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Cheap-Cheap! Chicken Little asks, "How much $$ do we really need?"

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Monday, May 14, 2007 6:24 AM

When I print decals, I just print a row across the top of the sheet.  I use MS Word, and import the graphics into that.  I set the top and side margins so I don't waste the expensive paper any more than a quarter-inch or so.

Then, after they dry, I take a paper cutter and make a clean slice below the row of decals.  I can run the same short page through the printer again.  The printer doesn't care how long the paper is, as long as it can grab it from the top and feed it through.

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:39 PM
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Hey Mr Poteet, Be sure and stir your basalt ballast with a magnet as the basalt around here is around 27% iron. Some of us here were using it for ballast ,I still have a jug or two, and we found out it has quite a bit of iron in it. The bits will stick to the motor magnets in your engines just like steel wool particles. Bill from Lewiston, ID



I will keep this in mind and will act accordingly when - and if - I decide to proceed with this action.  Way back in the '50s I used to catch rattlers for sale to the Atomic Energy Commision on the lava flows west of Springfield in Bingham County; on one of my snake catching expeditions I stumbled onto a (lava) sand field that was so soft that I went in all the way to my boot tops; if the highway department hasn't significantly changed the roadway I think I could probably find it again.  Since I'm going up there primarily for the Sagebrush I will simply kill two birds with one stone and bring me back some black sand. 

Your response does raise a question: if I strained this sand a la as outlined in my previous response and I glued this "balllast" down as we glue ballast down and if I then vacuum everything thoroughly to insure I leave no loose ballast then what is going to get picked up by motormagnets?

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Posted by ARTHILL on Sunday, May 13, 2007 7:51 PM
I get a lot of my styrofoam from the side of highways. Saw big pile on 694 yeasterday. Went back to get it with my Jeep. It was gone. Some other modeler must have a new mountain this week.
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Posted by reklein on Sunday, May 13, 2007 3:16 PM

Hey Mr Poteet, Be sure and stir your basalt ballast with a magnet as the basalt around here is around 27% iron. Some of us here were using it for ballast ,I still have a jug or two, and we found out it has quite a bit of iron in it. The bits will stick to the motor magnets in your engines just like steel wool particles. Bill from Lewiston, ID

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Sunday, May 13, 2007 10:16 AM
 Texas Zepher wrote:


I found this thread on page 49, and it seemed a good one to keep to the front as well. 


I've done that same thing with "The 'N" Crowd" topic; I am (now) very careful what I say in order to "reactivate" it, as it were, - the first time I did it I caused a big donnybrook by trying to be funny.

Anyway, I recently posted a response to a topic posted by a rail wanting to know if sand could be used for gravel.  I get my "gravel" out of the dry washes which thread through the desert here in the far, far reaches of the wild, wild west.

I go out onto the desert and acquire a quantity of "wash" sand; I run it through three strainers.  The first of these strainers is a standard sized strainer such as is found and used in kitchens.  The one I acquired years ago has a slight convex chord on the bottom; the lip of this strainer is metal and has handles.  This first straining separates the (very) large rock from the mix; in most cases this is the place where I find most of the debris.

My second straining is with a (standard) window screen; the third straining is with another window screen but this one is not standard but has a very fine mesh.  When I get done with this straining I am down to a sand that is really fine enough to use for casting purposes; in point of fact I bought it for that exact purpose some time back.  This is my "gravel".

The next time I go into (eastern) Idaho I am going to cut myself enough sagebrush to make a couple of hundred "trees" and bring back enough basalt sand to give myself a black "ballast" - but, of course, I have to make the trip to Idaho to do that.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:46 AM
 warhammerdriver wrote:
  Hookup wire salvaged from the dash wiring harness of a Ford Focus.

All ya gotta do is think outside the box.

Stanley, my car won't start again. I swear if it gets any worse you're going to have to buy me a new car.

It's okay Martha, I found the probelm. I'll just use a couple wires from  the washing machine and, see there ya go.

