chicagorails wrote: have any graffitti artists become poplar or known artists and paint things other than rr cars like murrals? may be a michaelangelo out there?
have any graffitti artists become poplar or known artists and paint things other than rr cars like murrals? may be a michaelangelo out there?
Sort of.... Many artists are now in art museums and have recieved many awards for their artwork. Some artists have had their own shoe or other type of clothing produced with their name and style. Sorry....The only way for a graffiti artist to work their way up to this type of fame is years of painting freights and becoming well known for it. Its because of the trains and the places they travel in the USA that gets an artist famous. Ive never heard of any graffiti artist becoming famous without paintin trains or wall/buildings for years and years. An artist that uses spray paint legally is just refered to as a aerosal paint artist which is different than a graffiti artist ......and quite frankly is disregarded and hated by real graffiti artists.
....It's not necessarily important "how" I look at it....Bottom line: It's breaking the law.
So is spying on the American people without a warrant.... but apparently you can get away with that too in this country.
Flashwave wrote: chicagorails wrote:HERE IN ROCHELLE,IL SEEMS THE WHITE REEFERS ARE THE PAINTERS FAVORITE TO SPRAY THEIR NAMES ON....Proably since white is nutral and easier than say the black tank car and flatter than the grey hoppers.
chicagorails wrote:HERE IN ROCHELLE,IL SEEMS THE WHITE REEFERS ARE THE PAINTERS FAVORITE TO SPRAY THEIR NAMES ON....
Proably since white is nutral and easier than say the black tank car and flatter than the grey hoppers.
Its not because its white, its because its the flattest and one of the bigger freight cars. Plus.....getting to them is as easy as walkin down the street.
-Morgan
narig02 wrote:Yes graffitti can be good art work. But it is still being done to property that does not belong to the painter.
Dan
comment. Yes graffitti can be good art work. But it is still being done to property that does not belong to the painter.
L A Junction has gotten to the point with graffitt on signs that they grease down there signs(Trains Mag Article).
Rgds IGN
I would love to see this car in L.A. yard for one day.
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=13418
What would be the after shot?
Convicted One wrote: Every once in a while, you see something truly remarkable
Every once in a while, you see something truly remarkable
Amen. WOW! And they put the numbers back on.
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=39544
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=39541
I wonder how munch it cost to clean this cars?
Ted Marshall wrote: al-in-chgo wrote: For obvious reasons, I wouldn't want to post it, but mixed in with the "art deco" or "R. Crumb" type of lettering I have seen the male organ a couple of times (partially hidden, masquerading as exclamation points and L's and I's). roflmfao Al, did it jump out at you visually or did you have to look for it in order to notice it? Seriously... Sorry...I can't help myself
al-in-chgo wrote: For obvious reasons, I wouldn't want to post it, but mixed in with the "art deco" or "R. Crumb" type of lettering I have seen the male organ a couple of times (partially hidden, masquerading as exclamation points and L's and I's).
For obvious reasons, I wouldn't want to post it, but mixed in with the "art deco" or "R. Crumb" type of lettering I have seen the male organ a couple of times (partially hidden, masquerading as exclamation points and L's and I's).
roflmfao Al, did it jump out at you visually or did you have to look for it in order to notice it?
Seriously...
Sorry...I can't help myself
In all honesty, I was shocked but not appalled. The first time it happened I had just taken a film picture of a boxcar whose lower part was covered by graffiti. The "Oh, My Gosh" reaction came as I took the camera away from my face and saw the, uh, you know, heading north. This just buttresses the outlook that overconcentration can be a bad thing. I would say that because of that and other goodies, most of which are not obscene, I try to look for the literal message first and then, if possible, scan the entire graffito for anything out of place. Have also seen a painting of a nude woman on the side of a boxcar but she was unmistakable.
Sorry... I can't help myself...
Ted M.
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Ishmael wrote: In the FWIW department, I was coming through Kirkwood about an hour ago, and the UP signals indicated that there would be some traffic in each direction. I parked and waited at the station, and was treated to the sight of a mixed freight in each direction, one of which was pulled by NS locomotives.Now to the topic: I noted that among about 60 boxcars between the two trains, every one had graffiti on it, a few almost covered. Of the covered hoppers, again about 60, only a few were painted. Gondolas, flatcars, and tankers had minimal markings. There were a few auto racks and all of them were marked.A few of the boxcars had MoPac Screaming Eagles and MP reporting marks and a few had C&NW heralds and reporting marks, so you know they haven't been painted lately.This is not a proper scientific survey, but does anyone want to deduce why boxcars are the main targets?By the way, Modelcar, in addition to "Notary Sojac" in the Smokey Stover cartoon, there were also signs saying "Scramgravy ain't wavy."
