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CP in a post Hunter era. Interesting editor's note to article.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, October 13, 2018 8:10 PM

Following precedent, UP + CSX would be called Union Pacific.  BNSF + NS would become BNSFNS.  Integrating with the Canadian roads would wait until a later round.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, October 13, 2018 11:44 PM

Agree on UP. I kind of like Norfolk, Burlington & Coast for the other leviathan.

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Posted by CPRcst on Sunday, October 14, 2018 6:39 PM

You can tell Kreel, like Hunter returns to the US every weekend. Neither has figured out that Canada is a separate country. A merger with a big US road, which would really be a takeover of CP, would be blocked by Ottawa, no matter which party were in power. It would make re-election unlikely, particularly with the current occupant of the White House. 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, October 15, 2018 11:30 AM

MidlandMike
Following precedent, UP + CSX would be called Union Pacific.

But its name in the community would follow the precedent of the 1982 Mopac merger, MOP-UP, and be called CSX-UP, pronounced 'sucks-up')

BNSF + NS would become BNSFNS.

Like the punchline of the old advertising joke about Doyle Dane Bernbach merging with Batton, Barton, Durstein and Osborne ... the merged roadname would be BNSFNS tha-tha-that's all, folks!

Integrating with the Canadian roads would wait until a later round.

Much later.  Especially for BNSF unless the Canadians can make a really strong case the merged railroad things can be managed better in Montreal than Omaha... which is highly doubtful. 

However, I still have to wonder about the fit of KCS with CN/IC now that NAFTA-by-another-name is up and running ... or KCS and CP if some south-central 'competition' is wanted.[/quote]

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, October 15, 2018 11:31 AM

MidlandMike
Following precedent, UP + CSX would be called Union Pacific.

But its name in the community would follow the precedent of the 1982 Mopac merger, MOP-UP, and be called CSX-UP, pronounced 'sucks-up')

BNSF + NS would become BNSFNS.

Like the punchline of the old advertising joke about Doyle Dane Bernbach merging with Batton, Barton, Durstein and Osborne ... the merged roadname would be BNSFNS tha-tha-that's all, folks!

Integrating with the Canadian roads would wait until a later round.

Much later.  Especially for BNSF unless the Canadians can make a really strong case the merged railroad things can be managed better in Montreal than Omaha... which is highly doubtful. 

However, I still have to wonder about the fit of KCS with CN/IC now that NAFTA-by-another-name is up and running ... or KCS and CP if some south-central 'competition' is wanted, as Rams Guy said.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, October 15, 2018 11:58 AM

New provincial government elected Oct 1/18 in Quebec is to the right, but a Quebec right, which is different. French language laws will be further strengthened and enforced so unless everyone in Omaha speaks French there is no way. I think the hurdles of cross border mergers will be insurmountable. If anyone could get it done it would be the Railroads and the CP VP seems to think it can. Can't see it myself.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, October 15, 2018 6:24 PM

I still think there will ultimately be two East-West US Leviathans and the Soo Line and Grand Trunk Western-IC will get some mainly north-south tendrils to append to their systems for Prince Rupert and Vancouver import traffic to have access to the 2/3 of the American population that lives in the eastern 1/3 of the US. The one corrollary that whoever of the two Canadian roads finally takes the plunge with KCS will also get access from Meridian to Atlanta. So there will remain a duopoly in the US West and Canada, but the Eastern US and the eastern half of Texas will have at least a triumvirate. Time will tell, of course but it will be interesting to watch what actually transpires.

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Posted by Dmacleo on Thursday, October 18, 2018 4:01 PM

Ulrich

 

 
Convicted One

 

 
Miningman
Hunter would be very happy seeing Keith Creel as CEO of a transcontinental Class I,

 

Personally, this is what I suspected EHH intended to do when he went to CSX in the first place.

 

 

 

 

For a paltry $20 million, that goal could have been realized through the purchase of the former MMA. This would have rendered CP a coast to coast transcontinental operation once again.. A golden opportunity.. missed.. 

Railroads work very well together now.. they share infrastructure, locomotives, and rolling stock... thus there's less incentive to merge than in the past. Mergers would also reduce operational fluidity.. i.e. now (for example) NS can partner with UP or BNSF on various moves.. a merger with one or the other would make it more difficult to partner with a competitor. The best of both worlds is pretty much what we have now: class 1s who compete with one another on some business and collaborate on other business.. and share resources for mutual beneficial gain. 

 

 

would have cost lot more than that, drive by the northern maine junction yard a lot and see the shape of the equipment MMA was running. slowly getting better but still has to have cost a ton of $$.

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, October 19, 2018 1:24 PM

Dmacleo

 

 
Ulrich

 

 
Convicted One

 

 
Miningman
Hunter would be very happy seeing Keith Creel as CEO of a transcontinental Class I,

 

Personally, this is what I suspected EHH intended to do when he went to CSX in the first place.

 

 

 

 

For a paltry $20 million, that goal could have been realized through the purchase of the former MMA. This would have rendered CP a coast to coast transcontinental operation once again.. A golden opportunity.. missed.. 

Railroads work very well together now.. they share infrastructure, locomotives, and rolling stock... thus there's less incentive to merge than in the past. Mergers would also reduce operational fluidity.. i.e. now (for example) NS can partner with UP or BNSF on various moves.. a merger with one or the other would make it more difficult to partner with a competitor. The best of both worlds is pretty much what we have now: class 1s who compete with one another on some business and collaborate on other business.. and share resources for mutual beneficial gain. 

 

 

 

 

would have cost lot more than that, drive by the northern maine junction yard a lot and see the shape of the equipment MMA was running. slowly getting better but still has to have cost a ton of $$.

 

 

Fortress paid 17.25 million for it.. in my opinion they got one heck of a great deal.. which CP could have and should have had. 

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