alco_fan wrote: trainfreek92 wrote:Thanxs Pcarrel will do And Alco fan thats MEC not NEC................ I have that unit.OK, then I guess I am the one who's confused. You said your era was 50s to early 80s and in the original post you were complaining about no B&M or MEC.Now it seems you want NEC, which didn't exist until 1995, so far as I know. (But I could be wrong)Good luck with your railroad ... whatever it may be.
trainfreek92 wrote:Thanxs Pcarrel will do And Alco fan thats MEC not NEC................ I have that unit.
OK, then I guess I am the one who's confused. You said your era was 50s to early 80s and in the original post you were complaining about no B&M or MEC.
Now it seems you want NEC, which didn't exist until 1995, so far as I know. (But I could be wrong)
Good luck with your railroad ... whatever it may be.
Haha I have decided to finish my current layout, make it modern day Green Mountain, NECR, CSX, P&W and Guilford. Then build a MEC/B&M/BAR/CP/CV layout. Good luck with your RR also
trainfreek92 wrote: I looked at all N scale Atlas GP 38s no NEC? My LHS said they made one but I cant seem to find it. So does any body no any good sites for the MEC and B&M Mountain divisions? Thanxs
I looked at all N scale Atlas GP 38s no NEC? My LHS said they made one but I cant seem to find it. So does any body no any good sites for the MEC and B&M Mountain divisions? Thanxs
I just posted this yesterday
alco_fan wrote: http://www.atlasrr.com/NLoco/ngp38early.htm
http://www.atlasrr.com/NLoco/ngp38early.htm
And someone else in the thread posted where there is one for sale at a LHS.
Bapou wrote:My bad I still dont think that the NEC has plain GP38's. I ment in prototype not how Atlas makes them sorry for any confusion.
Nope, still don't think that's right. MEC roster shows a number of GP38s
http://www.trainweb.org/trains/MECROS.HTM
A number of photos of these are easily found on the net. Including this one
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr0604/mec251.jpg
grayfox1119 wrote: MIKELHH: Mike, go to my web pictures at the bottom of my reply. I have some pictures that I took of the Guilford ( formerly B&M ) yard in South Deerfield, Ma., I was at my LHS last week and he has some Guilford cars, and the new PamAm cars.
MIKELHH: Mike, go to my web pictures at the bottom of my reply. I have some pictures that I took of the Guilford ( formerly B&M ) yard in South Deerfield, Ma.,
I was at my LHS last week and he has some Guilford cars, and the new PamAm cars.
Thanks Dick! I LOVE pics of the Deerfield yard. One day, if I can get enough good views of it, I hope to scratchbuild the signal tower [in its defunct state] I also intend to have some snow, along with a yet-to-be-repainted SFSD24 and some old Boston & Maine blue diesels plus that grounded caboose! - will hopefully make for quite a nostalgic setup.
Thanks for sharing the pics.
Mike
Modelling the UK in 00, and New England - MEC, B&M, D&H and Guilford - in H0
Dave-the-Train,Heh. "Conrailland"? LOL They actually had little rail in N.E. compared to the rest of the New England RR's. Besides, we natives tend to think anything headquartered in Philly as one of those interesting western companies that have little to do with us. I suppose now we're in "CSXland"...but we're also in "Pan Am-land" (Guilford), "New England Centralia" (CV), "Montreal, Maine, and Atlantica" (BAR), "Providence & Worcestoria", and "Amtrakland", etc.
Paul A. Cutler III************Weather Or No Go New Haven************
Bapou wrote:I think the N scale NEC GP38 must Realy be a GP38-2 because last I checkd they only had Gp38-2's in the Geep38 series. .
A 20-second search of the atlas website suggests that you are wrong.
Bapou wrote:Im surprised that you dont know that in America Guilford is one of the most hated rr's
Not going into that senseless issue, but don't go assuming I don't know.
You should try modelling New England while living in Australia! Suitable locos aren't even imported here.
I'd love Atlas to produce an SW9 for my Guilford yard - looks like it'll be a long wait. One of these days I might have to resort to the spray can.
[Cannoli you have a PM]
What I'm finding to be an even harder task is to find (affordable) accurate HO steam in the New England roads. I have thought on and off about converting my B&M based HO layout to steam from it's current 70's theme but the good stuff is just to expensive or the cheaper stuff, such as the MDC locos, aren't anything the prototypes they are supposed to resemble, i.e. the new 2-6-0. For now, I'm sticking with my diesel roster.
Most of my B&M locos are custom painted Athearn's that I picked up shells for on ebay and put them on existing Athearn chasis.
Someone mentioned the difficulties finding an Erie caboose, same goes for the B&M. Bowser makes a PRR N5, in both the B&M blue and maroon schemes but that's about it, at least from what I've been able to find.
Modeling the fictional B&M Dowe, NH branch in the early 50's.
(Don't take this too hard... you should hear the way we Old Englanders squabble with our neighbours...)
I think that you meant to give me this link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England#Dominion_of_New_England
Anyway, I've worked it out now... You mean "Conrailland" don't you? (Until it was sold off recently...)
Surely the answer to the original post is to paint it blue and put a buzz saw on the side?
