The GPS is fine. The GIS and the moron mapper that programmed it are at fault. (along with the idiots that no-savvy what they are looking at)
Techno-lemmings!
I have Delorme GPS on my laptop. Charlotte, NC which is where I live, is growing and changing rapidly but the annual new version seems to keep it very up to date. It works great. Occasionally is is off by a few feet, but not often. It knows which roads are one way. It knows the locations of most restaurants, pharmacies, hotels, and gas stations.
I took it with me on a trip on Amtrak, and it got a lot of attention. Even the crew members kept stopping by to watch it. The conductor even asked me if we were really going 80 MPH as the GPS said.
It was even acurate on the rails. 90% of the time it showed us right on the displayed track. There were a few turns that were not as sharp as they were depicted on the screen.
Only an idiot would respond to a commanded turn without looking out the window.
Always remember: To err is human ... to really screw it up takes a computer........
Dave
Lackawanna Route of the Phoebe Snow
erikthered:
I have a nearly identical picture of that Southern E-8 in your avatar. I took mine myself. Did you ride the turntable while you were there?????? rofl
lol that was a good read! Truckers do that around my work too and cops hate/love it. They bring them into my work and have the trucks weighed on our scales because 9/10 times there on a street with restricted weight limits and get some real big fines. Not just from the weights and whatever they got pulled over for but the cops go over those rigs with a fine tooth comb and write them up for everything in the book
Also there are streets around here on GPS systems that arnt even there anymore or they are but are now dead ends lol somany people get them selfs turned around and lost following that crap. we get alot of lost truck drivers coming in here asking directions because there GPS got them lost and they cant find General Mill's around the corner lol
Here's a funny story of truckers in England following their GPS blindly:
NY Times story
Krazykat112079 wrote: Mr_Ash wrote:If this happened on the 9th then it was clear, maybe a light rain at most.. it wasnt snowing or anything on sundayIt was posted on the 9th, but the incident occured Friday afternoon.
Mr_Ash wrote:If this happened on the 9th then it was clear, maybe a light rain at most.. it wasnt snowing or anything on sunday
It was posted on the 9th, but the incident occured Friday afternoon.
No clue then I was off work friday and slept most of the day
tree68 wrote: Semper Vaporo wrote: It is not necessarily the GPS satelite radio receiver that is "off". Most of the maps have lots of errors in them. Most of the data was digitized manually from aerial photos and sometimes the person doing the digitizing from the photos can't tell what is a road and what is not and just "invents" streets by accident. Also, where your GPS map shows you "not on the road" is often because the road does some winding around and the digitization is just straight lines from one point on the photo to another one an inch or two away (on the photo) which could be several thousand feet. Also, the person picking the points sometimes wasn't very accurate as to how near to the road the digitization pointer is placed and literally misses the road. Throw in parallax errors and the maps can have great errors in them.Interestingly, my GPS has a feature called "snap to road".... It'll put the cursor on the road indicated on the screen. Sometimes it's more fun to "off road..."But, some people automatically trust the computer because they seem to think that the computer can never be wrong... I KNOW BETTER!Sign on my desk:Our policy is always to blame the computer!
Semper Vaporo wrote: It is not necessarily the GPS satelite radio receiver that is "off". Most of the maps have lots of errors in them. Most of the data was digitized manually from aerial photos and sometimes the person doing the digitizing from the photos can't tell what is a road and what is not and just "invents" streets by accident. Also, where your GPS map shows you "not on the road" is often because the road does some winding around and the digitization is just straight lines from one point on the photo to another one an inch or two away (on the photo) which could be several thousand feet. Also, the person picking the points sometimes wasn't very accurate as to how near to the road the digitization pointer is placed and literally misses the road. Throw in parallax errors and the maps can have great errors in them.
It is not necessarily the GPS satelite radio receiver that is "off". Most of the maps have lots of errors in them. Most of the data was digitized manually from aerial photos and sometimes the person doing the digitizing from the photos can't tell what is a road and what is not and just "invents" streets by accident. Also, where your GPS map shows you "not on the road" is often because the road does some winding around and the digitization is just straight lines from one point on the photo to another one an inch or two away (on the photo) which could be several thousand feet. Also, the person picking the points sometimes wasn't very accurate as to how near to the road the digitization pointer is placed and literally misses the road. Throw in parallax errors and the maps can have great errors in them.
But, some people automatically trust the computer because they seem to think that the computer can never be wrong... I KNOW BETTER!
Sign on my desk:
Our policy is always to blame the computer!
Yes, "you" can 'snap to the road', but the person that digitized the original data from an aerial photo was creating the data you are using and thus there was no 'snap to the road' cuz they were creating where you would snap to.
Also, yes, I learned a long time ago to always blame the computer. I used to help some folk from an adjacent department with their computers and one secretary's job was to enter data into a database. She would call me and complain that some piece of data she had entered was not there. I would go look and find that SHE had made a typo in a part number or date or something. One time I said; "You made a mistake when you entered this." She "bristled" (the best way of describing her demeanor) and said, "I DO NOT MAKE MISTAKES!"
I tried to argue that everybody makes typos sometimes. BAD IDEA! I was lectured that she does not make mistakes and what she typed must be right! I finally gave up and said that computers sometimes do not understand what we type in and stores the wrong data in the wrong place. She accepted that, and I learned that from then on, when she could not find what she knew was in there, that I should go find it, make the correction and blame the computer for the error. We got along fine after that!
