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Interesting Northern Pacific side note to history....
Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 10:01 AM

I was researching some history of the Northern Pacific Railway and read that General George Custer was providing security at various times for the NP railway survey and construction workers in Montana.    Just thought that was kind of interesting and would share.     One could only guess what NP management at the time thought of Little Big Horn.     Not to mention the NP Railroad Police Dept.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:04 PM

What a shame.  Custer never lived to enjoy an NP "Great Big Baked Potato." 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 12:25 PM

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Great Big Baked Potato

Who knows.....lol.....maybe that was the nickname for Custer at LBH. :)

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 2:06 PM

CMStPnP

 

 
Flintlock76
Great Big Baked Potato

 

Who knows.....lol.....maybe that was the nickname for Custer at LBH. :)

 

Yeah, I guess after he'd been lying in the sun for a while!   Ick!

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 4:25 PM

For what it's worth, Custer, Mont., is a named station point with 7,180-foot siding on BNSF's Forsyth Sub, formerly the NP main line.

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Posted by Gramp on Tuesday, August 3, 2021 9:13 PM

Another aside is NP took control of Wisconsin Central, giving it a direct route into Chicago. How the railroad history of the northern states may have been different from that point forward, but NP lost control of WC during the 1893 financial panic. 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, August 4, 2021 7:21 AM

Gramp
Another aside is NP took control of Wisconsin Central, giving it a direct route into Chicago. How the railroad history of the northern states may have been different from that point forward, but NP lost control of WC during the 1893 financial panic. 

   

They paid a portion of the construction costs for the Milwaukee Road Depot in Milwaukee, "Everett Street Station" as well as a portion of the construction costs of Grand Central in Chicago.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, August 4, 2021 9:55 AM

Sherman came to UP's rescue more than once with his forces. Many of the well known names from both sides of the Civil War were building the railroads while a few still on the Army payroll were protecting them. The army was the best source of technical expertise available at the time.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Saturday, August 7, 2021 10:29 PM

Sherman also made it relatively easy for the South to rebuild their system to standard guage after the Civil War.  After what his troops did to the railroads in Georgia alone.  

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Posted by PNWRMNM on Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:00 AM

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Sherman also made it relatively easy for the South to rebuild their system to standard guage after the Civil War.  After what his troops did to the railroads in Georgia alone.  

 

Coulda, shoulda but did not. Most were rebuilt to their original gauge and not changed until the 1880s.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:11 AM

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Sherman also made it relatively easy for the South to rebuild their system to standard guage after the Civil War. 

As I recall, many of the Southern railroads were converted, en masse in the span of only a couple of days, but that was in May of 1886, long after most Civil War damage would have been repaired on even indifferently-running railroads, and it was to the then-PRR gauge of 4'9", not standard gauge.

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, August 9, 2021 7:29 AM

I would imagine that Korean Air may take offense as well.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, August 9, 2021 9:56 AM

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I would imagine that Korean Air may take offense as well.

The yin and yang symbol is ancient (Chinese), although it usually includes a dot in each of the large lobes.  

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, August 9, 2021 10:11 AM

Just noticed I put this on the wrong NP thread .. This was for the new Northern Pacific Airlines :)  .

 

Not used to two active NP threads.

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Posted by NP Eddie on Monday, August 9, 2021 5:37 PM

A Northern Pacific Vice President visited Korea before 1900 and liked the symbol and that became the NP nomad.  I came  off the NP in the 1970 merger at Northtown (Minneapolis Yard). One night about 1980 or so, I doubled key punching. I told a a GN clerk that we had a symbol of peace and tranquilty and he had a goat. I almost go punched in the nose for that!

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, August 9, 2021 6:19 PM

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A Northern Pacific Vice President visited Korea before 1900 and liked the symbol and that became the NP nomad.  I came  off the NP in the 1970 merger at Northtown (Minneapolis Yard). One night about 1980 or so, I doubled key punching. I told a a GN clerk that we had a symbol of peace and tranquilty and he had a goat. I almost go punched in the nose for that!

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I believe the symbol is called a 'monad' not nomad.

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, August 12, 2021 10:30 AM

The story I heard was that someone from NP visited the Korean exhibit at the 1893 World's Fair in Chicago, and saw the monad on the Korean flag and liked it.

NPMonad.pdf (streamlinermemories.info)

IIRC Custer was part of the Army troops accompanying an NP survey team for a time in 1873, three years before the Little Big Horn.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, August 15, 2021 8:29 AM

The reason the South regauged to 4'-9" instead of 4'-8-1/2" was that only one rail was moved and, in general, no new ties were used.  In most cases, moving the rail inward by 3-1/2" would put the new outside spike hole too close to the old inside spike hole for sufficient track striength.  The wheel-axle assemblies were all regauged for 4'-8-1/2" with the intention of regauging the track again whenever new ties were installed, which happened.

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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, August 16, 2021 4:28 AM

NP-Eddie:  If the ex-GN BN Clerk had been wise, he would have smiled and said:

"The Monad is a mere man-made design, while a goat is part of the Eternal's Hansiwork, and had a place, both male and female, in Noah's Ark."

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Posted by ANDREW C SELDEN on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 10:43 AM

The History Guy has a good video on the gauge conversion of the southern rail lines:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v81Gwu6BTE

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 4:48 PM

Great Northern is the g.o.a.t. - greatest of all time!

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