Natural gas costs are expected to jump nearly 71 percent

[selector]

Or, "FORESTS!"

[vsmith]

I have only one word to add to all this...

SWEATERS!!!

[;)]

[Anonymous]

Everything here in SW Ohio is getting more and more expensive, especially considering the past 3 years the place I work for has been giving 2% raises. Everything that my family "needs" to survive - gas, electricity, food, natural gas, has gone up considerably more than 2% a year, including our health care costs (insurance). So, now we keep the house at 75 in the summer, and it'll be 65 in the winter. Not much else you can do...

[TBat55]

High gas prices are GOOD in at least one way. It will accelerate alternative fuel research, production, and manufacturing. The Middle East will pay when demand drops, permanently.
The price of gas needs to be $9 a gallon to pay for the price difference of a hybrid car (per CNN). Don't buy one to save gas money. Buy one to not need gas as often (60mpg).
Besides, more stuff should be shipped by rail.

[n2mopac]

Fortunately none of my models run on natural gas. . . But seriously, the alarmist media always inflate these projections to the worst case senario. I expect gas to go up this winter--it always does. And I am sure the hurricanes will have some conpoounding effect on this year's rise. I have a strong feeling, however, that it will not approach anywhere near the neighborhood of the porjected %70.

Ron

[Anonymous]

Water Furnace?

Well we used a oil furnace to heat water (that's "woi-ter") and pipe it thru radiators that are under each window.

[grayfox1119]

Ya, what is a WATER FURNACE? My furnace is oil fired forced hot water, so it has water in it for heating media, but how to you heat your house with just water? No electricity, no gas, no oil, no wood or pellets. Is it solar? But the northwest gets so few days of sun in 365.

[selector]

My grandpa used to say that natural gas has lumps in it. [:-^]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bob Hayes
......As for heating my 4300 sq. ft. house, I have a Water Furnace.....

Can you give a brief description of a water furnace? I'm not familiar with that term. Thanks.

[Bob Hayes]

Sunday, gas in Springfield, OR was $2.69, $2.65 in Portland, OR. It has been droping since Labor Day weekend. Heading to L.A. this week. Glad to hear gas is cheaper there.

As for heating my 4300 sq. ft. house, I have a Water Furnace. The most I have paid. in the last 3 years for electricity to run the whole house, was $185 one month. Usually, it's much lower. Don't use gas, wood, or electricity for heat

Bob Hayes
Chiloquin, OR

[davekelly]

Here in Lubbock we saw 2.48 before Rita, driving around it varied between 2.69 and 2.79. We might be in for a rough couple of months, but I thinking we'll see a continuous, although slower than we'd like, decrease. Will we ever see $1.25 a gallon again? Probably not, but I think $1.75 is not out of the realm of reason by next spring.

[Anonymous]

Gas here was down to 2.38 before Rita. Today it was at 2.66.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Javern

I read it in USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2005-09-08-energy-costs_x.htm

As Linda Ellerbee once said, "Broadcast news is news for people who think newspapers are too complicated. USA Today is a newspaper for people who think broadcast news is too complicated." The bulk of their story seems to contradict the headline.

[Anonymous]

It was doen to $2.67 in Peoria before the storm, one station a Road Ranger was at 2.54. Not looking forward to some of those refineries being down 2 weeks [V]

[davekelly]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jnichols

Let me tell you what I think about all this crapola...

Before going to California last weekend, I was paying $2.85 for a gallon of gasoline in and around my home in Salt Lake City. Once in California, I was paying $2.76 for a gallon of gas (and this was in downtown LA). This is the first time in 20 years of my traveling to California where I could purhcase gas cheaper than I could at home. On a side note, there are two huge oil refineries less than 20 miles from my home.

So what does it all add up to? Greed my friends and lots of it... [;)]

Interesting. I've never known gas in California be less than gas anywhere else - that state seems to have the highest price around! I did notice, however, that your price comparison wasn't done on the same day. In the week before Rita, gas here decreased in price about 20 cents per gallon. What was the price in Salt Lake City on the day it was 2.76 in LA?

