep on knitting.

BC

[CShaveRR]

Diesels are harder to start than your car's engine. Also, the stuff they put in the radiators includes coolant, but not antifreeze. So in cold weather, the engines have to be kept warm, usually done by running them. Lately, though, with the cost of fuel rising, some (probably most) railroads have installed systems to shut down the engines and start them automatically at a threshhold temperature (this applies only to units left idling, of course!).

At the fuel rack, no harm will come from a locomotive left running. But, in the interest of conservation, all but one unit in a line might be shut down, in good weather. For not-so-good winter weather, see above.

[Anonymous]

In regards to the fuel, are they required to shut the engine off when re-filling like us car drivers, or do they just leave it going and top off?

Also, I always hear about the engines idling for long periods of time, even overnight.

Do the railroads try and keep the engines going all the time, or do they shut them off and only leave them running in rare cases?

Thanks.

[oubliette]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie
And a question - from the driver. Wants to know when you pull up to the diesel pumps in the yards - how long does a fill-up take? Is there more than one opening into the tank (looks to be about 2-3 to me) and do they have two tanks (one on each side and are they connected, or do they have to each be filled separately?

It is one large tank underslung the width of the locomotive. It can be fueled from both sides, so no matter which end comes onto fuel point there is access to a fuel valve. Usually also duplicated either side will be coolant fill and sump oil fill. It saves having to have fuel/oil pumps on both sides of the track on a fueling point.

Cheers

Rory

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Well, then I could have at least bopped the moron that threw out the beer bottle!

Driver picked it up and threw it in trash!

I hope Driver at least finished it first.[:)]

I hope not!!! driver get so nasty backwash or germs!![:0]
stay safe
joe

[corwinda]

QUOTE: Originally posted by erikthered

The only problem with getting deputized and writing tickets is that you have to chase the drivers down and get them to sign the ticket. On gated crossings most of the time we are sitting behind someone... for us to go after them would require us to chase after the offender right across the gated tracks, which is a big no no. (He who sins to catch the sinner is a greater sinner.)

Erik

I would think that about half the offenders would be coming across the track towards you.[;)]

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

You know I gotta get deputized - while we were watching trains Sat and Sun - I could have written tickets left and right from people going around the gates. And one for littering - an empty beer bottle!

Got Chickens and Snakes - need Deputy Dog!

Moo

Now, if we could figure out a way to put a "Stinger" between the tracks when the gates go down...

MC - that's why we wear hardhats when we do "Adopt-a-Highway" [banghead]

[mudchicken]

All this time, I thought the reason I wore a hardhat was so that I could throw it at the offender's windshield before he ran me over....

The Chinook (*) winds hit Saturday and had gusts from 70-90 mph here in Denver. Blew multiple semis on their sides and at least half of one double wide mobile home on wheels on I-70 on the west side Denver (Mobile Home = Trailer House = Tornado Bait)...Had an empty wheelbarrow in my back yard end up in the front yard after vaulting a 6 foot cedar fence.....all hands, Batten down the kittykats![:-^][:-^][:-^][:-^]

(*) Indian translation for "chinook" is snow eater

ps- did an accident survey for a tornado caused derailment at Waynoka, OK of a TOFC train in 1994 that flipped everything off the track but the engines and one or two piggyback flats. Quite a mess![:O][:O][:O][:O]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie

Well, then I could have at least bopped the moron that threw out the beer bottle!

Driver picked it up and threw it in trash!

I hope Driver at least finished it first.[:)]

[Mookie]

Well, then I could have at least bopped the moron that threw out the beer bottle!

Driver picked it up and threw it in trash!

[Anonymous]

The only problem with getting deputized and writing tickets is that you have to chase the drivers down and get them to sign the ticket. On gated crossings most of the time we are sitting behind someone... for us to go after them would require us to chase after the offender right across the gated tracks, which is a big no no. (He who sins to catch the sinner is a greater sinner.)

