Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. -Airline provided in yard to keep cars charged and this avoid new brake test Joint. -Coupling Tie down. -set a brake on Tie up. -put ones self off duty A Swing - the job that works anothers jobs rest day Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut- uncouple Drop put a piece of equipemtn into another track Dutch Drop- running drop....dangerous Pin. (as in give me the...) the gadget that keep a coupler locked Knockers--Car insepctor Piglet- A trainee Engineer (promoted one being a Hogger) Lace- make up air hoses Bleed rod-- device to for evacuating air from a car thus freeing the brakes Frog- the part of a switch that has guideway grooves Grab air Plug it Pump it up- charge the train with air MU- Multi-Unit---as a verb means to hook up the MU hoses BO- Bad order Slider--car or engine with locked brake/frozen axle Dead head--ride to a terminal some way other than a train Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:07 PM Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. -Airline provided in yard to keep cars charged and this avoid new brake test Joint. -Coupling Tie down. -set a brake on Tie up. -put ones self off duty A Swing - the job that works anothers jobs rest day Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut- uncouple Drop put a piece of equipemtn into another track Dutch Drop- running drop....dangerous Pin. (as in give me the...) the gadget that keep a coupler locked Knockers--Car insepctor Piglet- A trainee Engineer (promoted one being a Hogger) Lace- make up air hoses Bleed rod-- device to for evacuating air from a car thus freeing the brakes Frog- the part of a switch that has guideway grooves Grab air Plug it Pump it up- charge the train with air MU- Multi-Unit---as a verb means to hook up the MU hoses BO- Bad order Slider--car or engine with locked brake/frozen axle Dead head--ride to a terminal some way other than a train Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:44 PM Ed, I got two, MU= Multiple Units BO=Bad Order The rest, I have no Idea. Foamer Tim Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:44 PM Ed, I got two, MU= Multiple Units BO=Bad Order The rest, I have no Idea. Foamer Tim Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:54 PM I got another. In Mt. Clare Yard, the term for a handbrake was "harvey". As in, "Put a harvey on it." That's the ONLY place in Balto. where the term was used. No one could remember the origin of it. I seem to recall Harvey, Illinois cast into some brake wheels along with their manufacturer's name. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:54 PM I got another. In Mt. Clare Yard, the term for a handbrake was "harvey". As in, "Put a harvey on it." That's the ONLY place in Balto. where the term was used. No one could remember the origin of it. I seem to recall Harvey, Illinois cast into some brake wheels along with their manufacturer's name. Reply Edit JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,319 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie No Joe - BO is a bad order car. I think lace up is to hook up the air hoses and I know when you "spot" cars, you set them on a separate track, like at an elevator - you spot cars for the elevator on it's siding. And people can deadheaded - they used to ride in coach cars in comfort when passenger trains ran! Jen sorry jen I was trying to win the mookie challenge.[:D]Most people are good railfans (foamers) and know alot about trains.The diffrence with me is I do not and will never put myself or anyone with me at risk to take train pictures or go where it is not allowed.This morning I had 2 pictures left on the roll.waiting for an eastbound here comes mow equipment decisions decisions... stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,319 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie No Joe - BO is a bad order car. I think lace up is to hook up the air hoses and I know when you "spot" cars, you set them on a separate track, like at an elevator - you spot cars for the elevator on it's siding. And people can deadheaded - they used to ride in coach cars in comfort when passenger trains ran! Jen sorry jen I was trying to win the mookie challenge.