twhite wrote: CAZEPHYR wrote: twhite wrote: I picked up two 2nd-run sleepers to complete my 11-car set, and I don't find any difference between the first and second runs. The cars are fantastically detailed, nicely weighted, and no, they don't couple any closer (still about 1/8th of an inch between buffers), but that little detail doesn't bother me too much (they still touch on the curves, of which I have PLENTY!). I still wouldn't run them on anything under a 26" radius, though. Beautiful models. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what they do with their announced DAYLIGHT sets. Tom Tom I agree the 2nd run cars were of the same quality and that is very good overall. The 2nd run did make some changes since the PRR add on car was in a later paint schem with the black roof and changed lettering. There may have been some other minor add on changes besides that particular one, but I had purchased the PRR add on car for my train in the first run and noticed the difference when the new ones came out. The BLI/PCM Daylight train should be very good also and sell extremely well since they have only been available in Brass up to this time. The lettering on the 1941 run cars and locomotives will probably be Southern Pacific Lines which was only used for about two or three years after the introduction of the 1941 train. I am hoping they will do a second run with the large post war (1946) lettering and move the number boards to the mid casting position of the GS4 instead of as new up front position. Most of us do not have room for the entire 20 car train.Tha Intermountain Cab Forward would look good up front for the climb out of of San Luis Obispo. I watched the 4449 go up Cuesta grade a few years ago with the 1984 Daylight train and how great it would be to see a Cab Forward as a helpler. I am concerned that the production of the model might be based upon reservations and BLI/PCM might have to cancel if the reservations do not add up to a sufficient amount to cover the engineering. CAZEPHYRCAZEPHYRI'm with you, I don't think I could possibly fit a 20-car Daylight comfortably on the Yuba River Sub--the 11-car CZ is about as prototypically long as I can afford to get, LOL! However, I'm thinking that a couple of sets of paired coaches, along with the 3-unit diner and some single coaches might get me a fair representation. Actually, I just need something to keep my brass Balboa GS-4 happy (it's getting tired of pulling Overnight Freights!). And yes, your idea of using the new BLI AC-12 to help it up Cuesta sounds intriguing. Actually, I've got a lot of pictures of the SP 'Deck' 2-10-2's doing the Daylight helper chores on Cuesta, and it's pretty amazing to watch those 80" drivered GS's being helped up by those smaller-drivered behemoths. Talk about 'Driver Action!'. If my LHS is any indicator, there will be PLENTY of reservations for the Daylight sets. Tom
CAZEPHYR wrote: twhite wrote: I picked up two 2nd-run sleepers to complete my 11-car set, and I don't find any difference between the first and second runs. The cars are fantastically detailed, nicely weighted, and no, they don't couple any closer (still about 1/8th of an inch between buffers), but that little detail doesn't bother me too much (they still touch on the curves, of which I have PLENTY!). I still wouldn't run them on anything under a 26" radius, though. Beautiful models. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what they do with their announced DAYLIGHT sets. Tom Tom I agree the 2nd run cars were of the same quality and that is very good overall. The 2nd run did make some changes since the PRR add on car was in a later paint schem with the black roof and changed lettering. There may have been some other minor add on changes besides that particular one, but I had purchased the PRR add on car for my train in the first run and noticed the difference when the new ones came out. The BLI/PCM Daylight train should be very good also and sell extremely well since they have only been available in Brass up to this time. The lettering on the 1941 run cars and locomotives will probably be Southern Pacific Lines which was only used for about two or three years after the introduction of the 1941 train. I am hoping they will do a second run with the large post war (1946) lettering and move the number boards to the mid casting position of the GS4 instead of as new up front position. Most of us do not have room for the entire 20 car train.Tha Intermountain Cab Forward would look good up front for the climb out of of San Luis Obispo. I watched the 4449 go up Cuesta grade a few years ago with the 1984 Daylight train and how great it would be to see a Cab Forward as a helpler. I am concerned that the production of the model might be based upon reservations and BLI/PCM might have to cancel if the reservations do not add up to a sufficient amount to cover the engineering. CAZEPHYR
twhite wrote: I picked up two 2nd-run sleepers to complete my 11-car set, and I don't find any difference between the first and second runs. The cars are fantastically detailed, nicely weighted, and no, they don't couple any closer (still about 1/8th of an inch between buffers), but that little detail doesn't bother me too much (they still touch on the curves, of which I have PLENTY!). I still wouldn't run them on anything under a 26" radius, though. Beautiful models. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what they do with their announced DAYLIGHT sets. Tom
I picked up two 2nd-run sleepers to complete my 11-car set, and I don't find any difference between the first and second runs. The cars are fantastically detailed, nicely weighted, and no, they don't couple any closer (still about 1/8th of an inch between buffers), but that little detail doesn't bother me too much (they still touch on the curves, of which I have PLENTY!). I still wouldn't run them on anything under a 26" radius, though.
