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Posted by selector on Tuesday, June 5, 2007 12:19 AM

 FoulRift wrote:
Don Z- didn't work. Worked for Smoke. Followed all directions and zip.
Don't understand-don't have this much trouble posting photos. Anyway
it's getting late and I'm ready to see if my computer can fly. That's
how annoying this has gotten. Perhaps tomorrow if my head is screwed on
straight I'll try again. BobBanged Head [banghead]Dunce [D)]Censored [censored]

Bob, when I post an image, I use the [ and ] at each end of the full url, but I use small case img and /img between them respectively.  Try that.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:53 PM
Thanks-make sense to me. Bob

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:47 PM
Don Z- didn't work. Worked for Smoke. Followed all directions and zip.
Don't understand-don't have this much trouble posting photos. Anyway
it's getting late and I'm ready to see if my computer can fly. That's
how annoying this has gotten. Perhaps tomorrow if my head is screwed on
straight I'll try again. BobBanged Head [banghead]Dunce [D)]Censored [censored]
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Posted by selector on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:46 PM

The grade works out to about 4.7%.  That is quite steep, but should I assume you have encountered a problem?  What, exactly, is the issue here?

Let my try to address your real question.  You included this section and the facility as an industry to be served by the railroad.  So, assuming your overall trackpan is smallish, less than 6'X8', having to fudge the tracks up to the facility means you can't really ever run trains up there.  So, I would ask you, "Why bother at this point?"  Keep it simple and just put a dairy farm or something up there.  Save all the track laying and material.

If I misunderstand, and you still want to include this facility in the trackplan, then take out what laid track you must and place a turnout further back.  If that means on a curve, order a #6 curved turnout from Walthers.  My point is, you have spent some time designing what you want out of the layout.  Don't give up too much when you still have time to take out a bit of track and add a turnout to get your grade down to about 4% or a bit less.  If you are going to ballast, and have not yet done so, now is the time to take a deep breath, figure out your grade, make it, and tie it into your nearest track point with a turnout.  My mind's image of what this must look like tells me it is simple to do, especially at this point, and would maintain the integrity of your plan by better than 90%.

Is this of any use to you?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:16 PM
Selector- I measured the incline and it is approx. 21". This does not
include the coal dock. If this is going to be a very steep grade(not
sure if this is a good thing or not) what would it look like if I cut
off part of the incline and put it up against the edge of the layout
giving an indication that it is being served by a track not shown on my
track plan? Would this work better? The plan is basically set and to
try and make wholesale changes to the incline would mean taking it
apart which is why I asked about my other idea. Thanks again. Bob

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Posted by Don Z on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:06 PM

 FoulRift wrote:
Thanks Smoke- That's exactly it. It looks like I put the * in the wrong place. Should have known better. Thanks again.BobDunce [D)]Oops [oops]


[IMG*]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/foulrift/NS2224.jpg[/IMG]
[/IMG*]

FoulRift,

You don't need the * inside your 1st bracket. You also need to lose the 2nd set of [/IMG*] at the end of your signature (in red). The easiest way to make it work: Go to your Photobucket album, find the photo you want to use. Look under your photo and find the last line titled IMG Code. Left click once on the text in the box and you'll see the word "Copied" appear on your screen. Now come to your post in the forum, hit 'Control V' to paste your photo link into your post. Try it and see if it works.

Don Z.

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Posted by SOU Fan on Monday, June 4, 2007 11:03 PM

 FoulRift wrote:
Thanks Smoke- That's exactly it. It looks like I put the * in the wrong place. Should have known better. Thanks again.BobDunce [D)]Oops [oops]

You don't put the * in it.  you leave it out so that it comes out. I put them in there so you could see what it should look like.  here is the image with spaces instead of *'s.

[ IMG]http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/lol-049.gif[/IMG ]

 

-Smoke

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:59 PM
Thanks Smoke- That's exactly it. It looks like I put the * in the wrong place. Should have known better. Thanks again.BobDunce [D)]Oops [oops]
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Posted by selector on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:54 PM
 FoulRift wrote:

In my layout plan I would like to add an incline leading to a coal
unloading area. I have the incline and dock built. Combined it is
approx. 3' long. How much extra track would I need to make this
workable? If this is not possible would it look out of place if I
placed it in an area with the bottom of the incline at the edge of the
benchwork indicating that it is being served by another  track not
shown on the plan? ...

 

Bob, I understand that you already have built a grade with track up to an unloading facility for coal hoppers...is this correct?  If the grade proper is about 18" long as a guess, your total elevation in HO would be in the order of about 1" for a very steep grade managed by a 0-8-8-0 type pusher.  So, if I understand your question, you are wondering how you can correct what you must now realize is a fatal error...you have a very steep grade?

You would need enough track to reduce a grade above about 4-5% to somewhere around there, so take your elevation above mean trackplan level and the difference in elevation at the hopper facility, and divide that number by the percent grade you desire.   If you figure 5% is doable, then you have 1/.05 (one divided by five percent) which comes to 20 inches.  If you want something that most of us would probably agree is considerably less toy-like, more realistic looking, then you'll want 3%, which if you do the same figuring, but substituting .03 for the .05, you get 33 inches.

You can fudge many things in model railroading, so your idea, if that is what you'll have to bail out to, might just work.  Or, can you squeeze in a switchback of sorts?  Just throwing out ideas.

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Posted by SOU Fan on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:35 PM

Is this what you wanted?

[*IMG]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u234/foulrift/NS2224.jpg[/IMG*]

 

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Track grade question
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 4, 2007 10:26 PM

In my layout plan I would like to add an incline leading to a coal
unloading area. I have the incline and dock built. Combined it is
approx. 3' long. How much extra track would I need to make this
workable? If this is not possible would it look out of place if I
placed it in an area with the bottom of the incline at the edge of the
benchwork indicating that it is being served by another  track not
shown on the plan? Banged Head [banghead]

Also this one is off topic-I have been trying the better part of
the day to add an image to the signature area of my posts. I have the
image at Photobucket. I copied the link and pasted it into the
signature and added (*) ,in the proper places but the image won't come
up. Am I doing this wrong? What's the secret to doing this? Sign - Off Topic!! [#offtopic]

Thanks for any and all help. BobWhistling [:-^]

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