My GPS mapping software has been quite usefull on trips. MANY times I have been stuck in a traffic jamb out in the middle of nowhere (from my viewpoint, i.e.: totally unfamiliar area) caused by an accident, construction or something. I pull off at the first exit I can (I have even turned around over the median to go back to the last exit) and re-route my trip on older U.S. and State highways and follow that. The GPS at least gives me a general idea of when/where to turn on the old roads. The Interstates generally follow the old major U.S. highways and those roads are still there. They might take me through a town or city, but at least I am moving and not sitting on a 4 lane parking lot. I zigzag along under or over the Interstate until I see that I am past the bottleneck, get back on and go merrily on my way.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
TimChgo9 wrote:MapQuest
MapQuest
I have issues using a mapping utility that seems outdated, because of the railroads it shows.
Chicago & Northwestern; Soo Line; Chicago, Central & Pacific; Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe; Burlington Northern...
Yet shows Norfolk Southern and CSX...
It seems that west of Chicago, the railroads are in a time warp. Heck, I never knew that the Southern Pacific ran through Springfield,IL and Bloomington, IL right up to the Joliet Arsenal...
I think the moral of this incident is: don't blindly trust technology.
My ex-wife-turned-girlfriend, or something like that, uses a GPS device since she is a home-care nurse. She has said that if she "drives ahead" of the GPS, it may give her instructions to make a turn in the wrong place. (Fortunately, she is savvy enough, that she pretty much knows her way around). Each night she maps out the next day's route, looking for errors, and mistakes. She has found several while driving. To rely on a GPS is foolish anyway. They are great tools, especially if you are traveling out of state, or in an unfamiliar area. However, after 41+ years here in the Chicago area, I can get around almost anywhere with little difficulty. If I need more information, there is always Google Earth, or MapQuest, to confirm an addresses location.
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The net result is that the routing program software "knows" of streets that do not exist and tells the driver to use them.
I went to visit my sister-in-law in Florida many years ago when one of the rent-a-car companies was offering the in-car mapping software in the Miami area. I had a new GPS mapping program for my laptop PC and had bragged to her about it. It worked well for me, but when I got there my sister-in-law had saved a newspaper article about an elderly couple that had rented a car and used the mapping software direct them to their ultimate destination. It directed them down a boat launch ramp into the Miami River and they had to be rescued from the car when they drove right into it! The man said he thought it was odd to have a "low water" bridge on such a large river. But he figured if it was dangereous to cross there, there would have been a sign saying so! (A low water bridge is a concrete paveing across some 4 or 6-inch clay tiles in a shallow creek in rural areas. They are usually safe to drive across even if some water is flowing over them as the creeks usually don't have more that a few inches in them, even after heavy rains.)
I had already learned that the maps might be full of errors because I had studied the map of the city I lived in and saw many errors.
I ALWAYS, "Walk the route" when I have the program plan a route; I zoom in enough to see details and follow the calculated route looking for possible problems and paying attention to street names near turns in the route. It has many times directed me to an intersection with a limited access highway where there are no entrance ramps. By Walking the Route before I start driving I can block some portion of the map and make the software try it again.
benburch wrote:The driver told police she was driving eastbound along Wing, when her Global Positioning Satellite unit told to make a right turn. She turned onto the train tracks
Why is that Nationwide commercial playing in my head where the guy's GPS tells him "Turn right", he turns and crashes into a store or something, the GPS says "in XX feet", and then the announcer comes on "Life comes at you fast"?
Kevin
http://chatanuga.org/RailPage.html
http://chatanuga.org/WLMR.html
CShaveRR wrote: erikthered wrote:Hmmm... I wonder where the cops got their numbers from... and why they weren't answered.Me, too! I've never had a problem when calling the grade-crossing number posted by every grade crossing we have. Did they know that it was UP's track, and not the adjacent Metra/ICE track?I'm curious about a couple of things: (a) the weather condition at the time of the incursion, and (b) the color of the driver's hair. (As father to a pair of intelligent blondes, I claim diplomatic immunity for that last one!)
erikthered wrote:Hmmm... I wonder where the cops got their numbers from... and why they weren't answered.
Me, too! I've never had a problem when calling the grade-crossing number posted by every grade crossing we have. Did they know that it was UP's track, and not the adjacent Metra/ICE track?
I'm curious about a couple of things: (a) the weather condition at the time of the incursion, and (b) the color of the driver's hair. (As father to a pair of intelligent blondes, I claim diplomatic immunity for that last one!)
The other tracks are between IL31 (State St) and the Fox River, couple hundred feet away. There is no crossing with those tracks there, since the road the lady was driving on (Wing Rd) comes to an end. I don't see how they would have the wrong number, since it would be right there on the gates or shed. Even if they called the wrong number, seems odd that they couldn't get a human being with which to speak.
The weather as I remember it on Friday afternoon wasn't anything particular. Overcast was all, so she should have been able to see the intersection just fine. Unless, in true Illinois fashion, the weather 15-20 miles down the road was drastically different.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
I've heard unsubstantiated reports that some truckers drive nearly blind, relying on their GPS to keep them pointed in the right direction.
I also heard about another case where someone drove onto the tracks in a similar instance as reported, but not collision occured.
I know my low-end GPS sometimes shows me "off course" when I know I'm where I should be (in the road).
The GPS told them to make a right turn, so, if I'm reading this correctly, the person drove off the road into the snow onto the tracks???
Wow, I hope I'm reading this wrong......
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