[Just to redress the balance... The Archangel Gabriel went to see God while God was designing the world. Gabriel was impressed but got a bit worried about a small country at the top end of an island in the northern hemisphere. "Excuse me God, What's going on here"? "What's wrong"? said God. "Well, um, no disrespect, but hasn't this country got rather a lot of good things"? God looked where he was pointing. "Oh. Scotland. What about it"? "Well it's got beautiful lakes, mountains, lochs, eagles, deer, heather clad hillsides {Glasgow} and so much. Isn't that a bit unequal". "No". Said God. "It's compensation... You haven't seen who they've got for neighbours yet"! Oops the {} bit sort of slipped in.]
Being right up in the North East is New England a bit like Jordie-land here?
I'm glad you're only semi-serious... much healthier
[The BIG joke is on England really... Scotland, Wales and Ulster (when they stop argueing) get their regional governments as well as Westminster. The Isle of Man and the Channel Islands have their own unique arrangements as well as Westminster... so do Gibraltar and the Falkland Islands and we just get stuck with Westminster... in which the "big three" all get a big voice to tell us what to do ].
Dave-the-Train,We New Englanders take our area in a semi-serious way, which consists of Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Sure, there's no New England government or anything like that anymore, but there are many groups, including things like sports teams (see: New England Patriots, Boston Red Sox, etc....even the Boston Celtics used to play some home games in Hartford, CT) that tend to bind us a bit together vs. the rest of the country (specifically, New York).
For more information than I can possible provide, see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_EnglandNeedless to say, the PRR never was in New England...the closest it got was Penn Station in New York City...until the Penn Central merger (and that's not PRR...not really).
Paul3 wrote: trainfreek92,The main problem for N-scale is that Kato doesn't even know what is and isn't New England. My example is when someone on the Atlas Forum went to the Kato booth at the Big E (Springfield, MA) show a few years back, and asked them why they didn't offer B&M RDC's as it would be nice if Kato did some New England railroads. The Kato USA rep. replied that they had just covered New England railroads by releasing some PRR F-units... Yikes!The main reason why the NH stuff gets made is because the NH, while small, ran through some of the most dense population centers in North America while connecting three state capitals to one of the largest cities in the world. Sure, the ATSF, SP, etc. all were far longer, but most of their milage goes through population zones of about .001 person per mile (that's a made up figure...obviously).The B&M just kind of went from Boston to...not much. Yes, they had connector service to Montreal, but the B&M had really only one major, big time city that it served...and it shared that with the B&A and NH. The MEC has the same problems, except that it's based out of Portland, ME...and that's not exactly on par with Boston.The BAR, while famous for it's "State of Maine" cars, is even more in the hinterlands.The NEC/CV went from Montreal to...New London (not exactly a booming business even in the old days). If they had built the SNE, then it would have made a world of difference as they would have had a line to Providence. But it never happened thanks to the Titanic.The point I'm making here is that there were a millions of people every day that saw the NH come through one town or another which translates to more fans spending more money on the hobby. The other New England roads weren't as fortunate.Paul A. Cutler III************Weather Or No Go New Haven************
trainfreek92,The main problem for N-scale is that Kato doesn't even know what is and isn't New England. My example is when someone on the Atlas Forum went to the Kato booth at the Big E (Springfield, MA) show a few years back, and asked them why they didn't offer B&M RDC's as it would be nice if Kato did some New England railroads. The Kato USA rep. replied that they had just covered New England railroads by releasing some PRR F-units... Yikes!
The main reason why the NH stuff gets made is because the NH, while small, ran through some of the most dense population centers in North America while connecting three state capitals to one of the largest cities in the world. Sure, the ATSF, SP, etc. all were far longer, but most of their milage goes through population zones of about .001 person per mile (that's a made up figure...obviously).
The B&M just kind of went from Boston to...not much. Yes, they had connector service to Montreal, but the B&M had really only one major, big time city that it served...and it shared that with the B&A and NH.
The MEC has the same problems, except that it's based out of Portland, ME...and that's not exactly on par with Boston.
The BAR, while famous for it's "State of Maine" cars, is even more in the hinterlands.
The NEC/CV went from Montreal to...New London (not exactly a booming business even in the old days). If they had built the SNE, then it would have made a world of difference as they would have had a line to Providence. But it never happened thanks to the Titanic.
The point I'm making here is that there were a millions of people every day that saw the NH come through one town or another which translates to more fans spending more money on the hobby. The other New England roads weren't as fortunate.
Paul you seem to make a lot of sense. I may not want what your saying to be the truth but Sadly it is.... I am not switching to Ho, even with the small number of cars out there I can still have more fun for me in N scale. I have been working on my current layout but I only need a few more locos and cars to fill the layout so you say whats the big deal right?? Well I was planning to build a realistic Pennsy RR layout also once I was done my current RR. I am now thinking about making a mainly MEC/B&M mountain division layout and with my current rr modeling a present day layout based on Western Mass/ Vermont (not realistic) with Green Mountain trains. New England RR trains P&W trains,CSX trains and a few NS trains. My current layout is all flat and only desinged to run one train in one direction!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to make it look good but for a MEC layout I want something realistic. Thanxs for the ebay info I wish Kato would look at a map sometimes Phillip no problem no ones perfect! Tim
trainfreek92 wrote:Haha sorry about the SP thing but I get annoyed when they make a million western roads