Ford make's a train?

[route_rock]

Chevy guy here and I want one. I like the looks. Would I pay 100 grand? Hell no! So heres the deal. Light blue and white chevy with the R logo on the tailgate! Or my favorite idea so far. Black and graphite with a painting of a RI 5000 series on the tailgate, toolbox to hold my two very large compressor tanks and that big steam whistle out at Iowa 80 truck stop hooked up in the bed!! Compressor on the motor ( a large hopped up diesel) and I will show you something that will smoke that super chief! Ok am over it now calling my local chevy dealer.
BTW it was the Rock that had the best passenger trains! Let the arguing continue LOL Better yet lets compare more. Blue Comet,RoyalBLue,Challenger, Portland Rose, Hiawatha,Zephyr,Abe Lincoln,Sunset Limited, and Motor car train 936! Sheesh guys give it up everyone had their personal favorites. Chief hauled movie stars to the Windy and then the Century and Broadway competed for buisness to NYC.Simple as that.

[Anonymous]

My 94 Ranger is due to turn over 270,000 on the orgininal engine and I get 25mpg with 4X4 and AC, I'm happy with that.

[Budliner]

ford sead it wants to prove theres a market for a $100,000 truck
locomotive look and hydrogen power
we sent this pickup to charm school

the inside is awsom
K

[marknewton]

QUOTE: Originally posted by andrechapelon

I hate to support Mark Newton on anything

Then don't.
I didn't think you were as childish as this silly comment would suggest.

Mark.

[Budliner]

andrechapelon
santa fe PA all the way


K

[Anonymous]

Guys Guys, Settle down, NH ran on a extremely busy route, ATSF was not that busy but it had a longer route to run on. IMO They where both good trains.

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

Riiiiiight....

To paraphrase Paul Hogan in "Crocodile Dundee".........

That's not an ALCO PA.

THIS is an ALCO PA:

Andre

[Budliner]

had to be on time
bostonian's get violent


K

[David_Telesha]

Riiiiiight....



SF can TAKE A SEAT to the NH.





Scabby old Pullmans my foot.

The post War cars are even better.

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

What does the distance it traveled or the grades on the line have to do with the train itself???

If you needed to go from America's major East coast cities of New York City and Boston - there was only 1 way, on the NH. The Merchants was traveled by business people and dignitaries alike.

Despite anything else, the New Haven was the 3rd largest carrier of passengers in North America.

Route size does not matter. Remember QUALITY (NH) NOT QUANITY (SF).

No, the quality goes to SF, not NH.

SF carried fewer passengers. SF carried them farther. AND...they did it with STYLE. [:D]

Andre

[David_Telesha]

That is because it was known for on-time performance.

It just about always arrived within 2-3 minutes of scheduled time.

The time it arrived/departed at stations, passed signal towers, etc., was recorded hour, minute, second.

Don't forget there is a large volume of trains between NY and NH including the NYC at Park Avenue where the NH merges to go into GCT.

I don't know about the desert, but when you can get a train ontime through one of the busiest corridors in the US it is no small feat.

[csmith9474]

When you mentioned the schedule being maintained within seconds, it makes a huge difference.

[David_Telesha]

What does the distance it traveled or the grades on the line have to do with the train itself???

If you needed to go from America's major East coast cities of New York City and Boston - there was only 1 way, on the NH. The Merchants was traveled by business people and dignitaries alike.

Despite anything else, the New Haven was the 3rd largest carrier of passengers in North America.

Route size does not matter. Remember QUALITY (NH) NOT QUANITY (SF).

[andrechapelon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

QUOTE: Originally posted by marknewton

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

As a matter of fact they were more luxurious and any one traveling in the Northeast knew them.

"As a matter of fact" - a phrase that usually means; "Here is my uninformed opinion, which I'm presenting as fact."

The NH's trains weren't as well appointed as the Santa Fe's, nor were they as well known throughout the US and the rest of the world.

Oh I'm so sorry the Merhchants Ltd make the Chief look like second class.

Are you really disputing it was 100% Pullman Parlor (and two diners), and its time was kept in seconds?

Attacking the phrase some one uses is usually cover for "I'm superior, I know it all, don't bother me with the facts.".

On top of that I never said NH trains where known throughout the US and World. Niether was the Chief.

I said NH trains were known to everyone and anyone traveling in the Northeast - just as nobody but people traveling in the midwest/west gave a hoot about the SF.