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Posted by warhammerdriver on Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:41 AM

A lot of my benchwork and base scenery forms are salvaged from other projects.  My large hill was framed from white bead styrofoam packing blocks from RTA furniture.  Window screen from replacing the screen in my sliding door.  Hookup wire salvaged from the dash wiring harness of a Ford Focus.

All ya gotta do is think outside the box.

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Posted by Rangerover on Sunday, May 13, 2007 8:30 AM
WOW, do I agree with you! I'm from the old school too! I've made so much of my own stuff by coming to this forum. I've got box's of the old real bright green grass from the 60's, the real fake looking stuff that I paid $.40 for back in the 60's. Back then it was the only grass color you could buy, I found out that all I had to do was to Rit-dye it the shades of real looking grass. That stuff is priced at $3.20 for a small little plastic bag these days. I also fixed up about 3 dozen of the cone shape, cookie cutter evergreen trees, cut'em up in different shapes and sprayed glued them and rolled them in turf and made them look beautiful and real looking. Most of my trees I'm making myself from furnace filters, scour pads and  sizzle rope and wire.  I have yet to scratch build anthing, but am working on my scenics and am excited just thinking about it and weathering. I just hope that some day I can repay this forum and the great bunch of people here buy finding out something and share it with ya'll. Like I stated in another post, the people on this forum are building my pike for me. All I have to do is read and learn and apply. Thanks all! Jim 
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Sunday, May 13, 2007 12:20 AM

 484fan wrote:
Sorry about the typos...too big a hurry to get through I guess.
You realize, of course, you can hit the "edit" button and fix those typos?  I often edit a message 3-4 times before I get it "postable".  Sometimes though people will quote you while in drafting mode and preserve the errors for all time!.

Anyway I found this thread on page 49, and it seemed a good one to keep to the front as well. 

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Posted by 484fan on Friday, March 30, 2007 6:01 AM
Sorry about the typos...too big a hurry to get through I guess.
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Posted by 484fan on Friday, March 30, 2007 6:00 AM

after an absence of some 35 years from the hobby (no room) I've re-entered only to find a very changed world.  Hydrocal? huh? I had only known and used plaster of paris.  so, I bought everything. I bought a roll of screening for the base o9f my scenery. Cardboard strips? Now why didn't I think of that !

  Well, after lurking about these fora, and thanks to all you great creative folks out there, I've been vastly enlightened. i've learned tricks and hints I never imagined before. I only wish I had done a bit of studying here before I plunked down all the4 bux. Thanks to you all.

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Posted by Pruitt on Friday, March 30, 2007 5:49 AM
I saved a TON of money on cork roadbed by buying a giant roll of cork floor underlayment and cutting it into strips. It's only a few pennies per four foot strip that way.
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Posted by Tracklayer on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:20 AM

Well, let's see here. I've probably got about as much tied up in my layout as I would one good quality loco... The table itself is built of plywood and 2X4s that were on sale at the local lumber yard. The foam sheet that's under everything had a corner broken off of it so they let me have it for half price, and after cutting it to fit the table I still had enough scrap left over as a frame for my mountain. I used plaster that was on sale at Lowe's along with old news paper to cover everything, and Walmart flat earth tones to spray the landscape with. The brush, trees and track were all bought at Hobby Lobby around Christmas time when they were having a half off sale on all train items. I already had most of the structures and buildings that had been in storage from years past, and just fixed them up a little. The streets are made of spray painted poster board. I also use coffee stir sticks painted and glued together as pipe loads for flat cars and things like that in order to save a buck here and there. A friend of mine suggested that I make and sale load items for flat cars on eBay, but I have enough trouble making them just for myself...

Now. What's so dumb is that I cut every corner I can on my layout and detail items, but will spend $20.00 to $25.00 each on rolling stock. Go figure...

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Posted by wm3798 on Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:02 PM

Years ago I took one of those plastic bubbles you get from a gumball machine, spray painted it silver, made some legs out of plastruct, and painted the town's name on it.  Perfectly functional as a water tower...