[:D]Most people are good railfans (foamers) and know alot about trains.The diffrence with me is I do not and will never put myself or anyone with me at risk to take train pictures or go where it is not allowed.This morning I had 2 pictures left on the roll.waiting for an eastbound here comes mow equipment decisions decisions... stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, July 18, 2003 5:57 AM Joe - That is a nice decision to make! We don't have too much opportunity to see MOW, so when we do I try to study it as much as possible. Maybe if they put you and me together, we can win the Mookie Challenge as one! Then will give the award to Matt!!!! He can put it in on his wall! I should get extra points for being the Mookie! Jen She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, July 18, 2003 5:57 AM Joe - That is a nice decision to make! We don't have too much opportunity to see MOW, so when we do I try to study it as much as possible. Maybe if they put you and me together, we can win the Mookie Challenge as one! Then will give the award to Matt!!!! He can put it in on his wall! I should get extra points for being the Mookie! Jen She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 18, 2003 10:20 AM I always called one of those short single-trailer piggyback cars (now rare again) a "piglet", but the student-engineer definition is probably right. (Around here student switchemen used to be "pigeons") A drop involves getting a car or cut of cars out from behind an engine at a facing point switch. Get up to speed, bunch the slack to pull the pin, then take off in one direction while the car(s) hopefully go down the other track. I'm not sure if the move I once witnessed was a Dutch Drop or not, but it was the neatest way of getting a car into a train under seemingly impossible circumstances. The car was in a spur at a facing-point switch. The engine went in, pulled the car out, and kicked it up the main line ahead of it, then went into the spur. The car was allowed to roll to a stop, at which time its rider got off and began to pu***he car in the opposite direction! I guess inertia helped get it started (track was reasonably level), but momentum kept it rolling until it was against the train, at which point the engine just tied on, made the air, and took off. Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 18, 2003 10:20 AM I always called one of those short single-trailer piggyback cars (now rare again) a "piglet", but the student-engineer definition is probably right. (Around here student switchemen used to be "pigeons") A drop involves getting a car or cut of cars out from behind an engine at a facing point switch. Get up to speed, bunch the slack to pull the pin, then take off in one direction while the car(s) hopefully go down the other track. I'm not sure if the move I once witnessed was a Dutch Drop or not, but it was the neatest way of getting a car into a train under seemingly impossible circumstances. The car was in a spur at a facing-point switch. The engine went in, pulled the car out, and kicked it up the main line ahead of it, then went into the spur. The car was allowed to roll to a stop, at which time its rider got off and began to pu***he car in the opposite direction! I guess inertia helped get it started (track was reasonably level), but momentum kept it rolling until it was against the train, at which point the engine just tied on, made the air, and took off. Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 18, 2003 1:54 PM Here goes, Hoe handle, the handle on a 45 degree back saver switch, looks like a hoe handle, also used as a unit of measurment/distance to travel, about 3 feet. Ground air, a air hose, connected to a big compressor, used to air up brakes on a cut of cars so the carmen can check the air brake function. and perform a brake test. Joint, a coupling Tie down, apply hand brakes, both to cars and locomotives Tie up, go home, put your time claim in the computer. Swing, move a track of cars from one track to another done after you have finished switching into the track to be swung. couple and spot, couple up the track, and spot it on the ground air spot, (see ground air) Light rip, empty car to repair in place. Heavy rip, loaded car to repair in place cut, where you seperated cars from one another, where you "cut" the train. Drop Dutch drop Will explain both later. Pin as in give me the pin, slack action to allow you to lift the cut lever, the pin is the locking pin in the coupler, when tension is on the couplers, you can not lift the cut lever, Knockers, car knockers, they check inbound and out bound trains for defects, cracked wheels, missing brake shoes, defective safety appliances, so forth and so one, got the name partially because they would knock the wheels with a billy club, thoses that rang like a bell were good, thoses that had a dull or dead tone had a defect, other explaination for the name will come later. Piglet, student engineer. Lace, as in lace up the air hoses for the brake pipe between cars. Bleed rod, connected to the release valve, used to bleed the air out of a cars brake system. Frog, where two rails meet, the solid connection with flangways to guide the wheels through, looks like squashed frog. Grab air, apply the air brakes. Plug it, emergency application of the air brakes, also means to close the rear angle **** on a car. Pump it up, use the engine compressor to re charge the air brake system. MU multiple