News Wire: Canadian Pacific's Ohio move explained

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Posted by Brian Schmidt on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 11:16 AM

CALGARY, Alberta — Canadian Pacific is extending the reach of its international intermodal service into the Ohio Valley through a partnership with a pair of Genesee & Wyoming regional railroads. The Chicago, Fort Wayne & Eastern Railr...

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Posted by D.Carleton on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:28 PM

Too bad (for G&W) the Butler branch isn't there anymore to connect the TP&W to the CFW&E.

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Posted by VerMontanan on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:10 PM

Why are these NEWSWIRE items pasted in the Forum?  One can comment on the NEWSWIRE side already.  Having the same thing in two places only serves to dilute the number of responses and interactions between readers.

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Posted by AgentKid on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:17 PM

I like having these NEWSWIRE items here because I feel it enhances the ability of readers to interact with each other.

You can insert references to other items, quote specific portions of others responses, and there are simply more readers here than on NEWSWIRE.

I had been waiting for this idea long before Brian posted these links.



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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 4:32 PM

Certainly sounds like a major winner for CP even if it is just more defective junk from China. 

Will someone please send over a tailor and show them that we do not have "Asian" profile bodies, how to make room in the crotch area and make socks that last more than one or 2 cycles of wash. 

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Posted by jdamelio on Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:37 PM

Hope this is good for Fayette County.


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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, October 12, 2017 7:13 AM

It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  CP already has an ownership interest in the IHB so bypassing Chicago won't be too hard to accomplish.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:31 PM

Close to Columbus and Cincinnati, and really not all that far from Indy and Louisville.

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Posted by MICHAEL KLASS on Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:31 PM

At the time the CF&E was acquired from CSX, I was the Midwest Region Marketing Director for RailAmerica. We put together some interesting moves with connecting shortlines. We had some regular buisness with the WLE between their customers and Chicago.We also had a 5 shortline route with HESR, TSBY, AA, IORY andCFE from the thumb of Michigan to Chicago for scrap metal. It beat CSX on price and transit time. The oddest one was Chcicago to Evansville via CFE, IORY, CIND and ISRR.

CSX hated us, but it was all legal under the sale agreement. It was hard to get the western Class I's to work with us becuse they didn' want to upset CSX or NS. At the time, it was possible to move east of Chicago as far as Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Connelsville by combining some of 27 shortlines and regionals, without touching a Class !.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, October 15, 2017 7:15 PM


It will be interesting to see how this pans out.  CPR already has an ownership interest in the IHB so bypassing Chicago won't be too hard to accomplish.


As Paul (CSSHEGEWISCH) points out, and surprisingly, to me;no one else, has mentioned the fact that Canadian Pacific Rwy 'Bailed out of Indiana', in 2005/2006, when it sold the Latta Sub to INRD.

see linked article @

"Indiana Rail Road to buy portion of Canadian Pacific Railway's tracks"

Wednesday, November 9, 2005
FTA:"...Canadian Pacific Railway announced Tuesday it has executed an agreement to sell its 92.3-mile track from Fayette, which is near Terre Haute, to Bedford to Indiana Rail Road Co.

The sale of the Latta Subdivision is expected to close in the first half of 2006, pending approval of the U.S. Surface Transportation Board. The sale includes trackage rights over CSX from Chicago to Terre Haute and from Bedford to Louisville, Ky. Terms were not disclosed, but the sale will generate a modest gain for CPR and is part of the company's continuing efforts to streamline operations and drive efficiency..."

Seems that someone's crystal ball might have been somewhat clouded at reading the future at CPR, 10 years back?

addendum: Anyone interested in some pretty good reading about "doings" on the Latta Sub of the CTH&SE can read about them in the "Latta Laments" by Mike Dettmers, and his time as a Dispatcher for Canadian Pacific on the Latta Subdivision.  

They are 'housed' in the Haley /Wabash Valley Railroader's Museum, In Terre Haute(IN.) Their website @






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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, October 15, 2017 9:11 PM

Was that the Fred Green era?

I had always wondered why CP did not partner with the web of shortlines to extend their market reach into the Upper Midwest north of the Ohio River.

If one looks at the CP as a gigantic "tree", with the stump at Vancouver, BC and the trunk extending to Moose Jaw, from there two "stems" head off to Toronto and Chicago, with "branches" heading from those locations to Montreal, Buffalo and Detroit.

Now they can add southwestern Ohio as another "branch" from Chicago.

Interestingly, with the CFE they might be able to partner with other short lines such as the WLE to extend reach to northeastern Ohio. While they have trackage rights through Cleveland now, they can't stop to serve anybody.

I guess the question there is if the WLE is actually cleared for doublestacks or not.

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Posted by Los Angeles Rams Guy on Monday, October 16, 2017 10:39 PM
Actually, that was right at the end of the Rob Ritchie era; right before Fred Green inherited the top spot.
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