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career as an engineer..

  • forgive my ignorance, i am a 8000+hour pilot by profession who is fedup with airplanes and aviation and have always wondered what it would be like to be an engineer on a train. What all goes into making a career like this, education, age requirements? What's the job market like? Competitive? Pay? Schedule?

    Thanks in advance

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  • I, too, am a pilot pretty close to your experience level. The great advantage we fliers have is time off. Most railroaders complain that they just work, sleep, work and sleep. And then they work and sleep (but not much sleep) some more. I work a week on and a week off. Most of my airline friends fly about 15 days per month and are off the rest of the time. I would love to try railroading for a while, but it would probably get old fast. While I don't live to fly, I do fly to live.
  • Being furloughed from the airlines, I'm flying contract on the CE750 now for "fun" but I'm earning my living in commercial real estate (which is hot as heck out here in AZ).. I just can't wait for AMR to get their act together, and let my best earning years go by flying bottom dweller dobs..

    I always wondered if the loc driver guys were in the same world as us flyers or if they were better off... would it be an easy field to break into, or more like landing a job at American or Delta was like before 9/11 and the downturn.. that's all.. I put 10 years of hard work into landing my dream airline job, but that's long gone IMHO now..
  • Now I see the bigger picture and I understand your problem. I don't blame you at all for looking for a fresh start. I'm no expert, but I understand that RRs are hiring almost everywhere, so you should have no trouble finding work. There several schools for prospective RR employees. Check out Modoc Railroad Academy or maybe there is something closer to PHX. Be prepared to spend $5K, or so, for tuition, plus living expenses for a couple of months. I looked into it about seven years ago. At that time the school in Dayton said to expect starting pay around $30K with CSX or NS. Maybe it is a bit higher, now. You start as a brakeman or conductor and may move up to engineer fairly quickly. I don't know about engineer pay scales, but I wouldn't expect to make more than an airline captain - except that being a working engineer surely beats being a furloughed captain.

    All the above is based mostly on hearsay, in large part from this forum. In my view railroading would be the best possible career if only the schedule wasn't so intense. For me, the time off is too important.

    I hope some real railroaders chime in here. Best of luck to you and let us know how it goes.
  • I am an A&P mechanic with 15 yrs exp. After Sept 11, I got kicked to the curb
    with everyone else. I went to a job fair with CSX and Norfolk Southern, they both
    offered about the same pay/benefits. I have to agree with tpatrick the money just isn't there. I was offered $30/35K /year. ---yikes
    The really bad part was you had to start as an "extra board conductor" and it takes 5 years to get to the "regular board". If that wasn't bad enough the schedule was 2 on 1 off. First day out, second day back, third day off.
    And you needed ALOT of senority to get better time off.
    Needless to say I swallowed my pride, and went to a regional airline for about the same money but better time off, and I don't think you can NON REV on a train...
  • QUOTE: Originally posted by tpatrick

    Now I see the bigger picture and I understand your problem. I don't blame you at all for looking for a fresh start. I'm no expert, but I understand that RRs are hiring almost everywhere, so you should have no trouble finding work. There several schools for prospective RR employees. Check out Modoc Railroad Academy or maybe there is something closer to PHX. Be prepared to spend $5K, or so, for tuition, plus living expenses for a couple of months. I looked into it about seven years ago. At that time the school in Dayton said to expect starting pay around $30K with CSX or NS. Maybe it is a bit higher, now. You start as a brakeman or conductor and may move up to engineer fairly quickly. I don't know about engineer pay scales, but I wouldn't expect to make more than an airline captain - except that being a working engineer surely beats being a furloughed captain.

    All the above is based mostly on hearsay, in large part from this forum. In my view railroading would be the best possible career if only the schedule wasn't so intense. For me, the time off is too important.

    I hope some real railroaders chime in here. Best of luck to you and let us know how it goes.

  • The best bet for you guys would be to look into the other forums, because we have had MANY recent discussions on this.

    MODOC is a scam. The railroads will train you themselves, and you will start as a conductor, then yard engineer, then if you choose, road engineer. Your gonna have to build up senority though. If anybody lives by the Dakota,Minnesta and Eastern, I would try to get a job with them becsue they are soon majorly expanding and will be in need of new crewmembers.

    Mechanical Department  "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."

    The Missabe Road: Safety First

     

  • DME isnt really hiring yet.. and other way around ur on the road first then the yard.. sorry max... and dont call modac a scam... they tell u what they do.. and they do what they tell you.. its just not what you really need to be an engineer.
  • But will, the railroads train you themselves so you really dont need to go there. O, i forgot your Mr.Dakota....LOL JK Will

    Mechanical Department  "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."

    The Missabe Road: Safety First

     

  • QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

    The best bet for you guys would be to look into the other forums, because we have had MANY recent discussions on this.

    MODOC is a scam. The railroads will train you themselves, and you will start as a conductor, then yard engineer, then if you choose, road engineer. Your gonna have to build up senority though. If anybody lives by the Dakota,Minnesta and Eastern, I would try to get a job with them becsue they are soon majorly expanding and will be in need of new crewmembers.
    thats not true..depending on what railroad you hire out on... you start out as a conductor..and then you go into engin service..once your promotied and marked up as an engineer...your senority will tell you if you can hold yard or road service jobs...thier is no starting out as a yard engineer and working your way to the road...it all comes down to what you can hold as an engineer...also..what you can and cant hold changes from day to day with other men taking vacations.. and other senority moves.. so you might be a road engineer sitting on a pool turn today...and a yard engineer tomarrow...and stuck on the extra board that day after that.. and im sure that is the way it is on alot of other carriers...i know that is how it works on ALL the class 1s...
    csx engineer
    "I AM the higher source" Keep the wheels on steel
  • O ok, I see.
    But wont DM&E soon be hiring?

    Mechanical Department  "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."

    The Missabe Road: Safety First

     

  • Hiring conductors..
  • Yes, but most of their their current conductors will be promoted to engine service, correct?

    Mechanical Department  "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."

    The Missabe Road: Safety First

     

  • Only if they want to.. they may hire engineers form other railroads....class ones or twos