In the FWIW department, I was coming through Kirkwood about an hour ago, and the UP signals indicated that there would be some traffic in each direction. I parked and waited at the station, and was treated to the sight of a mixed freight in each direction, one of which was pulled by NS locomotives.
Now to the topic: I noted that among about 60 boxcars between the two trains, every one had graffiti on it, a few almost covered. Of the covered hoppers, again about 60, only a few were painted. Gondolas, flatcars, and tankers had minimal markings. There were a few auto racks and all of them were marked.
A few of the boxcars had MoPac Screaming Eagles and MP reporting marks and a few had C&NW heralds and reporting marks, so you know they haven't been painted lately.
This is not a proper scientific survey, but does anyone want to deduce why boxcars are the main targets?
By the way, Modelcar, in addition to "Notary Sojac" in the Smokey Stover cartoon, there were also signs saying "Scramgravy ain't wavy."
Im gonna stay clear of the first post that brought this dead thread back from the grave and add a little insight.
Depending if its a reefer or a railbox most boxcars are flat(although ribbed sides could be complicating) and have no round side whatsoever, always at a 90 degree angle. Think of it this way, when an artists paints a canvas what does he usually paint on? A flat piece of paper which is straight up and down without any curvature. Same goes for painting with cans.When you are painting anything its usually prefered to have a flat surface in which to paint on.
So having said this that would eliminate tanks cars and many hoppers(not all but many out there have bulky rounded sides). Gondolas, if you have noticed get dented very often when being loaded with steel and other things which makes for a very rough side. Not only that but many gondolas get holes punched into them when loaded and over time rain produces rust streaks on the sides. If there was a "piece" on that side then the piece would get streaks. If the car was dented after the paint application then the piece would look distorted. I dont know why anyone would paint a flat car, theres no surface to paint on except a foot or 2 of steel. Now for the last one...the autorack. Its pretty much the tallest and longest freight car out there, that being said nothing else really needs to be answered about the autorack. It has a little "groovage" but its flat for the most part.
Just saying.
....That's great.....Still some who remember.
Quentin
.....Yes, Smoky Stover {and his 2-wheel fire engine}, were popular in the 30's and 40's in my area.
joegreen wrote: Active yard, storage yard, industrial areas. Thats where its done, no security, or atleast fat blind security guards. The difference between taggers and foamers is taggers are stealthy using the dead of night as an assist, railfans are standin out in plain site tryin to look like they're not a suspicious person. When a cop comes are you gonna run? no, your gonna try to explain your hobby and why your by the tracks with a camera. Taggers are outta site before the cops even realize there was someone there, and once the coast is clear theyre back to finish what they started.
Active yard, storage yard, industrial areas. Thats where its done, no security, or atleast fat blind security guards. The difference between taggers and foamers is taggers are stealthy using the dead of night as an assist, railfans are standin out in plain site tryin to look like they're not a suspicious person. When a cop comes are you gonna run? no, your gonna try to explain your hobby and why your by the tracks with a camera. Taggers are outta site before the cops even realize there was someone there, and once the coast is clear theyre back to finish what they started.
Speaking from experience... Right Joe?
Have fun with your trains
Awesome wrote: Check this Tag that took some time for the detais......http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=19034 Sometimes I wonder how long it takes to tag a car and the cost of the paint? I think it took them to do this one more 5 hours..
Check this Tag that took some time for the detais......
http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=19034
Sometimes I wonder how long it takes to tag a car and the cost of the paint? I think it took them to do this one more 5 hours..
Here's the funny part. He had the decency to tack the UP car info back on it the corner.
Guess ya dont get in trouble around here for plagiarizing and copyrights and what not on newspaper articles and such???? Oh well
When you see the whole car painted you might wonder 'how did they have the time"? I have seen some highway bridges and railway bridges where the "taggers" must have had to stand on their heads to do their 'work" not to mention be in plain view of traffic
CSX Regional Police Commander Larry Weigand said destruction by graffiti costs the company between $5 million and $7 million a year.The cost of repainting one 53-foot boxcar in CSX colors is about $3,083. Total damage done to the 32 boxcars is calculated at $101,735.04, police said in court records.
I wonder how many of those cars got repainted????
