Time to move on fellas. Let's try and keep these threads train-related, okay?
Tom
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vsmith wrote: Yeah and Enron was an innocent corporation unjustly persecuted...I'll just say most people who work and shop there do so because they can no longer find a decent paying job in this country because all those jobs have been shipped overseas to third world countries where they can pay there workers $3 a day to make goods so Wallyworld can undersell the competition here and in the process put good old fashion mom and pops stores and entire downtowns out of business with there 3 acre size monster-stores. So its work there or at McBungholes.Wallmart, under in its current leadership, is NOT good for this country, or any US worker therein. Ever since the founder died the current owners have had a take no prisoners kill'em all let God sort'em out cutt-throat competitiveness that causes depressed wages not only here but in the countries they buy from along with lousy slave like working conditions for workers in those countries overseas. Zero emphisis on Made in America products which once was a Wallmart tradition, now its a race to the bottom line. That spinning sound you hear is Sam Walton spinning in this grave....So, dont like me calling them Satans Discounter? Ok I'll switch to Hellmart, just as appropriate a discription. May I suggest a little homework on Wallyworlds overseas business practices, discrimination lawsuits, high worker turnover, and poor labor relationships. Lots and lots on-line, 60 minutes did a great piece on their overseas practices, or rent this movie: "Wallmart, The High Cost of Low Price", nice encapsulation of the big reason this company should not be admired, eye opening to say the least.
Yeah and Enron was an innocent corporation unjustly persecuted...I'll just say most people who work and shop there do so because they can no longer find a decent paying job in this country because all those jobs have been shipped overseas to third world countries where they can pay there workers $3 a day to make goods so Wallyworld can undersell the competition here and in the process put good old fashion mom and pops stores and entire downtowns out of business with there 3 acre size monster-stores. So its work there or at McBungholes.
Wallmart, under in its current leadership, is NOT good for this country, or any US worker therein. Ever since the founder died the current owners have had a take no prisoners kill'em all let God sort'em out cutt-throat competitiveness that causes depressed wages not only here but in the countries they buy from along with lousy slave like working conditions for workers in those countries overseas. Zero emphisis on Made in America products which once was a Wallmart tradition, now its a race to the bottom line. That spinning sound you hear is Sam Walton spinning in this grave....So, dont like me calling them Satans Discounter? Ok I'll switch to Hellmart, just as appropriate a discription. May I suggest a little homework on Wallyworlds overseas business practices, discrimination lawsuits, high worker turnover, and poor labor relationships. Lots and lots on-line, 60 minutes did a great piece on their overseas practices, or rent this movie: "Wallmart, The High Cost of Low Price", nice encapsulation of the big reason this company should not be admired, eye opening to say the least.
This thread was semi-lame when it started, man -- and your bitter opinions (which have NOTHING to do with trains) are most unwelcome. Take it elsewhere, willya? Maybe Air America?
Ted Marshall wrote: vsmith wrote: railroad65 wrote: NO, don't turn it in at Wal-mart. The store keeps the money. The service desk people will tell you they are not responsable for lost loose cash. You want to lose $20. Go to the service desk and tell them you just found a twenty dollar bill and give it to them. Then have a friend go to the service desk and tell them, they just lost a twenty and see what happens.I never shop at Satan's discounter in the first place, but it sure fits the 'profit at all costs' mentality.When I was a kid I found $60 at an amusement park, when I went to lost and found the guy told me no one had been in to report any lost money and that if I turned it in chances are another employee would simply pocket it, he said I should go back out into the park and enjoy my windfall, so I did.There's no need for this to get ugly and such statements as that are kindling for an all out flame war. The retail giant you're refering to is a god-sent to many who would otherwise not have a job in this country and the world for that matter.
vsmith wrote: railroad65 wrote: NO, don't turn it in at Wal-mart. The store keeps the money. The service desk people will tell you they are not responsable for lost loose cash. You want to lose $20. Go to the service desk and tell them you just found a twenty dollar bill and give it to them. Then have a friend go to the service desk and tell them, they just lost a twenty and see what happens.I never shop at Satan's discounter in the first place, but it sure fits the 'profit at all costs' mentality.When I was a kid I found $60 at an amusement park, when I went to lost and found the guy told me no one had been in to report any lost money and that if I turned it in chances are another employee would simply pocket it, he said I should go back out into the park and enjoy my windfall, so I did.