[grayfox1119]

There is nothing holding you back from owning shares in these companies. If your going to pay the price at the pumps, and for heating, why not get some of this back? Start off small with whatever you can afford, and watch it grow. Most Americans spend and spend and borrow and borrow. Of the Industrialized nations in the world, the U.S. is the the worst in personal savings, yet we have the highest standard of living ( but that is changing ) We wnat it NOW so we borrow. Wrong strategy, save up then pay cash...be smart, beatthem at their own game guys.
DAVE T. Geothermal works great! The ground temperature from 4 feet down and lower, is a constant 47F. So this systems uses this to cool in the summer and heat in the winter. It uses fluids that boil at a very low temperature, which gives off this heat in the house via a heat exchanger. It is one large loop basically. Check it out on the internet for how it works and who seel them in your area. And for electricity, buy a home windmill if your code allows them in your neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by willy6

It was sad to see the hurricane's destruction and watching the looting being done by EXXON/MOBIL,SHELL, AND CHEVRON/TEXACO.It's a amazing how your stock price can increase by $9.71/per share the day after.............................

Sort of sad to see an industry that profits from disasters. I can just imagine them sitting in a room chanting for bigger and more destructive events.[:(!][V]

[willy6]

It was sad to see the hurricane's destruction and watching the looting being done by EXXON/MOBIL,SHELL, AND CHEVRON/TEXACO.It's a amazing how your stock price can increase by $9.71/per share the day after.............................

[dave9999]

Geez... It's not enough that I have to see this every time I turn on the tube, log on the internet and
every time I pick up the paper... now we have to discuss this on a model railroad forum? OK, I'll add
to it.

The price of gas(natural or gasoline) was surely going to go up eventually. The fact that it hasn't
until recently is amazing. I'm not going to go into the whole "price today compare to fifty years ago vs.
inflation and cost of living" example. But, without doing the math, $2.50/gal today is about what
people paid fifty years ago... back when Grandpa was making fifty cents a month[:D] Dave

[Eriediamond]

QUOTE: Originally posted by grayfox1119

Come on guys, the native Americans lived in tents all winter in the open, what a bunch of whimps, and they didn't pay one dime for gas or oil.!!

Yeah, true, but they didn't play with trains either!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by grayfox1119

Dave, my wigwam is a split entry, circa 1967. I have enough trees around the 6 acreas to supply my own wood, the axe takes no gas, so I don't spend a dime on wood. Split with spitting mall. That way I also keep in shape, no gut, so I can have an around the room 4x8 tables, and 2foot isles, because I'm not FAT ( ohh ohh, I can't say that these days...so sorry....lets say, not circumferentially challenged...how's that guys? )

I thought you had a real TeePee [:p][:p]

That sounds like too much work [;)]. I am thinking that geothermal heating, heard on the radio last week some lady said they have yet to use any heating or cooling the old fashion way with a furnace. I faintly remember an article about how it works. Sounds interesting. Anything to defray the $$ going towards keeping the home enviroment comfortable.

[grayfox1119]

Dave, my wigwam is a split entry, circa 1967. I have enough trees around the 6 acreas to supply my own wood, the axe takes no gas, so I don't spend a dime on wood. Split with spitting mall. That way I also keep in shape, no gut, so I can have an around the room 4x8 tables, and 2foot isles, because I'm not FAT ( ohh ohh, I can't say that these days...so sorry....lets say, not circumferentially challenged...how's that guys? )

[jeffshultz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cspmo

QUOTE: Originally posted by waltersrails

Thanks

I could not agree more dthurman.

[#ditto]

If everone in the country would refuse to pay there bills, how long would prices stay that high?

Yeah, flipping the bird at the people who control the valve is a real good idea. Not.

You could get really cold this winter that way.

[jnichols]

Let me tell you what I think about all this crapola...