CSX Employee NewsWire wrote: Graffiti 'legend' arrested, police sayThe News Journal (Wilmington, DE)By Terri SanginitiApril 29, 2008Traveling into Delaware, visitors often see the bright block letters "EASY" on overpasses, fences and rail cars."You can't come through Delaware on I-95 if you're a graffiti writer," New Castle County police Detective LaVincent Harris said. "You immediately take notice, this is their turf. They're legends in Delaware."The "EASY" tag, as well as "Mr. Ease" and "FAST HANDS CREW," is the work of 19-year-old Derrick Noel, the No. 2 graffiti tagger in New Castle County, Harris said. Police calculate that Noel's tagging has amounted to more than $500,000 in damage. Police would not comment on who the top tagger is.Authorities describe Noel as "a talented kid" had he not been using his talents for vandalism.His canvas for the past four years -- since his prior graffiti arrest at age 16 -- has primarily been CSX railroad cars.Noel, of the 2500 block of Newport Gap Pike, was arrested Monday on 128 criminal counts of graffiti, criminal trespassing, possession of graffiti implements and other offenses. Thirty-two of the offenses are felonies, county police Cpl. Trinidad Navarro said.Noel is being held in the Young Correctional Institution after failing to post $128,000 secured bail.His arrest grew out of a traffic stop earlier this month, police said.County police Cpl. Mike Hopkins was on routine patrol about 6:30 p.m. in the rear parking area of the Eastburn Center on Kirkwood Highway when he spotted a parked car blocking the fire lane.When he approached, two men quickly got into the car, one trying to hide a baseball bat."They were not playing baseball," New Castle County police Superintendent Col. Rick Gregory said.The pair told the officer they had argued with someone and were using the bat as a potential weapon.Hopkins told them to put the bat in the car's trunk."When they opened the trunk, that's when he saw the multiple spray paint cans," Navarro said.Inside were 172 cans of spray paint, sketch books and a photo album containing 216 4-by-6-inch photos of railroad cars and a few bridges, tagged with "EASY" or some variation, court records show.Noel, one of the car's occupants, was charged with possession of graffiti implements, triggering a larger investigation.Over the next three weeks, county detectives reviewed the albums and shared the information with CSX and state and Elsmere police.On April 10, county police went to Noel's home near Prices Corner. They seized a computer, a camera, sketchbooks, photographs, more than 150 aerosol spray paint cans and baggies full of specialty spray caps, paintings with the tags "EASE," "EASY" and "EASYONE," 35 mm negatives, a skateboard decorated with graffiti, shopping lists and other evidence linking Noel to the vandalism, court records show.Of the 216 photographs seized, 32 were determined to be on CSX property dating to November 2005.CSX Regional Police Commander Larry Weigand said destruction by graffiti costs the company between $5 million and $7 million a year.The cost of repainting one 53-foot boxcar in CSX colors is about $3,083. Total damage done to the 32 boxcars is calculated at $101,735.04, police said in court records.Taggers use rail cars as their canvas because "they're proud of their work and it's a way to show their work across the country," Weigand said."Far and away, most of what we see is a tagger, not a gang symbol," Gregory said. "But the rail companies suffer a great loss, so do businesses and so do homeowners."Noel was arrested Oct. 28, 2004, by Delaware River and Bay Authority police on three counts each of criminal trespassing and graffiti and one count of resisting arrest for allegedly spray-painting a bridge on I-295, according to court records.At his Jan. 3, 2005, trial, he pleaded guilty to one count of graffiti. He was placed under community supervision for five months and was ordered to pay restitution of $800, court records show.Noel registered as a graphic design student at the Delaware College of Art and Design in the fall of 2006, but is not enrolled there now, said spokeswoman Michele Besso.Harris said Noel and his Fast Hands Crew design their tags in a sketchbook before tagging in the middle of the night.Taggers often take a picture of their work and put it on the Internet to get credit for it, Harris said.Noel's arrest will send a message to other taggers in the area, Harris said. "There's a penalty to pay other than someone giving you a high-five," he said.