railroad65 wrote: NO, don't turn it in at Wal-mart. The store keeps the money. The service desk people will tell you they are not responsable for lost loose cash. You want to lose $20. Go to the service desk and tell them you just found a twenty dollar bill and give it to them. Then have a friend go to the service desk and tell them, they just lost a twenty and see what happens.
NO, don't turn it in at Wal-mart. The store keeps the money. The service desk people will tell you they are not responsable for lost loose cash.
You want to lose $20. Go to the service desk and tell them you just found a twenty dollar bill and give it to them. Then have a friend go to the service desk and tell them, they just lost a twenty and see what happens.
I never shop at Satan's discounter in the first place, but it sure fits the 'profit at all costs' mentality.
When I was a kid I found $60 at an amusement park, when I went to lost and found the guy told me no one had been in to report any lost money and that if I turned it in chances are another employee would simply pocket it, he said I should go back out into the park and enjoy my windfall, so I did.
There's no need for this to get ugly and such statements as that are kindling for an all out flame war. The retail giant you're refering to is a god-sent to many who would otherwise not have a job in this country and the world for that matter.
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Ishmael wrote: The only reason I told the hospital story was to illustrate that sometimes the whole occurrence takes just a few seconds and so there's no ethical dilemma. And I haven't seen a lot of hostility on this thread, so far. Just the mention that you possibly used a RR station to keep it OT, and that has the ring of friendly criticism.
The only reason I told the hospital story was to illustrate that sometimes the whole occurrence takes just a few seconds and so there's no ethical dilemma.
And I haven't seen a lot of hostility on this thread, so far. Just the mention that you possibly used a RR station to keep it OT, and that has the ring of friendly criticism.
I appreciate your contribution and everyone elses as well. I was motivated to clarify my question based on the comment that big-blue is "Satan's discounter".
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Convicted One wrote: I interpreted your placing this scenario at a train station as a complete ruse in cover for the fact that the subject is completely off topic for this forum. Hence the horned smilie you employed.
I interpreted your placing this scenario at a train station as a complete ruse in cover for the fact that the subject is completely off topic for this forum. Hence the horned smilie you employed.
True, but we must keep the thread within the rules otherwise it will be deleted.
The "horned smilie" (evil) was the closest thing I could find to represent the devil i.e. devil on one shoulder, angel on the other.
Ted Marshall wrote: vsmith wrote: railroad65 wrote: NO, don't turn it in at Wal-mart. The store keeps the money. The service desk people will tell you they are not responsable for lost loose cash. You want to lose $20. Go to the service desk and tell them you just found a twenty dollar bill and give it to them. Then have a friend go to the service desk and tell them, they just lost a twenty and see what happens.I never shop at Satan's discounter in the first place, but it sure fits the 'profit at all costs' mentality.When I was a kid I found $60 at an amusement park, when I went to lost and found the guy told me no one had been in to report any lost money and that if I turned it in chances are another employee would simply pocket it, he said I should go back out into the park and enjoy my windfall, so I did.There's no need for this to get ugly and such statements as that are kindling for an all out flame war. The retail giant you're refering to is a god-sent to many who would otherwise not have a job in this country and the world for that matter.Now, with that said let me point out that in my post I specifically mentioned a train station, not big blue or a video store or the back staircase of a hospital building although it shouldn't matter. You either keep it or you try to get it back to who it belongs to.Cosideration must be given for the scenario presented which is a place occupied by other people besides you, perhaps waiting for the same train as you. Either way, you're not the only person around. Somebody may have dropped it within the past few seconds and is somewhere very close by. What would you do? Take it to lost and found, which by the way, every station has one? If somebody asked you if you may have found some money and it's in your pocket, what would you tell them?