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Posted by orsonroy on Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:59 PM

Cheap & good? That's easy: scratchbuild everything. I crank out section houses for $2, depots for around $10, and ToC boxcars for about $8 excluding trucks and metal wheelsets (which add $3). For motive power (steam, of course!) look for aggressive sales: buy NOTHING for MSRP, and buy as little as possible for 3/4 MSRP. ($65 Bachmann 2-8-0s anyone?)

Finally, FOCUS. Pick A time, A place, A prototype. The more obscure the better. You'll spend a lot of time LOOKING at new releases, but you won't spend a dime taking any home!

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Posted by orsonroy on Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:58 PM

Cheap & good? That's easy: scratchbuild everything. I crank out section houses for $2, depots for around $10, and ToC boxcars for about $8 excluding trucks and metal wheelsets (which add $3). For motive power (steam, of course!) look for aggressive sales: buy NOTHING for MSRP, and buy as little as possible for 3/4 MSRP. ($65 Bachmann 2-8-0s anyone?)

Finally, FOCUS. Pick A time, A place, A prototype. Yo

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Posted by inch53 on Thursday, March 29, 2007 9:45 PM

All of my bench work is scrap or used lumber from building project round here or from my FIL. I did have to buy some foam, I ran out.

Since I'm modeling here in the Midwest I don't have any mountains to worry bout, but we do have some small sandstone cliffs, so I'm using sandstone I've found in creek beds and that.

I've always got PVC of bout any size I need, if I don't my local hardware store will sell 6" or a foot for little of nothing. They also carry a good selection of small screws.

Small wood scraps from projects around the house are saved and when I need some scale 2 by's. The table and scroll saws get used and the sawdust gets dyed for ground cover.

Most the rolling stock and engines came from yard sales, flea markets, and swap meets. Though I do buy some of those new, when the price is right.

Paint and all that I too get at Wally World or craft shops.

So I get by kind a cheap most the time

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Posted by WilmJunc on Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:39 PM
I haven't tried it yet, but I'm going to try use dryer sheets dipped in a plaster slurry as a substitute for plaster cloth.  After exhausting an $8.50 roll of plaster cloth in no time,  I will experiment with some alternates.

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Posted by perisher on Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:28 PM
 Thanks for that spacemouse,some more inspirations.They do make some nice scratchbuilt models
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Posted by SpaceMouse on Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:20 PM

 perisher wrote:
  I was just wondering what you use popsicles sticks mainly for?

Platforms, catwalks, hitching posts, and handrails

 

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Posted by galaxy on Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:19 PM

I am on a strick income, so "cheap" is my middle name....

Ok, ok,ok I admit.......

While I pondered weak and weary over many curious and quaint volumes of forgotten lore, while I nodded, nearly napping as I changed one roll for another, I began to fondle...oopss...I mean to THINK fondly of the toilet paper roll tube. A good one (nicely round-not squashed) may have a life as a temporary (or permanent) grain silo, storage tower, or for of course tanks, like sideways fuel tanks. They may even make culverts for waterways.

Painted nicely so humidity does not bother them, they may last very well. And are cheaper yet than the pvc pipe!Now, just think what I could do with a paper towel tube!

I think this is an old trick, but those little canisters of silicone found in pill bottles will serve as canisters somewhere....just unscrew the top, some unscrew...remove the silicone for those of you who have lit'l 'uns.

Speaking of pill bottles, I have one script that comes in a larger bottle....if I cut off the necks.....they would be nicer towers that the TP tube! Just an idea....

 

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Posted by perisher on Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:14 PM
 SpaceMouse wrote:

Joe Fugate once told me that you can get model railroad equipment with 3 qualities.

Cheap

Fast

Good

But you can only pick two.

So I pick cheap and good. Let's talk about ways we can do this hobby cheap and good.

Personally, I watch for construction sites and at the end of the day, I go to the construction trailer find the boss and ask for the 2" foam scraps on the ground. I can usually fill my Explorer.

I've yet to buy a tree. I've found several different species of plants that when dried make good frames for trees.

For sale signs are an excellent source of styrene for scratching--and as some of you know. I use a lot of popsicle sticks. I must have used 200 out of the 1000 I paid $2 for.

What do you do to cut costs?

