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MRR makes no sense!

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Posted by waltersrails on Monday, January 9, 2006 11:38 AM
model post men all ways take the good stuff.
I like NS but CSX has the B&O.
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Posted by canazar on Monday, January 9, 2006 11:25 AM
Well, our LHS just got them 2 days ago. SO maybe on the way. Might b backed up with akkl the holiday sales and credit card statements inthe mail

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 9, 2006 8:35 AM
I received both Model Railroader and Trains several days ago. I have read most of them already. I am in South Ga. I have found have good results by calling the publisher. Good Luck. Phil
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Posted by chateauricher on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:58 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jaimezepeda
It's been years since I subscribed to Trains. However, when I did, both my MR and Trains were delivered in the same plastic envelope. Of course now that no plastic envelope is used to mail MR maybe that is why.

Yours don't come in wrapped in plastic ?!?!?!?! [%-)]

Mine do.
  • Maybe its because MR's Canadian distributor wraps them in plastic; or

  • Maybe its because I'm special. [swg]



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    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, January 8, 2006 12:01 AM
    huh.... that sucks for you guys, i got my issue the 30th
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    Posted by tomkat-13 on Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:54 PM
    Mine came on Tuesday the 3rd and I live in St Louis......
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:43 PM
    QUOTE: Originally posted by trainboyH16-44

    Well, I haven't gotten mine either, and I got my Trains a couple days ago...but I don't really care, as long as it gets here. If it doesn't, I'm thinking the mailman might be a model railroader..

    It's been years since I subscribed to Trains. However, when I did, both my MR and Trains were delivered in the same plastic envelope. Of course now that no plastic envelope is used to mail MR maybe that is why.

    I just received my Feb. MR a couple of days ago. I'm in West TN.

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    Posted by ereimer on Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:40 PM
    normally i buy MR at the local magazine store , i also browse the guitar and computer mags at the same time . MR consistantly arrives there sometime after the 13th of the month preceding the issue date , say the 13th of december for the january issue . this month i happened to be at my LHS on the 4th of january and the february issue was on the shelves ! i don't know if they always get it that early of it was some kind of fluke .

    sorry to hear yours is late . hope it will arrive soon
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    Posted by chateauricher on Saturday, January 7, 2006 10:30 PM
    Will,

    Have you tried phoning them ? You'll probably get faster and better response by phoning their toll-free number. Often emailing a company is not the most efficient way to get information due to the volume of emails, particularly at busy times of the year (like Christmas and New Year's).

    Their Customer Sales and Service number is: 800-533-6644 (8:30am to 5:00pm CT).


    As for slow (late) delivery of your subscription, you're best to complain to the post office. Even though you're on good terms with your mail carrier, the delays could be caused elsewhere in the postal system.


    Timothy The gods must love stupid people; they sure made a lot. The only insanity I suffer from is yours. Some people are so stupid, only surgery can get an idea in their heads.
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:47 PM
    He has no interest in trains we have talked about this before he like beer and cars. But mabye that was just a rouse and he is secretly taking them for his MR empire
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    Posted by Budliner on Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:30 PM
    hmm the mail man
    he is human and cant resist


    k
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:30 PM


    I am on a first name bases with my mailman whom always makes sure I get any mail 1st class or otherwise on the day it arrives and he sorts it for they day on his route he knows I am waiting for this. I realize delays are inevitable but when states like califonia which are further from MRR get theres first it sucks and then add other folks in close poximity get theres it sucks even more like I said I can live with the late delivery even if I am an unhappy camper but I deplore the lack of response on the video questions.
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    Posted by trainboyH16-44 on Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:16 PM
    Well, I haven't gotten mine either, and I got my Trains a couple days ago...but I don't really care, as long as it gets here. If it doesn't, I'm thinking the mailman might be a model railroader..

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    Posted by egmurphy on Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:13 PM
    A ways back Mark Hemphill, who used to be Editor of Trains Magazine, posted a good explanation of the variation in delivery dates of the magazine. Certainly the same principles apply in the case of Model Railroader Magazine. I'll quote his post:

    QUOTE: Mark Hemphill: Here's some info you might not know about magazines and mailing.

