QUOTE: Originally posted by NTDN Most are already in weright. only time you may want to add weight is if you've got a car that continually derails and you've ruled out track and wheel problems.
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QUOTE: [i]Originally posted by flee307 Put 1 ounce in each end. FRED
QUOTE: Originally posted by NTDN Actually that'll make it worse to, if you want to add 2 ounces of weight, you'd place it right in the middle between the trucksequal distance from the sides, placing it on the ends will throw it out of wack on curves as one end will be slightly heavier than the other on entering them, thus a derail is prone to happen. Balancing it by putting the weight in the \center of the car evenly distrubutes the weight across the entire car and both trucks, minimizing any dangers of going into curves. Jay. That makes em look terrible if you run doors open as I do. You center 1 ounce over each truck was what I ment but didn't say. I have not found this to cause any problems. FRED Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 10:09 AM Sorry, I don't agree with Jay. I find the best place to put the weight is directly over the trucks themselves...in fact for "house" cars, I use steel washers centered directly over the hole where the truck screw comes up through. As Dave Nelson says, it's a good idea to weight all cars to NMRA standards........[ and I am not an NMRA member, never have been ].....because you get better results under any set of conditions. For instance, if you have well-laid track, all properly gauged metal wheels, and properly installed couplers, and If you CAN NOT back a four or five car train over your whole layout without derailments, including through your sharpest turnouts, crossovers & ladders, you will probably find that bringing your cars up to recommended weight will fix that issue.[:0] Really...I'm serious. This time. Regards Mike[:D] Reply Edit detting Member sinceAugust 2003 From: PRR Mainline 118 posts Posted by detting on Monday, November 17, 2003 10:23 AM I have found that weighting all cars to the NMRA standards helps substantially in any kind of backing operation. If a car is too light, it will tend to derail in a backing operation, especially if it is in the middle of the train. It is best to place light cars at the end of the train - but simplicity says: "If all the cars are weighted to the same standards, it doesn't matter where they go in the train." Most car kits are about an ounce light of the NMRA standards. I am a firm believer in cheaply adding weight to cars - pennies, old bolts, and ziploc bags of gravel have all been used. As for placing the weight, keep it as low as possible in the car. Later... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 11:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307 QUOTE: Originally posted by NTDN Actually that'll make it worse to, if you want to add 2 ounces of weight, you'd place it right in the middle between the trucksequal distance from the sides, placing it on the ends will throw it out of wack on curves as one end will be slightly heavier than the other on entering them, thus a derail is prone to happen. Balancing it by putting the weight in the \center of the car evenly distrubutes the weight across the entire car and both trucks, minimizing any dangers of going into curves. Jay. That makes em look terrible if you run doors open as I do. You center 1 ounce over each truck was what I ment but didn't say. I have not found this to cause any problems. FRED Ah that makes more sense, Over the truxcks works well, but if toy center it in the car, you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good. Mike I thought he wanted them in the far extremes, not over the trucks, over the trucks or in the center is best. Thanks, Jay. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 12:37 PM QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good [:)][:)][:)]Well, I got answer for that too, no self respecting railroad would leave the doors open with freight in them. That and their insurance company would cancel them. FRED Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307 QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good [:)][:)][:)]Well, I got answer for that too, no self respecting railroad would leave the doors open with freight in them. That and their insurance company would cancel them. FRED well by the same token, they wouldn't run with them open either, Insurance would kill them if a stowaway fell out and died. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:31 PM They use to be on their own and as a child I remember lots of boxcars running 60 mph with the doors wide open, but never with freight. I also don't know about today, we need someone who really knows to answer, but if you are riding illegally and fall off can you sue the railroad. I would say no because a criminal can't profit from a crime, but the law may be different. FRED Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 4:31 PM Good question, flee307, but in recent times the victum has been sued by the perpetrator and won on several occassions. I have not noticed any open boxcar doors in recent times, but then boxcars are not as numerous as they once were. Ed Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 5:30 PM well speaking as one with a house with a line running past it, I've seen dozens of boxcars go by, but never opened. I believe they probably were forced to make sure they stayed closed for the exact reason of liablity, just don't know when they started to do it. 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Actually that'll make it worse to, if you want to add 2 ounces of weight, you'd place it right in the middle between the trucksequal distance from the sides, placing it on the ends will throw it out of wack on curves as one end will be slightly heavier than the other on entering them, thus a derail is prone to happen. Balancing it by putting the weight in the \center of the car evenly distrubutes the weight across the entire car and both trucks, minimizing any dangers of going into curves. Jay.
QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307 QUOTE: Originally posted by NTDN Actually that'll make it worse to, if you want to add 2 ounces of weight, you'd place it right in the middle between the trucksequal distance from the sides, placing it on the ends will throw it out of wack on curves as one end will be slightly heavier than the other on entering them, thus a derail is prone to happen. Balancing it by putting the weight in the \center of the car evenly distrubutes the weight across the entire car and both trucks, minimizing any dangers of going into curves. Jay. That makes em look terrible if you run doors open as I do. You center 1 ounce over each truck was what I ment but didn't say. I have not found this to cause any problems. FRED Ah that makes more sense, Over the truxcks works well, but if toy center it in the car, you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good. Mike I thought he wanted them in the far extremes, not over the trucks, over the trucks or in the center is best. Thanks, Jay. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 12:37 PM QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good [:)][:)][:)]Well, I got answer for that too, no self respecting railroad would leave the doors open with freight in them. That and their insurance company would cancel them. FRED Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307 QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good [:)][:)][:)]Well, I got answer for that too, no self respecting railroad would leave the doors open with freight in them. That and their insurance company would cancel them. FRED well by the same token, they wouldn't run with them open either, Insurance would kill them if a stowaway fell out and died. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:31 PM They use to be on their own and as a child I remember lots of boxcars running 60 mph with the doors wide open, but never with freight. I also don't know about today, we need someone who really knows to answer, but if you are riding illegally and fall off can you sue the railroad. I would say no because a criminal can't profit from a crime, but the law may be different. FRED Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 4:31 PM Good question, flee307, but in recent times the victum has been sued by the perpetrator and won on several occassions. I have not noticed any open boxcar doors in recent times, but then boxcars are not as numerous as they once were. Ed Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 17, 2003 5:30 PM well speaking as one with a house with a line running past it, I've seen dozens of boxcars go by, but never opened. I believe they probably were forced to make sure they stayed closed for the exact reason of liablity, just don't know when they started to do it. Reply Edit Subscriber & Member Login Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more! Login Register Users Online There are no community member online Search the Community ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT ADVERTISEMENT Model Railroader Newsletter See all Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox! Sign up
QUOTE: Originally posted by NTDN Actually that'll make it worse to, if you want to add 2 ounces of weight, you'd place it right in the middle between the trucksequal distance from the sides, placing it on the ends will throw it out of wack on curves as one end will be slightly heavier than the other on entering them, thus a derail is prone to happen. Balancing it by putting the weight in the \center of the car evenly distrubutes the weight across the entire car and both trucks, minimizing any dangers of going into curves. Jay. That makes em look terrible if you run doors open as I do. You center 1 ounce over each truck was what I ment but didn't say. I have not found this to cause any problems. FRED
QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good
QUOTE: Originally posted by flee307 QUOTE: you can disguise it as frieght as well, so with those doors open it looks good [:)][:)][:)]Well, I got answer for that too, no self respecting railroad would leave the doors open with freight in them. That and their insurance company would cancel them. FRED