Now, with that said let me point out that in my post I specifically mentioned a train station, not big blue or a video store or the back staircase of a hospital building although it shouldn't matter. You either keep it or you try to get it back to who it belongs to.
Cosideration must be given for the scenario presented which is a place occupied by other people besides you, perhaps waiting for the same train as you. Either way, you're not the only person around. Somebody may have dropped it within the past few seconds and is somewhere very close by. What would you do? Take it to lost and found, which by the way, every station has one? If somebody asked you if you may have found some money and it's in your pocket, what would you tell them?
That presents a whole different moral dilemma. If I found 100 dollars on the platform, knowing someone nearby had dropped it, I would make some sort of effort to find out who... perhaps look to see if someone were looking for something, or appeared anxious, or whatever... I'm not really sure. But, by the same token, unless you announce you found some missing money, how are you going to know? Perhaps not mentioning the amount would help identify the person who lost it.
I used an ATM at a store one time, and left without taking the money ($40) and I didn't realize it until a woman who was waiting behind me came followed me out to the parking lot and handed me my money, saying. "Sir, you forgot this in the machine". I was more careful at the ATM's after that. That woman could have easily pocketed the 40.00 at my expense, and I wouldn't have known until I went to go buy something.
It all depends on the person, I think. Big city folks seem to be more cynical then those from the small towns and rural areas. Seriously, loose cash on the ground is fair game for whoever can pick it up.
One more note: a few years ago, in Wheaton, a young kid found an envelope at an area mall. He was walking in a part of the outside mall where there were some empty stores. The envelope contained something like 9000.00 in cash, with no identification on the envelope or in it, with the exception of a hand written list of each denomination and the number of bills for each. This kid took it to the cops, and they held on to it, I don't recall hearing if it was ever claimed. I would turn in that kind of money because if someone is 9 grand short, they'll know it and go looking for it.
Ted Marshall wrote: Now, with that said let me point out that in my post I specifically mentioned a train station, not big blue or a video store or the back staircase of a hospital building although it shouldn't matter. You either keep it or you try to get it back to who it belongs to.
I'm the guy who goes around to all the area malls & big-boxes filing reports of missing cash
I've made quite a nice living off honest people
I worked at a local events center and we had a week long event every summer. And the rule was $1, $5, & $10 was up for grabs. $20 you had to report but got to keep, $50 and $100 you had to turn in, but at the end of the week, if it was unclaimed, you got to keep it. In the 5 years I worked there I found $3.86......... BUT! I found $100 one day outside my house on a pretty windy day and there was nobody to be seen for quite a ways, so the wind had to have blown it form somewhere, so given the chances of finding the person that lost it, I put it in my pocket.....
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trainfan1221 wrote:Yup. Turn it in. There is nothing to be gained in dishonesty, and I would feel guilty not at least having given someone the chance to claim it. That being said, it should be arranged to have it given back to you if nobody does claim it, though knowing me I wouldn't do that either. I once found 5 dollars where I work and turned it in. When a lady came in and asked me if Anyone had found money in that amount I told her I did and that it was at the front desk. She was so stunned I did it she actually walked out in apparent disbelief without claiming it.
Some years ago, I was walking up the inside back stairs of a county hospital. There was no one but me, and a $20 bill came floating through the air at me. I nabbed it and put it in my pocket. When I reached the next landing, I saw a young fellow with a pay envelope and some bills which he was counting. He had a worried look on his face.
I asked him what the problem was, and he said they had shorted him $20. I handed him the 20 and told him to be more careful.
He was very grateful, there were no ethical problems, and no doubt of who the owner was.
tree68 wrote: $100 on the ground? I might ask the info booth (or whatever) if they had any reports of lost money. If not, it's mine. Bear in mind, I'm likely going to be the only one (besides the person who lost it) who will know exactly how much I found. As has been pointed out, a lot of people will suddenly be 'short' a C-Note if they know how much was found.In a purse/wallet/etc - I'm checking for ID and involving the authorities if there's more than a little cash in it.
