Ok this is the last time were gonna say it!

[Anonymous]

Its called On30! Not On 2-1/2.

Now that were getting a new 2-8-0 from Broadway Limited as well as other nifty locos and rolling stock coming down the pike I feel the time has come to call you guys (at MR) out and get our chosen scale the proper name it deserves. Its called On30. See...that didn't hurt one bit. Did it?

Trust me you don't want the rest of On30 Conspiracy coming over here and hanging around looking for trouble...[}:)]

Remember On30 is funner...[:D]

Thanks for a great magazine,
Swampthing

"Did you ever feel like the whole world is a black tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes?"
George Gobel

[Anonymous]

Its called On30! Not On 2-1/2.

Now that were getting a new 2-8-0 from Broadway Limited as well as other nifty locos and rolling stock coming down the pike I feel the time has come to call you guys (at MR) out and get our chosen scale the proper name it deserves. Its called On30. See...that didn't hurt one bit. Did it?

Trust me you don't want the rest of On30 Conspiracy coming over here and hanging around looking for trouble...[}:)]

Remember On30 is funner...[:D]

Thanks for a great magazine,
Swampthing

"Did you ever feel like the whole world is a black tuxedo and you're a pair of brown shoes?"
George Gobel

[Anonymous]

Be strong, Swampthing, it's never easy to fight for the nomenclature of your choice.
Years ago, I used to dabble in H0n36, but everyone else in the hobby insisted on calling it HOn3, so I dropped out of it.[;)][:D]

Way back in time, the origin of "O" was not a letter, it was a number, and it was not a scale, it was a gauge..."0" was the next size down from #1 gauge, and was expressed as "ought". This was across the pond, and "ought gauge" used a scale of 7mm.
However, in the USA, the number 0 was usually expressed as "zero", and in many cases, ( especially for telephone numbers )as "oh"...from whence the letter came to be substituted for the number.
The scales used over here for O gauge have varied a lot as well, not at all limited to the rather incorrect scale for the gauge, of 1/48.

So the main thing is to enjoy your scale and gauge, even if some dinosaur like me might call it 1/4 n 2 1/2, ( but only in jest, or a moment of weakness ).[8D]
regards \ Mike

[Anonymous]

Be strong, Swampthing, it's never easy to fight for the nomenclature of your choice.
Years ago, I used to dabble in H0n36, but everyone else in the hobby insisted on calling it HOn3, so I dropped out of it.[;)][:D]

Way back in time, the origin of "O" was not a letter, it was a number, and it was not a scale, it was a gauge..."0" was the next size down from #1 gauge, and was expressed as "ought". This was across the pond, and "ought gauge" used a scale of 7mm.
However, in the USA, the number 0 was usually expressed as "zero", and in many cases, ( especially for telephone numbers )as "oh"...from whence the letter came to be substituted for the number.
The scales used over here for O gauge have varied a lot as well, not at all limited to the rather incorrect scale for the gauge, of 1/48.

So the main thing is to enjoy your scale and gauge, even if some dinosaur like me might call it 1/4 n 2 1/2, ( but only in jest, or a moment of weakness ).[8D]
regards \ Mike

[BR60103]

I call it OnHO, to go with HOnN. [:D]

[BR60103]

I call it OnHO, to go with HOnN. [:D]

[on30francisco]

Right on! It's called On30!

[on30francisco]

Right on! It's called On30!

[CNJ831]

Swampthing - If the far longer established O modeling scale representing a railroad with a 36" gauge is universally recognized as On3 (the "3" being a measurement taken in feet), then it is absolutely logical to call a scale representing a 30" gauge as On2 1/2. Based on the established scale of On3 and taken literally, On30 suggests a gauge of 30 feet. Mixing the representation of terms (feet and inches) only serves to confuse, not clarify, the situation.

CNJ831

[CNJ831]

Swampthing - If the far longer established O modeling scale representing a railroad with a 36" gauge is universally recognized as On3 (the "3" being a measurement taken in feet), then it is absolutely logical to call a scale representing a 30" gauge as On2 1/2. Based on the established scale of On3 and taken literally, On30 suggests a gauge of 30 feet. Mixing the representation of terms (feet and inches) only serves to confuse, not clarify, the situation.

CNJ831

[fec153]

Gobel said that on the Tonight show and Carson cracked up. I think Bob Hope and another comic was on the same show and that is why he made that comment.
Phil

[fec153]

Gobel said that on the Tonight show and Carson cracked up. I think Bob Hope and another comic was on the same show and that is why he made that comment.
Phil

[Catt]

The scale is called 0n30 gentle folk.Get over it. :) Only Model Railroader and a few diehards will call it 0n2 1/2.

[Catt]

The scale is called 0n30 gentle folk.Get over it. :) Only Model Railroader and a few diehards will call it 0n2 1/2.

[Anonymous]

Swampthing, You can call it On30, I'm going to call it OughtN2.5.

[Anonymous]

Swampthing, You can call it On30, I'm going to call it OughtN2.5.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CNJ831

Swampthing - If the far longer established O modeling scale representing a railroad with a 36" gauge is universally recognized as On3 (the "3" being a measurement taken in feet), then it is absolutely logical to call a scale representing a 30" gauge as On2 1/2. Based on the established scale of On3 and taken literally, On30 suggests a gauge of 30 feet. Mixing the representation of terms (feet and inches) only serves to confuse, not clarify, the situation.