unit, two or more locomotives, connected with electrical connections and air brake connections, functions as a single locomotive opperated from one or the other end. BO, bad order, broken/damaged car or locomotive, or missouri, take your pick.. Slider, car or locomotive with hand brake applied so tight, the wheel is locked, and slides along the rail instead of rolling, creates flat spots on wheels quick. Dead head, time the company has to pay you after you have reached the end of the hours of service law, often paid when a crew "dies on the hog law" and the company has to provide transportation back to the terminal, or to a hotel ect, you render no service to the carrier, they are paying you because they worked you past a point you could have stopped, and tied up. Voilation of the hours of service can result in the carrier being fined heavily, and the crew being fired by the FRA. Hope Kev, and the other Canadians jump in with some northern jargon. Stay Frosty, Ed QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. Joint. Tie down. Tie up. (no Kev) A Swing. Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut Drop Dutch Drop. Pin. (as in give me the...) Knockers Piglet Lace Bleed rod Frog Grab air Plug it Pump it up MU BO Slider Dead head We will start with these, and if you guys get them quick, then kennoe and others will surly come up with more. Stay Frosty, Ed[8D] 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 18, 2003 1:54 PM Here goes, Hoe handle, the handle on a 45 degree back saver switch, looks like a hoe handle, also used as a unit of measurment/distance to travel, about 3 feet. Ground air, a air hose, connected to a big compressor, used to air up brakes on a cut of cars so the carmen can check the air brake function. and perform a brake test. Joint, a coupling Tie down, apply hand brakes, both to cars and locomotives Tie up, go home, put your time claim in the computer. Swing, move a track of cars from one track to another done after you have finished switching into the track to be swung. couple and spot, couple up the track, and spot it on the ground air spot, (see ground air) Light rip, empty car to repair in place. Heavy rip, loaded car to repair in place cut, where you seperated cars from one another, where you "cut" the train. Drop Dutch drop Will explain both later. Pin as in give me the pin, slack action to allow you to lift the cut lever, the pin is the locking pin in the coupler, when tension is on the couplers, you can not lift the cut lever, Knockers, car knockers, they check inbound and out bound trains for defects, cracked wheels, missing brake shoes, defective safety appliances, so forth and so one, got the name partially because they would knock the wheels with a billy club, thoses that rang like a bell were good, thoses that had a dull or dead tone had a defect, other explaination for the name will come later. Piglet, student engineer. Lace, as in lace up the air hoses for the brake pipe between cars. Bleed rod, connected to the release valve, used to bleed the air out of a cars brake system. Frog, where two rails meet, the solid connection with flangways to guide the wheels through, looks like squashed frog. Grab air, apply the air brakes. Plug it, emergency application of the air brakes, also means to close the rear angle **** on a car. Pump it up, use the engine compressor to re charge the air brake system. MU multiple unit, two or more locomotives, connected with electrical connections and air brake connections, functions as a single locomotive opperated from one or the other end. BO, bad order, broken/damaged car or locomotive, or missouri, take your pick.. Slider, car or locomotive with hand brake applied so tight, the wheel is locked, and slides along the rail instead of rolling, creates flat spots on wheels quick. Dead head, time the company has to pay you after you have reached the end of the hours of service law, often paid when a crew "dies on the hog law" and the company has to provide transportation back to the terminal, or to a hotel ect, you render no service to the carrier, they are paying you because they worked you past a point you could have stopped, and tied up. Voilation of the hours of service can result in the carrier being fined heavily, and the crew being fired by the FRA. Hope Kev, and the other Canadians jump in with some northern jargon. Stay Frosty, Ed QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. Joint. Tie down. Tie up. (no Kev) A Swing. Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut Drop Dutch Drop. Pin. (as in give me the...) Knockers Piglet Lace Bleed rod Frog Grab air Plug it Pump it up MU BO Slider Dead head We will start with these, and if you guys get them quick, then kennoe and others will surly come up with more. Stay Frosty, Ed[8D] 23 17 46 11 Reply bfsfabs Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Los Altos, California 130 posts Posted by bfsfabs on Friday, July 18, 2003 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? OH Yeah, and a lot of other OLD stuff that really worked. Like red lead, sharp knives and enamel car paint sprayed in the back yard. Lowell Ryder Reply bfsfabs Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Los Altos, California 130 posts Posted by bfsfabs on Friday, July 18, 2003 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? OH Yeah, and a lot of other OLD stuff that really worked. Like red lead, sharp knives and enamel car paint sprayed in the back yard. Lowell Ryder Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 6:05 PM Ed, Thanks for the info. Now if I can just remember it. I should be able to find someplace to store it. And I am curious as to what are Canadian Friends call some of that stuff myself. TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 6:05 PM Ed, Thanks for the info. Now if I can just remember it. I should be able to find someplace to store it. And I am curious as to what are Canadian Friends call some of that stuff myself. TIM A Reply Edit edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:30 AM More stuff. Slosher Flopper/flop over (two versions) Racker Stacker Bumpers (two versions, can you use one?) Heater Floater By pass Tra***rack Stranger Pole pocket Safety appliance(no, not the refridgerator) Dutch drop, (someone got drop) Switch Turnout Tangent Minutes Candy Striper Kick Heres a hint for some of the above. If you find a flopper on a rack, you dont want to kick the next one, you might get a bypass, and a BO or two. Have fun, and where are the Canadians? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:30 AM More stuff. Slosher Flopper/flop over (two versions) Racker Stacker Bumpers (two versions, can you use one?) Heater Floater By pass Tra***rack Stranger Pole pocket Safety appliance(no, not the refridgerator) Dutch drop, (someone got drop) Switch Turnout Tangent Minutes Candy Striper Kick Heres a hint for some of the above. If you find a flopper on a rack, you dont want to kick the next one, you might get a bypass, and a BO or two. Have fun, and where are the Canadians? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. -Airline provided in yard to keep cars charged and this avoid new brake test Joint. -Coupling Tie down. -set a brake on Tie up. -put ones self off duty A Swing - the job that works anothers jobs rest day Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut- uncouple Drop put a piece of equipemtn into another track Dutch Drop- running drop....dangerous Pin. (as in give me the...) the gadget that keep a coupler locked Knockers--Car insepctor Piglet- A trainee Engineer (promoted one being a Hogger) Lace- make up air hoses Bleed rod-- device to for evacuating air from a car thus freeing the brakes Frog- the part of a switch that has guideway grooves Grab air Plug it Pump it up- charge the train with air MU- Multi-Unit---as a verb means to hook up the MU hoses BO- Bad order Slider--car or engine with locked brake/frozen axle Dead head--ride to a terminal some way other than a train Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:44 PM Ed, I got two, MU= Multiple Units BO=Bad Order The rest, I have no Idea. Foamer Tim Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:44 PM Ed, I got two, MU= Multiple Units BO=Bad Order The rest, I have no Idea. Foamer Tim Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:54 PM I got another. In Mt. Clare Yard, the term for a handbrake was "harvey". As in, "Put a harvey on it." That's the ONLY place in Balto. where the term was used. No one could remember the origin of it. I seem to recall Harvey, Illinois cast into some brake wheels along with their manufacturer's name. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:54 PM I got another. In Mt. Clare Yard, the term for a handbrake was "harvey". As in, "Put a harvey on it." That's the ONLY place in Balto. where the term was used. No one could remember the origin of it. I seem to recall Harvey, Illinois cast into some brake wheels along with their manufacturer's name. Reply Edit JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,319 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie No Joe - BO is a bad order car. I think lace up is to hook up the air hoses and I know when you "spot" cars, you set them on a separate track, like at an elevator - you spot cars for the elevator on it's siding. And people can deadheaded - they used to ride in coach cars in comfort when passenger trains ran! Jen sorry jen I was trying to win the mookie challenge.