I hate to support Mark Newton on anything, but while the Merchants Limited may have been a classy train, it was a relatively short distance one. The "Chief", "Super Chief", "El Capitan", etc. were LONG distance trains.

And the "Super Chief" was all Pullman from the get-go running the 2200+ miles from Chicago to LA on a schedule of 39 3/4 hours. That's an average of of better than 55 MPH for that distance. In the process, it had to climb Raton Pass on a ruling grade in excess of 3%.

Eastbound, the "Super Chief" faced Cajon Pass, the sawtooth profile between Barstow and Needles (multiple ascents and descents), followed by 141 miles of ascending grade (ruling grade 1.4%) from the Colorado River crossing to (IIRC) Williams, AZ. Out of Albuqueque, it had to face the climb up Raton.

Need I mention the Fred Harvey Cuisine in the diner or the Turquoise lounge?

According to http://www.fra.dot.gov/us/content/643 (page down), the "Merchants Limited" ran from New York to Boston (231 miles) in 4 hours. Hmm. That's about 57.5 MPH for roughly 1/10th the distance of the "Super Chief" traveled. And it was done pretty much on a gradeless line

The "Chief" and later the "Super Chief" was THE way to travel from Chicago to LA, just as the "Twentieth Century Limited" was THE way to go between NYC and Chicago.

Andre

[csmith9474]

It is tough to really justify a comparison of a transcon to a train that ran from NY to Boston, as far as time goes. I am waiting for the Lego "Merchant's Limited" now.

[Budliner]

FORD=full of rusty dents

K

[cwclark]

now you know why ford has to lay off all those workers.....poor quality and what an ugly truck....what was that?..Ford = Found On the Road Dead ...or was that?...FORD = Fix Or Repair Daily?

[marknewton]

The fishing's good around here...plenty of bites.

[David_Telesha]

Hey Mark,

Here is a list of what you posted. I see no FACTS what so ever.

Go ahead, keep flaming away. It only makes you look bad.

QUOTE: LOL!

Good on yer, David! The New Haven's name trains were much more luxurious and much better known, weren't they?

Oh, they weren't?

Toodle-loo,

Mark.
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"As a matter of fact" - a phrase that usually means; "Here is my uninformed opinion, which I'm presenting as fact."

The NH's trains weren't as well appointed as the Santa Fe's, nor were they as well known throughout the US and the rest of the world.
------------------------------

That's opinion, not fact.

Big deal. Some scabby old Pullman cars don't compare to modern streamliners. Or are you really claiming old Pullmans were more luxurious?

Proof?

That's you in a nutshell, Davo. You haven't posted any facts yet, only opinion and hearsay. So my "attacks", as you call them, are justified.

Wrong. The AT&SF and its name trains are very well known outside the US. I'm proof of that, living as I do in the backblocks of Australia . The NH isn't.

Toodle-loo,

Mark.

[David_Telesha]

Mark, you haven't posted any facts at all. NOT EVEN 1.

Fact: The Pullmans were not scabby, they were exclusive for this train, which shows how little you know.

Fact: PULLMAN Stainless steel cars appeared on the Merchants in 1947/8 - same consist.

You want proof of time keeping, ask a retired conductor or tower operator and look at the records. Have you?

FACT: And Mark, the NHRHTA has members in Canada, England, The Isle of Man, and I do believe Australia too.

What facts have you posted???

[RoyalOaker]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overdurff

Royal Oaker is obviously a long suffering fan of Bill Ford and the Lions of Detroit infamy!!!
We all share the PAIN!
Will

38 years of suffering and I am still a fan of the Lions. but, there is always hope for the next season.[:p]

Someone wanted to know if Landrover was still owned by Ford and the answer is Yes. They own Landrover, Astin Martin, Jaguar and have a controlling role in Mazda.

[marknewton]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

Oh I'm so sorry the Merhchants Ltd make the Chief look like second class.

That's opinion, not fact.

QUOTE: Are you really disputing it was 100% Pullman Parlor (and two diners)

Big deal. Some scabby old Pullman cars don't compare to modern streamliners. Or are you really claiming old Pullmans were more luxurious?

QUOTE: and its time was kept in seconds?

Proof?

QUOTE: Attacking the phrase some one uses is usually cover for "I'm superior, I know it all, don't bother me with the facts.".