Graffiti 'legend' arrested, police sayThe News Journal (Wilmington, DE)By Terri SanginitiApril 29, 2008Traveling into Delaware, visitors often see the bright block letters "EASY" on overpasses, fences and rail cars."You can't come through Delaware on I-95 if you're a graffiti writer," New Castle County police Detective LaVincent Harris said. "You immediately take notice, this is their turf. They're legends in Delaware."The "EASY" tag, as well as "Mr. Ease" and "FAST HANDS CREW," is the work of 19-year-old Derrick Noel, the No. 2 graffiti tagger in New Castle County, Harris said. Police calculate that Noel's tagging has amounted to more than $500,000 in damage. Police would not comment on who the top tagger is.Authorities describe Noel as "a talented kid" had he not been using his talents for vandalism.His canvas for the past four years -- since his prior graffiti arrest at age 16 -- has primarily been CSX railroad cars.Noel, of the 2500 block of Newport Gap Pike, was arrested Monday on 128 criminal counts of graffiti, criminal trespassing, possession of graffiti implements and other offenses. Thirty-two of the offenses are felonies, county police Cpl. Trinidad Navarro said.Noel is being held in the Young Correctional Institution after failing to post $128,000 secured bail.His arrest grew out of a traffic stop earlier this month, police said.County police Cpl. Mike Hopkins was on routine patrol about 6:30 p.m. in the rear parking area of the Eastburn Center on Kirkwood Highway when he spotted a parked car blocking the fire lane.When he approached, two men quickly got into the car, one trying to hide a baseball bat."They were not playing baseball," New Castle County police Superintendent Col. Rick Gregory said.The pair told the officer they had argued with someone and were using the bat as a potential weapon.Hopkins told them to put the bat in the car's trunk."When they opened the trunk, that's when he saw the multiple spray paint cans," Navarro said.Inside were 172 cans of spray paint, sketch books and a photo album containing 216 4-by-6-inch photos of railroad cars and a few bridges, tagged with "EASY" or some variation, court records show.Noel, one of the car's occupants, was charged with possession of graffiti implements, triggering a larger investigation.Over the next three weeks, county detectives reviewed the albums and shared the information with CSX and state and Elsmere police.On April 10, county police went to Noel's home near Prices Corner. They seized a computer, a camera, sketchbooks, photographs, more than 150 aerosol spray paint cans and baggies full of specialty spray caps, paintings with the tags "EASE," "EASY" and "EASYONE," 35 mm negatives, a skateboard decorated with graffiti, shopping lists and other evidence linking Noel to the vandalism, court records show.Of the 216 photographs seized, 32 were determined to be on CSX property dating to November 2005.CSX Regional Police Commander Larry Weigand said destruction by graffiti costs the company between $5 million and $7 million a year.The cost of repainting one 53-foot boxcar in CSX colors is about $3,083. Total damage done to the 32 boxcars is calculated at $101,735.04, police said in court records.Taggers use rail cars as their canvas because "they're proud of their work and it's a way to show their work across the country," Weigand said."Far and away, most of what we see is a tagger, not a gang symbol," Gregory said. "But the rail companies suffer a great loss, so do businesses and so do homeowners."Noel was arrested Oct. 28, 2004, by Delaware River and Bay Authority police on three counts each of criminal trespassing and graffiti and one count of resisting arrest for allegedly spray-painting a bridge on I-295, according to court records.At his Jan. 3, 2005, trial, he pleaded guilty to one count of graffiti. He was placed under community supervision for five months and was ordered to pay restitution of $800, court records show.Noel registered as a graphic design student at the Delaware College of Art and Design in the fall of 2006, but is not enrolled there now, said spokeswoman Michele Besso.Harris said Noel and his Fast Hands Crew design their tags in a sketchbook before tagging in the middle of the night.Taggers often take a picture of their work and put it on the Internet to get credit for it, Harris said.Noel's arrest will send a message to other taggers in the area, Harris said. "There's a penalty to pay other than someone giving you a high-five," he said.
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Dakguy201 wrote: Does anyone have any data regarding just where it is that the cars are painted? Some of the more elaborate jobs certainly took some time and equipment (ladders, considerable quantities of paint, etc.) to produce; they don't seem to be the product of a hit-and-run tagger. Is this occuring in railroad yards, on customer premises or where? Given the number of reports we read of encounters between railfan photographers and either the railroad police or the local ones, it seems a little strange that whole cars can get 'decorated", but they obviously do.
Does anyone have any data regarding just where it is that the cars are painted? Some of the more elaborate jobs certainly took some time and equipment (ladders, considerable quantities of paint, etc.) to produce; they don't seem to be the product of a hit-and-run tagger. Is this occuring in railroad yards, on customer premises or where?
Given the number of reports we read of encounters between railfan photographers and either the railroad police or the local ones, it seems a little strange that whole cars can get 'decorated", but they obviously do.
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Dakguy201 wrote: Does anyone have any data regarding just where it is that the cars are painted? Some of the more elaborate jobs certainly took some time and equipment (ladders, considerable quantities of paint, etc.) to produce; they don't seem to be the product of a hit-and-run tagger. Is this occuring in railroad yards, on customer premises ot where? Given the number of reports we read of encounters between railfan photographers and either the railroad police or the local ones, it seems a little strange that whole cars can get 'decorated", but they obviously do.
Does anyone have any data regarding just where it is that the cars are painted? Some of the more elaborate jobs certainly took some time and equipment (ladders, considerable quantities of paint, etc.) to produce; they don't seem to be the product of a hit-and-run tagger. Is this occuring in railroad yards, on customer premises ot where?
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