    Most magazines are mailed in a very narrow window from the printer -- one to three days, tops. Very large-circulation magazines such as National Geographic and People are printed regionally to obtain lower mailing costs, better delivery consistency, and to be able to sell regional advertising, but most magazines come from one press. The base rate for the typical magazine subscription is via second-class mail, a class that is extremely low-cost because it is handled on a space-available basis and has low service guarantees. The post office moves first-class mail first, then if there's any space left in the truck, or time in the day, it sorts and moves the second-class and lesser-class mail. Because mailing volume is not flat -- it varies widely by day of the week, time of the the month, and time of year -- some days the second-class mail arriving at the post office moves expeditiously and other days it will gather dust for a week while the resources are devoted to meeting the first-class guarantee. Because mail moves on multiple sorts, each step of the process introduces a new opportunity for delay or missed connection. It is not unusual for a second-class mailing to be wildly inconsistent at a given address, especially if that address is at the end of a delivery chain that is badly stressed by growth, insufficient capacity, or poor management at one or more steps of the way. Every delivery chain is different right down to the level of the mail carrier's route. If you get your magazine unusually early, all the cards lined up for you that month. If you get it late, you didn't. If you're having unusually bad delivery, complain to your local post office. But I wouldn't bother complaining to the publisher, because you didn't pay for anything but inconsistent, space-available service.

    There is, according to some sources, a significant subsidy of second-class by first-class mail. Regardless, the recipient cannot expect first-class service for a second-class price! At present, first-class delivery for Trains is an extra $30 per year, which nearly doubles the cost of the product just to obtain consistent delivery dates.

    This is a fun thread for me to look at, because it represents so genuinely the exact situtation between railroads and their customers. Rail customers love the low rates, but they hate the poor service, especially the not-knowing when the shipment will arrive. Well, consistency and dependability cost money -- money for the railroad to buy plant and people that will sit around doing nothing on the slack days, and spring into action on the busy days. That is by far the easiest way to obtain consistency, but it is very expensive. What customers want is good service at low rates. I can't blame them, I want that too, but if they really need it, they might have to pay for it.

    Scheduled service, as it's now practiced by railroads, acknowledges that on many days trains will be run with less-than-full tonnage, and yards and crews will often not be worked to their fullest potential output. The customer is paying for that suboptimization of the transportation machine in order to obtain best optimization of his total logistics chain. The big change, which so far has received almost zero due notice, is NOT that the railroads changed, but that rail customers changed. The relative importance of logistics costs has increased, because many rail customers are squeezing out every possible cost in order to remain in the game. Rising costs of labor, real estate, and inventory (more high-value goods are being sold) has given rail customers more incentive to pay extra for the transportation in order to reduce the cost of other aspects of the logistics chain that are increased by the false economy of a low freight rate. In essence, at the request of the customer, railroads raised their rates in order to offer better service.

    It comes down to "want" vs. "need." Everyone, including me, wants a lot of things. But everyone, including me, doesn't need most things. If I need a magazine (or a boxcar of plywood) delivered on a predictable schedule, I expect to pay extra.

    Some good USPS history and description of operations is here:

    http://www.lookd.com/postal/operations.html



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    Posted by Budliner on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:26 PM
    I ordered a 1 year and did not know I have to wait 3 months to get it
    somthing to do with printing
    kinda stinks I can get all I want at the grossary store
    but new orders can wait
    god forbid dont take one off the shelf
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:10 PM
    I quess I am most annoyed by the lack of response from them on the DVD series I was going to buy it but I will most likly pass now (I hope MRR reads this, they have lost a customer for there DVDs).
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    Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:05 PM
    I got mine on 1 Jan however I still haven't gotton my January issue. Go figure.
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:01 PM
    Tom,

    That makes it even more of a slp in the face (ouch)
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    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:00 PM
    I have gotten mine. I live in Upper Michigan.
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    Posted by Blind Bruce on Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:00 PM
    I do not have mine either. I guess it is due to the holidaze.Maybe it'll come Monday... or Tuesday.... or ......
    BB

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    Posted by tstage on Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:58 PM
    Will,

    Stopped by my LHS on Thursday and the new MR was there. Don't know what the hangup is...

    Tom

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    MRR makes no sense!
    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 7, 2006 6:53 PM
    I live in ohio and still have not gotten my Feb Issue yet others all over the country have. Also I emailed them about the dream it plan it series 7 days ago with no response. They must have more money then they now what to do with and not need any of mine. P!$$ poor service, I am not a happy camper!!!!!

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