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Turn out on a bridge

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Posted by gear-jammer on Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:04 PM

Thanks for the photos.  We have one coming up too.

Sue

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Posted by Dave-the-Train on Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:51 AM
 Mark R. wrote:

Is this of any value ??? ....

Mark.

Nice bridge!  Cool [8D]... Um, it's a through girder not a trestle...

Notice the depth of the track supporting cross girders... these would be deeper than the same girders on a parrallel sided bridge... because the longer ones have a greater spen... and they're all the same depth regardless of end to keep the construction straight forward.

Also the girder on the curved track side is straight... as girders on curved track bridges are... while the curved side of a trestle is likely to be curved to conform to the track.

The board walks are probably there to facilitate maintenance... and would help to hide any linkage for operating the switch.

It's interesting that only the curved route has a bridge guard rail... and only one.

Other details... the right hand board walk has a nice hand rail to stop maintainers falling through the open girders.  The left hand girder carries a bunch of communication cables.

Nice pic Cool [8D]

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Posted by fishplate on Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:44 PM

It,s quit interesting how we model into situations because of (FILL IN THE BLANK). Only to

find out that a prototype exists some where. Real railroads had to deal with situations because

of (FILL IN THE BLANK) also.

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:18 PM

 soumodeler wrote:
I don't know if I have ever seen a turnout on a trestle before though. Anyone have a picture?
Downtown Denver over the South Platte River next to 20th street (photographer is facing almost due north):
 

I have been told that at one time where the service road is, used to be a second track.  This is used as the tail of a wye. About a mile behind the train is Prospect, Fox Junction, the D&RGW North Yard,  Utah Junction so basically all points north and west.  Eventually the Moffat tunnel. The straight track from the turnout goes to Union Station, the curved track goes to the east bound "CB&Q" main.  The Amtrak California Zephyr is turned here and backed into Union Station every morning.

The track cutting across near the top of the photo is the old C&S track connecting Fox Junction (to the north) to the old Rice Yard (now 6 flags amusment park).  After the Rice yard  is where the D&RGW & Santa Fe joint line began.  Since the yard and C&S main are now gone, for all practical purposes this now the beginning of the joint line to the south.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:47 PM
 soumodeler wrote:

Make the trestle supports (bents I think they are called) increasingly wider. Have the beams go across at the angle of the turnout. It should work out. I don't know if I have ever seen a turnout on a trestle before though. Anyone have a picture?

 

On one of the best days of my life, I was riding in the cab of a 2-8-2T when it went over a double-wide trestle, a shallow and short one, that had a turnout basically straddling it.  So, it is done when it is necessary. 

I think your advice makes sense, since the company would not waste any more wood or construction time than was absolutely necessary to achieve its aims at that crossing.  The caps, as they are called, will get longer as they must, or doubled, and the numbers of vertical timbers will rise, with the batter on the outermost as on all the other bents.  Sway braces and girts would be added outboard of the main frame as necessary to stabiliize the whole thing.

Having done some custom work for my newest layout, I have realized that there is a great deal of satifaction in doing it.  I hope it works for you.

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Posted by Left Coast Rail on Saturday, March 10, 2007 9:34 PM
Here is how they did it on the Feather River in California at a spot called Keddie Wye:









and here is the Google Map coordinate

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:50 PM

That shot was taken in Bethlehem Pennsylvania.

Mark.

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Posted by modelmaker51 on Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:27 PM
 Mark R. wrote:

Is this of any value ??? ....

Mark.

That's a great shot of 7607! Where is that?

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Posted by ShadowNix on Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:51 PM

Great pic... man this could have given me another 8 inches on a siding if I had known this...DOH... I just assumed Sign - Oops [#oops] that one would NEVER do this... ah, I should remember in real life, NEVER is almost NEVER said... uh.... Sign - With Stupid [#wstupid]

 

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Posted by bogp40 on Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:49 PM

 WCfan wrote:
I have a tight spot on my layout where I need a turnout on a trestle bridge. Does any one have any advice on how I should build it. 

If you are doing a ballasted deck instead of open trestle, it would be easier to construct and hide switch linkage. Either way linkage will be needed to throw the points to a switch machine behind/ under one of the abutments. A piece of music wire within a tube to a bellcrank would be my suggestion.

Modeling B&O- Chessie  Bob K.  www.ssmrc.org

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Posted by Curmudgeon on Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:32 PM
And the BN mainline on the West side of Spokane, splits in both directions........
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Posted by soumodeler on Saturday, March 10, 2007 5:23 PM

Yeah, like that. Angle the one side and just lay the track. Remember to use a closer tie spacing on bridges if you are handlaying it. I don't know what you could do about that if you are using commercial turnouts.

 

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:23 PM

Is this of any value ??? ....

Mark.

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Posted by soumodeler on Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:21 PM

Make the trestle supports (bents I think they are called) increasingly wider. Have the beams go across at the angle of the turnout. It should work out. I don't know if I have ever seen a turnout on a trestle before though. Anyone have a picture?

 

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Turn out on a bridge
Posted by WCfan on Saturday, March 10, 2007 4:14 PM
I have a tight spot on my layout where I need a turnout on a trestle bridge. Does any one have any advice on how I should build it. 

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