[:D]Most people are good railfans (foamers) and know alot about trains.The diffrence with me is I do not and will never put myself or anyone with me at risk to take train pictures or go where it is not allowed.This morning I had 2 pictures left on the roll.waiting for an eastbound here comes mow equipment decisions decisions... stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,319 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie No Joe - BO is a bad order car. I think lace up is to hook up the air hoses and I know when you "spot" cars, you set them on a separate track, like at an elevator - you spot cars for the elevator on it's siding. And people can deadheaded - they used to ride in coach cars in comfort when passenger trains ran! Jen sorry jen I was trying to win the mookie challenge.[:D]Most people are good railfans (foamers) and know alot about trains.The diffrence with me is I do not and will never put myself or anyone with me at risk to take train pictures or go where it is not allowed.This morning I had 2 pictures left on the roll.waiting for an eastbound here comes mow equipment decisions decisions... stay safe joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, July 18, 2003 5:57 AM Joe - That is a nice decision to make! We don't have too much opportunity to see MOW, so when we do I try to study it as much as possible. Maybe if they put you and me together, we can win the Mookie Challenge as one! Then will give the award to Matt!!!! He can put it in on his wall! I should get extra points for being the Mookie! Jen She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, July 18, 2003 5:57 AM Joe - That is a nice decision to make! We don't have too much opportunity to see MOW, so when we do I try to study it as much as possible. Maybe if they put you and me together, we can win the Mookie Challenge as one! Then will give the award to Matt!!!! He can put it in on his wall! I should get extra points for being the Mookie! Jen She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 18, 2003 10:20 AM I always called one of those short single-trailer piggyback cars (now rare again) a "piglet", but the student-engineer definition is probably right. (Around here student switchemen used to be "pigeons") A drop involves getting a car or cut of cars out from behind an engine at a facing point switch. Get up to speed, bunch the slack to pull the pin, then take off in one direction while the car(s) hopefully go down the other track. I'm not sure if the move I once witnessed was a Dutch Drop or not, but it was the neatest way of getting a car into a train under seemingly impossible circumstances. The car was in a spur at a facing-point switch. The engine went in, pulled the car out, and kicked it up the main line ahead of it, then went into the spur. The car was allowed to roll to a stop, at which time its rider got off and began to pu***he car in the opposite direction! I guess inertia helped get it started (track was reasonably level), but momentum kept it rolling until it was against the train, at which point the engine just tied on, made the air, and took off. Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, July 18, 2003 10:20 AM I always called one of those short single-trailer piggyback cars (now rare again) a "piglet", but the student-engineer definition is probably right. (Around here student switchemen used to be "pigeons") A drop involves getting a car or cut of cars out from behind an engine at a facing point switch. Get up to speed, bunch the slack to pull the pin, then take off in one direction while the car(s) hopefully go down the other track. I'm not sure if the move I once witnessed was a Dutch Drop or not, but it was the neatest way of getting a car into a train under seemingly impossible circumstances. The car was in a spur at a facing-point switch. The engine went in, pulled the car out, and kicked it up the main line ahead of it, then went into the spur. The car was allowed to roll to a stop, at which time its rider got off and began to pu***he car in the opposite direction! I guess inertia helped get it started (track was reasonably level), but momentum kept it rolling until it was against the train, at which point the engine just tied on, made the air, and took off. Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 18, 2003 1:54 PM Here goes, Hoe handle, the handle on a 45 degree back saver switch, looks like a hoe handle, also used as a unit of measurment/distance to travel, about 3 feet. Ground air, a air hose, connected to a big compressor, used to air up brakes on a cut of cars so the carmen can check the air brake function. and perform a brake test. Joint, a coupling Tie down, apply hand brakes, both to cars and locomotives Tie up, go home, put your time claim in the computer. Swing, move a track of cars from one track to another done after you have finished switching into the track to be swung. couple and spot, couple up the track, and spot it on the ground air spot, (see ground air) Light rip, empty car to repair in place. Heavy rip, loaded car to