I was just wondering what you use popsicles sticks mainly for?
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Posted by on30francisco on Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:09 PM
 wm3798 wrote:

At the risk of offending our gracious host, this is the kind of information that used to be in Model Railroader.  How to make something out of nothing.  Now every article seems to espouse patronizing one or more of the magazine's advertisers, usually at considerable expense.

My favorite target is Woodland Scenics, which has made an industry out of taking things that are generally available at a hardware store pretty cheap, re-packaging it into tiny boxes with clever names, then re-selling it for a relatively high price.  Guess what?  You can buy a 50lb bag of plaster of paris for a little more than what W.S. charges for their half-gallon carton, and Scenic Cement is really...white glue!Wink [;)]

And instead of providing articles about scratch-building things and including scale drawings, they advise you on how to kitbash three kits from Walthers (retailing at $39.99 each) into something more useful.

Really, W.S. is guilty of nothing more than brilliant point-of-purchase marketing, and without Walthers ads, MR would probably still be printed in black and white...  so it's really no surprise.

My favorite cost saving techniques have already been listed, from dumpster diving to looking for those diamonds in the rough at swap meets.

I also do a lot of salvaging from my parts box, too.  Here's a recent project using light boards salvaged from a DCC conversion...

The parts were all from the junque box, the cost was about 1 hour of my life...  and an hour well-spent!

Lee 

 I agree that the newer issues of Model Railroader push products from their advertisers in their kit-bashing and construction articles instead of suggesting using commonly available materials and publishing scale drawings. I realize that the advertisers help pay for the magazine and it's  caveat emptor when it comes to the articles that push certain products. I've noticed that many dedicated modeling products are repackaged common materials that are priced many times over the same product that is available at hardware stores, DIY stores, and Wal-Marts.

I came up in the era when MR emphasized scratch building and using common products to build models and layouts. I find the older issues of MR that I have from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s to be very useful as there are a lot of good modeling articles that use common materials.

Narrow Gauge and Shortline Gazette has many construction articles and plans that use many commonly available materials as well as dedicated model railroading products. Although its main emphasis is narrow gauge modeling, these articles are useful in any scale.

If I had to rely only on dedicated modeling products, I could not afford this hobby. 

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Posted by Midnight Railroader on Thursday, March 29, 2007 5:44 PM
 wm3798 wrote:

At the risk of offending our gracious host, this is the kind of information that used to be in Model Railroader.  How to make something out of nothing.  Now every article seems to espouse patronizing one or more of the magazine's advertisers, usually at considerable expense.

I am thoroughly enjoying collecting old back issues of MR and following the "Dollar Model" series. There were a lot of do-it-cheap-but-well concept articles back then. True, much of the technology has become obsolete, but I am getting a real kick out of doing and making things myself instead of buying the equivalent. Not only does it save money, it gives me a sense of satisfaction that I never get when I plop down an RTR-whatever on the layout.

Today's "What Do You Mean, I Have to Make It? I Don't Have Time for That!" modelers will never have this feeling.

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Posted by BDT in Minnesota on Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:51 PM
After eating a cluster of grapes, I save the Stem,  (If that is what you would call it) and use it for a dead tree or bush...Some rollers from a roller bearing also look like small oil barrels...any size of army man or other figure can be used as a statue in a city park.....concrete roads can be made out of concrete, railroad and highway bridges can also be built this way...
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Posted by cbq9911a on Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:22 PM

I bought a sheet of Walthers brick, painted it, and scanned it onto my PC.  Voila!  Got an image that can be cut and resized in Microsoft Word to get nice looking brick paper.  Just resize the image to go from bricks to concrete blocks.

And to print it I use the "good" rag paper I use for letters; it gives the right texture to the bricks.

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Posted by tangerine-jack on Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:16 PM

I have a garden railway, most people think that it is a hyper expensive type of model railroading, but as with everything else, its all about what your budget is. 

