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Tsunami help -lights on IHC Mike VERDICT

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:49 PM
Okay, my installer got a reply from Sountraxx and the answer is that trying to half-wave the little bulbs (they are not LEDs) is a no-no with the Tsunami. He said to wire the bulbs in the conventional way, with the blue wire as a common.

I really appreciate you replying so quickly because he and I were not sure that ST would get back in time for Al to fini***he job and to meet me in Nanaimo tomorrow morning. Of course, Soundtraxx did get back. [tup]

Thanks, once again, for your help, everyone. It seems, though, that this thread may not have run its course, there is room to get some things sorted out for the benefit of others..?

Edit -P.S. Forgot to mention that Al says, "I must say that I am very impressed. Very impressed. I won't be installing any more 100LC's."
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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:04 PM
Ignore my last ranting...Now I know why most places dont sell 12V LEDs. Those 12V LEDs are $10.00 a pop! Holy cow that's a lot for one tiny light!

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:51 PM
okay now I'm confused. Why would any one get 1.5V LEDs when 5 and 12V are available. (The higher voltage LEDs have the resistor built in) We use them on bread boards to test circuits here at work which nominally operate at 5 and 12 (And they are tiny)...but then again I haven't seen them anyplace else. Maybe they are a specialty item???

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DigitalGriffin

QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1

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The 680 ohm resistor is added each of the functions, not the common blue wire. If you have the headlight and fire box flicker, two 680 ohm resistors are needed for LED's.


Why would you need a resistor for a 12 Volt LED? Or are you saying a resistor is needed for LED's that have a lower voltage like 5 Volts?



The information relates to LED and 1.5V micro bulbs only that I talked about, but the data came from the Tsunami Installation guide. The Tsunami has a CV for each of the lighting functions and you can select a bulb or LED along with the type of light that is being selected. I do not have any information about a 12v LED but I think Soundtraxx could address the question. The ony ones that I have used up to now will not take the full voltage except for a short test. I am only using the guide as Soundtraxx wrote it so my units are in warranty.

On page 22 of the installation guide, it states the 12v to 16v bulbs are wired direct.

The resistor is called out in the Tsunami installation page 23 and I followed the directions for my installation. It is on the Soundtraxx web page and you can download it. The handout you get with the Tsunami does not show the resistor, but you are warned that any output over 100m amperes will cause damage to the unit. I would think that the 12V bulbs might be too large a load for the drivers.

They indicate a 560 Ohm resistor with a 1.5V bulb also. Soundtraxx has a technical email line and they have emailed me back with related answers. I have talked to them several times with the problem of articulated sound not being prototype. They do not have an answer yet on that one but were doing more testing.


And by the way, the sound is really great overall and the firebox flicker can be programmed to work on its own at random or timed with the exhaust. I choose to use two LED's in the firebox, one on Function five programmed randow style, and a second LED on Function six timed to the exhaust.

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Posted by cacole on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:44 PM
Most LEDs are rated at 1.3 to 1.5 volts. The resistor is to cut down on the initial current surge when the function is turned on, and is to protect both the decoder and the LED. LEDs will automatically pass no more than their rated voltage, but can be burned up from too much of a current surge without the resistor.

But getting back to the original question, the light bulbs in IHC locomotives do not require any type of resistor because they are 14 volt bulbs that are wired directly to the wheels with no resistors or constant lighting board to cut down on the applied voltage, so why would they need a resistor to operate on 12 volts DC decoder output? I've never encountered an IHC or Rivarossi locomotive with headlights wired any different than this except the new IHC 2-10-2, which is now DCC ready with a constant lighting board and decoder socket in the tender.
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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:41 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by bangert1

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The 680 ohm resistor is added each of the functions, not the common blue wire. If you have the headlight and fire box flicker, two 680 ohm resistors are needed for LED's.


Why would you need a resistor for a 12 Volt LED? Or are you saying a resistor is needed for LED's that have a lower voltage like 5 Volts?

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:18 AM
Thanks for your replies, Gentlemen. I will pass this on to him.

-Crandell
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:13 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by selector

The fellow who is installing my Tsunami (no, I'm not there yet), needs to know if he can "half-wave" the lights using the red wire, and not the blue wire that is the conventional way. He wants to cut the voltage to help the lights to last, but doesn't know if the Tsunami can take that approach.

Anyone know?

Thanks, in advance, for your reply(ies).

-Crandell


If you go to the Soundtraxx page, you can download the Tsunami installation instructions. The Red wire has to be connected normally without a resistor. Using a resistor in the red or black wire would cut the voltage to the decoder and it would not function correctly. The 680 ohm resistor is added each of the functions, not the common blue wire. If you have the headlight and fire box flicker, two 680 ohm resistors are needed for LED's. If you are using the 1.5V micro bulbs, a slightly different resistor can be used to get the correct brightness.

http://www.soundtraxx.com/products/dcc/docs.htm

Both the installation guide and the programming guide is on the Soundtraxx web site.
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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 9:21 AM
His best bet would be to use LEDs as these operate at the default voltage of 12V+, last a very long time, and consume very little current. (Plus they are bright too boot.)

He could also use "Wheat" Bulbs which run as 12V without new resistors.

Try Loys Toys, Lynchfield, or Tonys for advice

BTW: I LOOOOVE my Tsunami. :-)

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Posted by cacole on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:35 AM
All 20 or so of the IHC locomotives that I have put decoders into have had 14 volt bulbs and no resistors were necessary. My latest install was a Tsunami into the new IHC 2-10-2 and it required no resistors. Use the blue and white wires as per NMRA standards.



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Posted by selector on Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:28 AM
Thanks, fellas. I told him I thought that he should install resistors, but he said that doing so raises the current from the decoder, and can cause another set of problems. He doesn't disagree with us; he just wants to know if his idea is possible because he has done that on other Soundtraxx decoders with success, but he doesn't want to fry a CDN $100 decoder.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:35 PM
From what I know about DCC, what he describes is not possible. If he wants to cut voltage to the bulb, he needs place a risitor between the blue wire (which is the common accessory lead) and the bulb, and hook the red wire up like normal.
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Posted by jnichols on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 11:31 PM
Although I have never tried this with any decoder, my guess would be no. Has he done this sucessfully with another brand of decoder? If you are worried about light bulbs getting too much voltage, just install a resistor in series with the bulb. This is the tried and true method of dropping voltage in all my (and most people I know) installations... [:)]

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Tsunami help -lights on IHC Mike VERDICT
Posted by selector on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 7:48 PM
The fellow who is installing my Tsunami (no, I'm not there yet), needs to know if he can "half-wave" the lights using the red wire, and not the blue wire that is the conventional way. He wants to cut the voltage to help the lights to last, but doesn't know if the Tsunami can take that approach.

Anyone know?

Thanks, in advance, for your reply(ies).

-Crandell

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