That's you in a nutshell, Davo. You haven't posted any facts yet, only opinion and hearsay. So my "attacks", as you call them, are justified.

QUOTE: On top of that I never said NH trains where known throughout the US and World. Niether was the Chief.

Wrong. The AT&SF and its name trains are very well known outside the US. I'm proof of that, living as I do in the backblocks of Australia . The NH isn't.

Toodle-loo,

Mark.

[Budliner]

closing down 4 plants and laying off 35000 workers

ouch

[TrainFreak409]

That's a BIG truck. I'll take one.[:D] Wouldn't mind having some hy-railers on it either.

When they say that they draw inspiration from the train, they are probably referring to the interior. The size of the nose maybe as well...Since it has what looks like a higher than normal hood, like F units did.

Fords are great cars. Any car that can stand up to my father must be a great car...For example; our Aspire kept running after it had struck about six deer, went off the road, and rear ended a truck.

I'd rather push a Ford, than drive a Chevy.[:p]

[twcenterprises]

As far as trademarks and such goes, I am fairly sure Ford has taken all the legal steps before using any name for a vehicle. I mean, they have a whole team of lawyers on retainer for just such things.

That is an Uugg-llyy piece of hardware, and a terrible waste of metal, plastic, fiberglass, and rubber. And who says the SSR is an ugly vehicle? A bit overpriced, retro early '50's version of the El Camino, perhaps. Give me a GM vehicle any day.

BTW, did anyone know, that Ford assembly plant switchers were actually GE products? For those of you who have the book "Diesel locomotives: the first 50 years", look on page 151. There's what looks like the builder's photo. Not a bad looking switcher. Ford had 8 of these.

It's interesting to note that Ford has not ventured into the locomotive, heavy equipment (bulldozer), or diesel engine markets. GM has by way of EMD, Terex, and Detriot Diesel, respectively. Ford, Dodge, and GM have all built medium and heavy highway trucks at some point in the past. OTOH, Ford has built farm tractors and similar size tractors, but not their own diesel engines for their trucks. That's why Detroit Diesel was named, so GM engines could be used in other brands of trucks (not just Ford; International used them, too) without advertising a different brand whenever someone opened the hood. Ford uses the Powerstroke engine, which is actually made by International (Navistar), has been for like 25 years. I think I read somewhere (MR perhaps) that Ford is the only company that has a glass plant large enough to make all the glass used in US auto manufacturing today, but they sell it under names like Owens-Corning, Guardian, and so-on for the same reasons.

OK so Ford made the Pinto, Edsel, and a few others, but what about GM making the Vega, Monza, Citation, Chevette, Sprint, the early 700R4 transmissions, and some of their other "duds"? What about the Chrysler/Dodge Daytona (early 80's), Aries, and many other early 80's front wheel drives? Truth is all of them have produced some clunkers over the years, and they all have produced some winners.

So, to get back to trains, that thing doesn't look like a Super Chief to me. I don't see anything "super" about it at all. Doesn't even remind me of a RR passenger car. Maybe if they put some fluted stainless steel siding on it..........some end doors with diaphragms............Pull it around with an F7....................

Brad

[dinwitty]

drawing inspiration, and thats where it quits..

hooboy

[Anonymous]

Royal Oaker is obviously a long suffering fan of Bill Ford and the Lions of Detroit infamy!!!
We all share the PAIN!
Will

[David_Telesha]

QUOTE: Originally posted by marknewton

QUOTE: Originally posted by David_Telesha

As a matter of fact they were more luxurious and any one traveling in the Northeast knew them.

"As a matter of fact" - a phrase that usually means; "Here is my uninformed opinion, which I'm presenting as fact."

The NH's trains weren't as well appointed as the Santa Fe's, nor were they as well known throughout the US and the rest of the world.

Oh I'm so sorry the Merhchants Ltd make the Chief look like second class.

Are you really disputing it was 100% Pullman Parlor (and two diners), and its time was kept in seconds?

Attacking the phrase some one uses is usually cover for "I'm superior, I know it all, don't bother me with the facts.".

On top of that I never said NH trains where known throughout the US and World. Niether was the Chief.

I said NH trains were known to everyone and anyone traveling in the Northeast - just as nobody but people traveling in the midwest/west gave a hoot about the SF.

[Budliner]

Fu(ked over repair dodge

K