Before going to California last weekend, I was paying $2.85 for a gallon of gasoline in and around my home in Salt Lake City. Once in California, I was paying $2.76 for a gallon of gas (and this was in downtown LA). This is the first time in 20 years of my traveling to California where I could purhcase gas cheaper than I could at home. On a side note, there are two huge oil refineries less than 20 miles from my home.

So what does it all add up to? Greed my friends and lots of it... [;)]

[Anonymous]

I agree. Once the oil companies get used to us paying the big bucks, do yall really think they're going to be so easy to cut prices again?

QUOTE: Originally posted by Allan Miller

No matter how you heat your home, you WILL be paying more this coming winter season. If you cut your own wood to fuel wood stoves, you'll be paying more for the gas for your power saw. If you heat with gas, propane, or oil, you'll be paying more for that fuel. If you heat with coal, you'll be paying for the cost of getting that coal to you. And if you heat with electricity, you can be sure that the power companies will be passing their costs along to you.

And, of course, the costs of everything else will be similarly affected, from the price of food items to the cost of heating the stores you shop in, including shipping costs for those trains you buy on eBay or elsewhere.

What impact that will have on anyone's hobby budget depends solely on how well-off the individual happens to be; how well he/she has saved in advance for situations like this; and how much faith he or she has in the future prospects for a leveling-off of fuel prices. I, for one, figure we're in for a long term of $3 a gallon gas (at minimum), along with significantly increased prices on just about every consumer-related product and service. And this doesn't even take into account the increased costs you'll find for plywood and other lumber products when you want to expand that existing train layout. With the increased need for such products along the Gulf Coast, and the anticipated long-term shortage of supply, you can be quite sure that you'll be paying a king's ransom for such items.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TBat55

I wonder if a train with hoppers full of rocks could slow down a storm surge if the tracks were along the shore in an arc. Derail, yes, but better than nothing (and moveable).

Railcars 14 feet give or take a few feet.

A full hurricane fed surge can reach close to 40+ feet ON TOP of tide and wave.

They DO use loaded hoppers welded to rail as wind breaks on western railroads in locations that tends to create "rivers" of wind that is dangerous to cross.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overdurff

OK need a show of hands, how many of us want an oil refinery built in your neighborhood to increase the refining capacity, increasing supply, and lower costs? Part B: Who wnts to blame this latest disaster on poor *** and "W"? 3: Can we blame this all on the "liberals"? 4: Who hasn't seen the adds for the SUV's and trucks yet?
5: Who knows where Jerry Falwell is to lead us out of this mess?
Will

I wouldn't have a problem with more industry in our town. As for in my backyard, if I was able to reap the profist, sure.

It borders on ridiculous to blame Bush and the right for not signing the Kyoto (sp) agreement. even if we had, the effects of change would take years/decades/ a century to see the gain.

I do blame the lunitic liberal fringe (not all liberals) for the senseless laws and lawsuits they have created on stopping our need for more fossil fuel drilling and refining. They (the fringe) are the ones that stopped the improvements to the levees in NO so I do blame them for some of man's results of natural disatsters. As for who is to blame for the recent rash of huriccanes, I point to the planet, we have no control, unless you buy into Richard C Hoagland and the Russians controlling our weather [alien], of course he sees bases on Mars, ancient civilization on the dark side of the mood, go figure...

As for the SUV's I for one can't afford one, let alone the gas. I see red and blue state people driving them.

I actually blame all this fuel pricing mess on greedy people and the what's in it for me mentality that seems to have taken over our world.

Better stop, getting close to banned subjects...

[Anonymous]

OK need a show of hands, how many of us want an oil refinery built in your neighborhood to increase the refining capacity, increasing supply, and lower costs? Part B: Who wnts to blame this latest disaster on poor *** and "W"? 3: Can we blame this all on the "liberals"? 4: Who hasn't seen the adds for the SUV's and trucks yet?
5: Who knows where Jerry Falwell is to lead us out of this mess?
Will

[Anonymous]

Due to the gas prices and shortages expected to come of Rita, Sonny Perdue has asked schools to close on Monday and Tuesday. That means more MR time!!!