Erik

[Mookie]

You know I gotta get deputized - while we were watching trains Sat and Sun - I could have written tickets left and right from people going around the gates. And one for littering - an empty beer bottle!

Got Chickens and Snakes - need Deputy Dog!

Moo

[Mookie]

He was testing the track earlier - had his cohort in the little house watching him touch two rails. Kept waiting for one of them to light up, but they never did. He was alone and went out with just a shovel and came back with all those tools that were evidently left beside the tracks from an earlier visit. Wonder if they were under the snow?

No calls from the UNL PD - altho - one LPD did break a leg and a bone in his ankle chasing down a stolen car suspect! Got his man, too!

This weekend will be even worse - it will be Boy's State Basketball. As soon as your 100mph winds die down - I coming west to get out of town!

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie



Something for Mudchix - watched MOW walk down about 175-200 yards from crossing and come back with big set of ? wire cutters? and something that looked like a 1/2 bowling bag - with cable in it. Little leftovers from previous work....hmmmm?

He also shoveled a lot of mud off possibly a frog?

And a question - from the driver. Wants to know when you pull up to the diesel pumps in the yards - how long does a fill-up take? Is there more than one opening into the tank (looks to be about 2-3 to me) and do they have two tanks (one on each side and are they connected, or do they have to each be filled separately?

2nd question from driver - he is driving me nuts with this - "how much wood can a wood chuck chuck?"

(1) sounds like a signalman running around with a pair of track shunts and a lineman's tool bag full of tools and wire[shunts generally are two vise-grip pliers with a cable connected to each]...Signalman out testing or troubleshooting a problem. Sounds like he shoveled mud around an insulated joint near a frog because water had shorted the system and the dispatcher was getting a "track light indication" where it should have been off (no train) keeping him from throwing a power switch or lining up trains...signalman probably cussing out the mud and the roadmaster and a whiny dispatcher....

(2)fill-up of a 3000 gallon tank on a locomotive takes 10-20 minutes dependent on line pressure and how much fuel in the tank...Fueling system & fuel nozzle made by Snyder National Co. near Springfield MO....1 opening each side plus a vent/overflow valve & tube for one 3000 to 4000 gallon tank.

(3) I dunno...go ask the woodchuck yerself! [:D](methinks driver was looking at CP's great piles of cut green timber in the magazine)

How many dummies did UNL cite for bypassing the gates at 17th & Holdrege this weekend?

dirty bird[banghead][banghead][banghead]

[Mookie]

Facts as I see them:

Spent 2 days at trackside. BNSF knows when Mookie is around and stops all trains.

Did locomotive airing - nice windy day - so took out #7337 - SD40-2, #6882 SD40-2, # 7932 SD40-2 #9221 SD60M and some unknown Dash 9. Took short sight-seeing trip altogether and then back into the yards. Out tantalizing the Mook!

SW10 and SW15 - paired to push some freight cars around.

2 CN's pulling a Herzog Gravel/Rock train - going south out of Lincoln. Nice change.

Saw #5615 and #5669 - new GE AC's sandwiching a UP #7161. Another nice change!

Something for Mudchix - watched MOW walk down about 175-200 yards from crossing and come back with big set of ? wire cutters? and something that looked like a 1/2 bowling bag - with cable in it. Little leftovers from previous work....hmmmm?

He also shoveled a lot of mud off possibly a frog?

And a question - from the driver. Wants to know when you pull up to the diesel pumps in the yards - how long does a fill-up take? Is there more than one opening into the tank (looks to be about 2-3 to me) and do they have two tanks (one on each side and are they connected, or do they have to each be filled separately?

2nd question from driver - he is driving me nuts with this - "how much wood can a wood chuck chuck?"

Lest you think he is a little weird, let me confirm it - he sat and read my trains magazine and told me all about the articles in it while I watched the few trains go by. I know a little more about grades and haven't even started reading the magazine!

Enough for now - going to try to read latest Trains mag and have some more questions later this week.

Moo