repair in place cut, where you seperated cars from one another, where you "cut" the train. Drop Dutch drop Will explain both later. Pin as in give me the pin, slack action to allow you to lift the cut lever, the pin is the locking pin in the coupler, when tension is on the couplers, you can not lift the cut lever, Knockers, car knockers, they check inbound and out bound trains for defects, cracked wheels, missing brake shoes, defective safety appliances, so forth and so one, got the name partially because they would knock the wheels with a billy club, thoses that rang like a bell were good, thoses that had a dull or dead tone had a defect, other explaination for the name will come later. Piglet, student engineer. Lace, as in lace up the air hoses for the brake pipe between cars. Bleed rod, connected to the release valve, used to bleed the air out of a cars brake system. Frog, where two rails meet, the solid connection with flangways to guide the wheels through, looks like squashed frog. Grab air, apply the air brakes. Plug it, emergency application of the air brakes, also means to close the rear angle **** on a car. Pump it up, use the engine compressor to re charge the air brake system. MU multiple unit, two or more locomotives, connected with electrical connections and air brake connections, functions as a single locomotive opperated from one or the other end. BO, bad order, broken/damaged car or locomotive, or missouri, take your pick.. Slider, car or locomotive with hand brake applied so tight, the wheel is locked, and slides along the rail instead of rolling, creates flat spots on wheels quick. Dead head, time the company has to pay you after you have reached the end of the hours of service law, often paid when a crew "dies on the hog law" and the company has to provide transportation back to the terminal, or to a hotel ect, you render no service to the carrier, they are paying you because they worked you past a point you could have stopped, and tied up. Voilation of the hours of service can result in the carrier being fined heavily, and the crew being fired by the FRA. Hope Kev, and the other Canadians jump in with some northern jargon. Stay Frosty, Ed QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. Joint. Tie down. Tie up. (no Kev) A Swing. Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut Drop Dutch Drop. Pin. (as in give me the...) Knockers Piglet Lace Bleed rod Frog Grab air Plug it Pump it up MU BO Slider Dead head We will start with these, and if you guys get them quick, then kennoe and others will surly come up with more. Stay Frosty, Ed[8D] 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, July 18, 2003 1:54 PM Here goes, Hoe handle, the handle on a 45 degree back saver switch, looks like a hoe handle, also used as a unit of measurment/distance to travel, about 3 feet. Ground air, a air hose, connected to a big compressor, used to air up brakes on a cut of cars so the carmen can check the air brake function. and perform a brake test. Joint, a coupling Tie down, apply hand brakes, both to cars and locomotives Tie up, go home, put your time claim in the computer. Swing, move a track of cars from one track to another done after you have finished switching into the track to be swung. couple and spot, couple up the track, and spot it on the ground air spot, (see ground air) Light rip, empty car to repair in place. Heavy rip, loaded car to repair in place cut, where you seperated cars from one another, where you "cut" the train. Drop Dutch drop Will explain both later. Pin as in give me the pin, slack action to allow you to lift the cut lever, the pin is the locking pin in the coupler, when tension is on the couplers, you can not lift the cut lever, Knockers, car knockers, they check inbound and out bound trains for defects, cracked wheels, missing brake shoes, defective safety appliances, so forth and so one, got the name partially because they would knock the wheels with a billy club, thoses that rang like a bell were good, thoses that had a dull or dead tone had a defect, other explaination for the name will come later. Piglet, student engineer. Lace, as in lace up the air hoses for the brake pipe between cars. Bleed rod, connected to the release valve, used to bleed the air out of a cars brake system. Frog, where two rails meet, the solid connection with flangways to guide the wheels through, looks like squashed frog. Grab air, apply the air brakes. Plug it, emergency application of the air brakes, also means to close the rear angle **** on a car. Pump it up, use the engine compressor to re charge the air brake system. MU multiple unit, two or more locomotives, connected with electrical connections and air brake connections, functions as a single locomotive opperated from one or the other end. BO, bad order, broken/damaged car or locomotive, or