I garden swap for my "scenery".  That is to say, I know people in my area that garden, I'll trade them plant for plant to get what I want.  Feed and seed stores are a mucho dirt cheap place to buy garden accessories, and my local feed store will give me potting containers for free.   Dirt cost nothing, it's laying around in my yard already.   Anthing else I scavenge from the neighbors or buy when it's an end of season sale.

My roadbed is brick and PVC, scavenged from my own home improvement project and cost nothing but time.

My track I buy prefab from Ridge Road in NY.  They are 1/3 the cost of anywhere else and usually they will have a buy 3 get one free sale in the spring.  My rolling stock is sometimes evilbay'd, but mostly it too is bought on sale or from flea markets.  Hartland Locomotive Works is made right here in the USA and is very high quality and very affordable, so many of my 4 wheel tankers and flats are Hartland kits ($6 a piece).

Home Depot and Lowe's are my scratch building friends.  Many things in there can be used for structures and other projects.  As was mentioned before, PVC is pennies on the dollar compared to plastistruct. 

Wal-Mart is an excellent source of G scale cars and trucks, and many figure too!  The "homies" line is very G scale for all practical purposes.   Birdhouses can be used for buildings with only door or window mods and some paint. 

Asphalt shingles make excellent asphalt roads and parking lots.  Many, many things can be adapted to a garden railroad.

I'm not "cheap", I'm "thrifty"  Wink [;)]

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Posted by wm3798 on Thursday, March 29, 2007 4:04 PM

At the risk of offending our gracious host, this is the kind of information that used to be in Model Railroader.  How to make something out of nothing.  Now every article seems to espouse patronizing one or more of the magazine's advertisers, usually at considerable expense.

My favorite target is Woodland Scenics, which has made an industry out of taking things that are generally available at a hardware store pretty cheap, re-packaging it into tiny boxes with clever names, then re-selling it for a relatively high price.  Guess what?  You can buy a 50lb bag of plaster of paris for a little more than what W.S. charges for their half-gallon carton, and Scenic Cement is really...white glue!Wink [;)]

And instead of providing articles about scratch-building things and including scale drawings, they advise you on how to kitbash three kits from Walthers (retailing at $39.99 each) into something more useful.

Really, W.S. is guilty of nothing more than brilliant point-of-purchase marketing, and without Walthers ads, MR would probably still be printed in black and white...  so it's really no surprise.

My favorite cost saving techniques have already been listed, from dumpster diving to looking for those diamonds in the rough at swap meets.

I also do a lot of salvaging from my parts box, too.  Here's a recent project using light boards salvaged from a DCC conversion...

The parts were all from the junque box, the cost was about 1 hour of my life...  and an hour well-spent!

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Posted by fwright on Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:53 PM

Being on a strictly limited hobby budget ($25/month in the '70s, $50/month now), I made the decision from the beginning to minimize $$/hour of model railroading rather than just trying to limit $$.

But I also promised myself I would not let lack of funds be a cause of frustration.  If I was learning a new skill or trying something I had never done before, I would not cut corners on tools or materials.  Once I understood a particular aspect of the hobby and had established my own way of doing things, then I would see where cutting costs was feasible.

From the beginning (late '70s), I traded time for money by doing the following:

  • handlaid track
  • hand thrown turnouts
  • built my own DC throttles
  • built cars and locomotives from kits
  • favor buying craftsman kits.  Although higher-priced, cost/hour was often lower due to many extra hours to assemble and paint and letter.

Other actions simply reduced costs without increasing time:

  • modest size layouts - this was enforced by having to move often courtesy Uncle Sam
  • very limited locomotive roster
  • common rail wiring
  • power routing turnouts
  • buying used rolling stock or bargains and specials

When practical, I would also gently turn down rolling stock, structure, and track gifts that did not fit with my period and era.  I would always suggest somebody that might have a better use for it than I.  But I'm not too stupid to accept a gift of a Rivarossi Heisler (too big and too new) and run it when it comes from my wife - and it's the most expensive locomotive I've ever owned.  I learned my lesson when I converted another gift - a Roundhouse box cab diesel to a Climax (using the Roundhouse kit).  Didn't think she notice - boy, was I wrong!

just my thoughts and experiences

Fred W

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