wyomingrailfan wrote:funny nowadays that any accident that happens is because of human error. I bet that it was the car that is to blame, and that the load, wait- I Bet that the crew didn't tie down the car enough.
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tree68 wrote:I also wonder about one passenger's report of "fire outside the cars." It was the only reference to a fire. People see the darnedest things.
I also wonder about one passenger's report of "fire outside the cars." It was the only reference to a fire. People see the darnedest things.
Must've hit his head really hard....
I have a lot of respect for the engineer of that train!
CShaveRR wrote: I just read an article stating that numerous violations of securement rules by CSX have been documented by FRA reports. Here's the link.http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=41181 MC is right, though--something will come out of the investigation, and everyone would be wise to wait and see.
I just read an article stating that numerous violations of securement rules by CSX have been documented by FRA reports. Here's the link.
http://www.utu.org/worksite/detail_news.cfm?ArticleID=41181
MC is right, though--something will come out of the investigation, and everyone would be wise to wait and see.
Carl
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hrbdizzle wrote:5 hours is plenty of time for a car to bleed off by itself. If the car was spotted at the wrong spot, bleed off and gained speed, heavy cars such as loaded lumber cars, have been known to ride right over derails onto the main line..
With the handbrake set?
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I can think of about two dozen scenarios and none of them is "no harm-no foul ...oops" in nature.
Agree with Tree that the "safety expert" probably is not. (They are all well coached on how to talk to / deal with the [clueless] press the right way and this does not sound right...)
I question the unnamed "rail safety expert." Said expert may have said that there should be chocks (and they may well have been required), but I got a call from the media after an incident here. The local emergency management boss put them on me because he knew I knew something about railroads and worked where it all started. In truth, I found out about the incident on the news like everyone else!
As for the dust - you shake something hard enough and you'll get dust out of it. No surprise there.
I'm going along with the idea that the car may have been being moved. "That's how we've always done it...."
....And the lumber company's derail (hop-toad/flopover) was set and was the right size?
Who bled the air off? pulled the chocks? (MANDATORY placement of chocks or skates on this spur is telling)
Also curious to see the outcome....at bare minimum, I see a split-point "alligator" derail coming to the lead of a certain lumber outfit.
Links to 2 articles - read both for all the details - and an aerial photo:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/03/26/freight_car_rams_commuter_train_injuring_150/
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1082906&srvc=home&position=also
http://www3.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO76078/
In brief: The track occupancy signal circuits apparently alerted the engineer of the commuter train in time to stop. The investigation into the placement of the car on the lumber co.'s siding about 5 hours earlier is continuing - handbrakes, chocks, etc.
Wonder why it sat there for 5 hours, and then decided to move - employee error ? (recall a Mud Chicken post a couple weeks ago about industries using front-end loaders to move cars often leading to runaways and heaps of wreckage, etc.) wind ? Will be interesting to find out.
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