missouri, take your pick.. Slider, car or locomotive with hand brake applied so tight, the wheel is locked, and slides along the rail instead of rolling, creates flat spots on wheels quick. Dead head, time the company has to pay you after you have reached the end of the hours of service law, often paid when a crew "dies on the hog law" and the company has to provide transportation back to the terminal, or to a hotel ect, you render no service to the carrier, they are paying you because they worked you past a point you could have stopped, and tied up. Voilation of the hours of service can result in the carrier being fined heavily, and the crew being fired by the FRA. Hope Kev, and the other Canadians jump in with some northern jargon. Stay Frosty, Ed QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. Joint. Tie down. Tie up. (no Kev) A Swing. Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut Drop Dutch Drop. Pin. (as in give me the...) Knockers Piglet Lace Bleed rod Frog Grab air Plug it Pump it up MU BO Slider Dead head We will start with these, and if you guys get them quick, then kennoe and others will surly come up with more. Stay Frosty, Ed[8D] 23 17 46 11 Reply bfsfabs Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Los Altos, California 130 posts Posted by bfsfabs on Friday, July 18, 2003 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? OH Yeah, and a lot of other OLD stuff that really worked. Like red lead, sharp knives and enamel car paint sprayed in the back yard. Lowell Ryder Reply bfsfabs Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Los Altos, California 130 posts Posted by bfsfabs on Friday, July 18, 2003 2:25 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now? OH Yeah, and a lot of other OLD stuff that really worked. Like red lead, sharp knives and enamel car paint sprayed in the back yard. Lowell Ryder Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 6:05 PM Ed, Thanks for the info. Now if I can just remember it. I should be able to find someplace to store it. And I am curious as to what are Canadian Friends call some of that stuff myself. TIM A Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 6:05 PM Ed, Thanks for the info. Now if I can just remember it. I should be able to find someplace to store it. And I am curious as to what are Canadian Friends call some of that stuff myself. TIM A Reply Edit edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:30 AM More stuff. Slosher Flopper/flop over (two versions) Racker Stacker Bumpers (two versions, can you use one?) Heater Floater By pass Tra***rack Stranger Pole pocket Safety appliance(no, not the refridgerator) Dutch drop, (someone got drop) Switch Turnout Tangent Minutes Candy Striper Kick Heres a hint for some of the above. If you find a flopper on a rack, you dont want to kick the next one, you might get a bypass, and a BO or two. Have fun, and where are the Canadians? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:30 AM More stuff. Slosher Flopper/flop over (two versions) Racker Stacker Bumpers (two versions, can you use one?) Heater Floater By pass Tra***rack Stranger Pole pocket Safety appliance(no, not the refridgerator) Dutch drop, (someone got drop) Switch Turnout Tangent Minutes Candy Striper Kick Heres a hint for some of the above. If you find a flopper on a rack, you dont want to kick the next one, you might get a bypass, and a BO or two. Have fun, and where are the Canadians? Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie No Joe - BO is a bad order car. I think lace up is to hook up the air hoses and I know when you "spot" cars, you set them on a separate track, like at an elevator - you spot cars for the elevator on it's siding. And people can deadheaded - they used to ride in coach cars in comfort when passenger trains ran! Jen
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QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard What if he had called me a yard dog? Or a driller? The terminology can be confusing at times. Lets see what the fans thinks these mean. I really want to know, not picking fun at all. Shall we let the fans answer, then the railroaders can fill in the blanks.? And remember, the same term may have a different meaning from road to road. Hoe handle Ground air. Joint. Tie down. Tie up. (no Kev) A Swing. Couple and spot.(see ground air) Light rip Heavy rip. Cut Drop Dutch Drop. Pin. (as in give me the...) Knockers Piglet Lace Bleed rod Frog Grab air Plug it Pump it up MU BO Slider Dead head We will start with these, and if you guys get them quick, then kennoe and others will surly come up with more. Stay Frosty, Ed[8D]
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QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR Would you believe all of this stuff is illegal now?
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