$100 on the ground? I might ask the info booth (or whatever) if they had any reports of lost money. If not, it's mine. Bear in mind, I'm likely going to be the only one (besides the person who lost it) who will know exactly how much I found. As has been pointed out, a lot of people will suddenly be 'short' a C-Note if they know how much was found.
In a purse/wallet/etc - I'm checking for ID and involving the authorities if there's more than a little cash in it.
Dan
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Mookie wrote: I am not simple enough to think you just hand it over to the person behind the counter at where ever you are - but I would involve the police and a report. Then if it isn't claimed, it is yours. Maybe too small town for some of you bigger city folk? I know we have some police personnel out there. Maybe they will comment.
I am not simple enough to think you just hand it over to the person behind the counter at where ever you are - but I would involve the police and a report. Then if it isn't claimed, it is yours.
Maybe too small town for some of you bigger city folk? I know we have some police personnel out there. Maybe they will comment.
I'm with Mookie...I all boils down to an individual's morality...What each indidual can live with..An honest effort to find the owner, but protect your interests as well.
I was in a video store once talking with the clerk about a movie I wanted. We were the only people there. Two fellows came in and walked past us. One went to a video game and the other wandered to an aisle to look at video boxes. I looked down and saw a silver money clip on the floor right at my feet that I was sure was not there when I went in. I kind of riffled through the money and could see that there were MANY 100's. I went over to the fellow playing the game, figuring he probably lost it digging for change for the machine. I kept the money hidden and said, "Sorry to interrupt your game, but this is important, I just found some money, could you check to see if you have you lost any, just now?" He said, "Nope, I ain't got no money, but that other guy just got this months pay, maybe he lost some."
So I went to the other fellow and asked him. Without looking up from the video box he was reading, he felt into his pocket, then glanced over toward the counter and said, "Oh yeah. It was in my silver money clip." He did not seem the least bit excited about it. But, because I had not mentioned the money clip at all, I knew it was his. I handed it to him and he mumbled; (well, I can't quote him here, so I will paraphrase):
"You're a gosh darned mother fleesing idiot!"
He then put the money and clip in his pocket and turned back to reading the back of the video box. He did not check to see if all the money was there.
Wasn't quite the response I was expecting. Just goes to show that you don't always get a grateful response, but I guess I would do it the same way if it were to happen again.
If there had been no one else in the store, I would have given the clerk my name and phone number and asked that it be posted for all employees to see and said that if anyone came in and asked about lost money to have them call me. I would not have shown it to the clerk or anyone else or let anyone know how much money there was (no need to tempt the clerk to have a friend fraudulently claim it). I am not too sure how long I would wait for a response before I started to reduce my debt with it, but I guess I would wait at least a month or so. If someone contacted me after that, they might have to accept recovery on an installment plan.
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Mookie wrote: but I would involve the police and a report. Then if it isn't claimed, it is yours. Maybe too small town for some of you bigger city folk? I know we have some police personnel out there. Maybe they will comment.
but I would involve the police and a report. Then if it isn't claimed, it is yours.
I have to remember the old episode of the Andy Griffith show, where Opie finds some money, they run an ad in the paper, and the party who lost it comes to claim it after the official claim time had expired. Opie sure was disappointed
....I vote for J's reasoning. The correct way to handle it. Honest too.
Quentin
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Ted Marshall wrote: at a train station (to keep on topic). What should you do? I thought it would be interesting to find out what people would do in this circumstance. I would turn it in to the transit police or other official agency.
at a train station (to keep on topic). What should you do?
I thought it would be interesting to find out what people would do in this circumstance.
I would turn it in to the transit police or other official agency.
The people pointing out that the original owner would likely never be found have made a compelling argument. So, I'd donate the money to the needy.....me.
If i saw somebody drop it i would return it. If i didnt i would give 25$ to charity then i would order lots of things from TRAINS!!!!!!
You'll all have to excuse me for being a bit cynical, but (trust me) if you turn in the $100 bill you've just found there is no way in heck personnel will be able to find the real owner with 100% certainty and you will either have tons of folks claiming to be the rightful owner or (more likely) the person you turn it in to will be $100 richer...but at least you will have the "warm and fuzzies" of being honest.
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