CNJ831

This is an interesting Subject. The Standards were established many years ago and named so we would all benefit from having good operation. The names of the scales came along, but I am not sure exactly how they were named. I know the information that CNJ831 stated is true and the general rule naming narrow gauge was in feet, like On3 means O scale, Narrow gauge, three feet. I believe this is true, correct me if I am wrong.

MR is just staying with the standards that were established and I respect them for that stand on this subject.

In the real world view, you can call any scale anything you want as the importers have started this new scale and will probably continue to make trains and cars to enhance the hobby. I thought it was interesting when I first say the products, but was curious about the looks of this scale running on HO track.

I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CNJ831

Swampthing - If the far longer established O modeling scale representing a railroad with a 36" gauge is universally recognized as On3 (the "3" being a measurement taken in feet), then it is absolutely logical to call a scale representing a 30" gauge as On2 1/2. Based on the established scale of On3 and taken literally, On30 suggests a gauge of 30 feet. Mixing the representation of terms (feet and inches) only serves to confuse, not clarify, the situation.

CNJ831

This is an interesting Subject. The Standards were established many years ago and named so we would all benefit from having good operation. The names of the scales came along, but I am not sure exactly how they were named. I know the information that CNJ831 stated is true and the general rule naming narrow gauge was in feet, like On3 means O scale, Narrow gauge, three feet. I believe this is true, correct me if I am wrong.

MR is just staying with the standards that were established and I respect them for that stand on this subject.

In the real world view, you can call any scale anything you want as the importers have started this new scale and will probably continue to make trains and cars to enhance the hobby. I thought it was interesting when I first say the products, but was curious about the looks of this scale running on HO track.

I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

[Junctionfan]

What is GnHOz?

[Junctionfan]

What is GnHOz?

[Paul W. Beverung]

Juctionfan; That would be a large train with a great sence of balance.

Paul

[Paul W. Beverung]

Juctionfan; That would be a large train with a great sence of balance.

Paul

[Fergmiester]

Oh!
I thought it was another fringe political party. Oh well goes top show you that there is room for all of us despite what scale we choose. Personally I think ON3O would make the perfect garden layout scale.

Regards
Fergie

[Fergmiester]

Oh!
I thought it was another fringe political party. Oh well goes top show you that there is room for all of us despite what scale we choose. Personally I think ON3O would make the perfect garden layout scale.

Regards
Fergie

[DSchmitt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1
[I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

A poster to this thread
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=-1&TOPIC_ID=22372&REPLY_ID=212879#212879
sates that Atlas code 100 is closer to somw pre WW1 narrow gauge track than the track made specifficly for On30.

[DSchmitt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1
[I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

A poster to this thread
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=-1&TOPIC_ID=22372&REPLY_ID=212879#212879
sates that Atlas code 100 is closer to somw pre WW1 narrow gauge track than the track made specifficly for On30.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt

QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1
[I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

DSchmitt Reply

A poster to this thread
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=-1&TOPIC_ID=22372&REPLY_ID=212879#212879
sates that Atlas code 100 is closer to somw pre WW1 narrow gauge track than the track made specifficly for On30.

Thank you for the answer about the track and the web pages you listed are interesting to say the least. I may build a switching shell layout for my office with one of the BLI engines. The ties could be laid separately after removing most of the HO scale ties, leaving only one tie every few inches to hold the gauge while the new ties are attached. Would code 83 or code 70 rail be more correct for this size or is it too small??

Thank you

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt

QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1
[I have a question about the track. If you use HO track, what do you do about the ties? Do they make what you call On30" track? I have seen the locomotives and they look good, but what track are you using for your layout?

My point is the importer companies make this scale up so they could sell products to a larger market and now they have to furnish scale track much like the On3 that was always available, but probably at a higher price. They could have just produced the engines in On3 and probably sold more engines as they have a smaller market to work with if it is divided.

Jus some questions about the new market and how you are using them on layouts.

DSchmitt Reply

A poster to this thread
http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=-1&TOPIC_ID=22372&REPLY_ID=212879#212879
sates that Atlas code 100 is closer to somw pre WW1 narrow gauge track than the track made specifficly for On30.

Thank you for the answer about the track and the web pages you listed are interesting to say the least. I may build a switching shell layout for my office with one of the BLI engines. The ties could be laid separately after removing most of the HO scale ties, leaving only one tie every few inches to hold the gauge while the new ties are attached. Would code 83 or code 70 rail be more correct for this size or is it too small??

Thank you

[bogeys]

Re: George Gobel quote- It was indeed delivered on the Tonight Show. Also present were Dean Martin and the Tea Time lady. I think it was Carson's best show ever. Dean kept flicking his cigarette ashes into Gobel's beer cup. This caused the audience to break into laughter every time Gobel took a sip. Hence the quote.

[bogeys]

Re: George Gobel quote- It was indeed delivered on the Tonight Show. Also present were Dean Martin and the Tea Time lady. I think it was Carson's best show ever. Dean kept flicking his cigarette ashes into Gobel's beer cup. This caused the audience to break into laughter every time Gobel took a sip. Hence the quote.