Beautiful models. I'm anxiously awaiting to see what they do with their announced DAYLIGHT sets.
Tom
I agree the 2nd run cars were of the same quality and that is very good overall. The 2nd run did make some changes since the PRR add on car was in a later paint schem with the black roof and changed lettering. There may have been some other minor add on changes besides that particular one, but I had purchased the PRR add on car for my train in the first run and noticed the difference when the new ones came out.
The BLI/PCM Daylight train should be very good also and sell extremely well since they have only been available in Brass up to this time. The lettering on the 1941 run cars and locomotives will probably be Southern Pacific Lines which was only used for about two or three years after the introduction of the 1941 train. I am hoping they will do a second run with the large post war (1946) lettering and move the number boards to the mid casting position of the GS4 instead of as new up front position. Most of us do not have room for the entire 20 car train.
Tha Intermountain Cab Forward would look good up front for the climb out of of San Luis Obispo. I watched the 4449 go up Cuesta grade a few years ago with the 1984 Daylight train and how great it would be to see a Cab Forward as a helpler.
I am concerned that the production of the model might be based upon reservations and BLI/PCM might have to cancel if the reservations do not add up to a sufficient amount to cover the engineering.
CAZEPHYR
I'm with you, I don't think I could possibly fit a 20-car Daylight comfortably on the Yuba River Sub--the 11-car CZ is about as prototypically long as I can afford to get, LOL! However, I'm thinking that a couple of sets of paired coaches, along with the 3-unit diner and some single coaches might get me a fair representation. Actually, I just need something to keep my brass Balboa GS-4 happy (it's getting tired of pulling Overnight Freights!).
And yes, your idea of using the new BLI AC-12 to help it up Cuesta sounds intriguing. Actually, I've got a lot of pictures of the SP 'Deck' 2-10-2's doing the Daylight helper chores on Cuesta, and it's pretty amazing to watch those 80" drivered GS's being helped up by those smaller-drivered behemoths. Talk about 'Driver Action!'.
If my LHS is any indicator, there will be PLENTY of reservations for the Daylight sets.
I am in the same position as you with two of the Westside Daylights by KTM, identical to the Balboa in almost every way. A twenty car passenger train on most any layout except the largest club layout, is too large to handle. The length of a twenty car passenger train is about the same as a forty car mixed freight train.
In the Daylight book, you can find almost every type of helper for #98 and #99 including the GS4's also with and without steamlining.
CALZEPHYR
Tom View my layout photos! http://s299.photobucket.com/albums/mm310/TWhite-014/Rio%20Grande%20Yuba%20River%20Sub One can NEVER have too many Articulateds!
ETR_500 wrote:I've seen that BLI has released long ago a CZ cars 2nd run.
Did Broadway improve 2nd run cars' quality
What do you think about CZ cars quality and about their running characteristics? Are they close-coupled?
Dear friends,
I've seen that BLI has released long ago a CZ cars 2nd run. Did Broadway improve 2nd run cars' quality....or, however, make some changes in details? What do you think about CZ cars quality and about their running characteristics? Are they close-coupled?
As usual, I say "Thank You"....