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Posted by DavidJ611 on Thursday, September 8, 2005 1:18 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Bangert,

That's good to hear that BLI did contact you.

Interesting factor about the J11: It is still in existence! I'm surprised that BLI (or QSI actually) did not get a prototype recording. I'm assuming that perhaps the type of recording needed might not have been available and it was likely cheaper for QSI to take the route it did.

I'm not familiar with the exact process as to how QSI, Soundtraxx, and LokSound obtain their sound recordings but in my "wacky way" of thinking: if I were a high ranking manager for one of these sound decoder companies, I would courteously:

1) Contact the owner of the 611, inform him about my business.

2) Ask what costs would be involved in connecting an aircompressor (via airhose) to the locomotive's whistle air line line in the cab.[:-^]

3) Have the owner or one of his reps blow the whistle while it is recorded with quality digital sound recorders.

4) Consult with his attorneys to see if there would be any royalties or legal agreements required.

Just my 2 opinion![;)]

Yes, J611 lives! Although (sadly) she sits cold and silent now since the bean counters at NS promptly ended the steam excursion program in late 1994 after former C.E.O. Robert Claytor passed away. [sigh] J611 is owned by the City of Roanoke, Virginia and is on display there in the Virginia Museum of Transportation http://www.vmt.org/. Here is a picture of her I took in May (from outside the museum):

You'll also notice N&W A1218 which also served in excursion service from 1987-1994 sitting just to the right of J611.

I do not know what QSI did or did not do with regard to programming the sound for BLI's N&W J-Class locos, but as I already stated I am very disappointed from what I've heard especially given the MANY quality recordings available from the J611's excursion service days (1982-1994) and of J's in revenue service. The high fidelity sound recordings taken by O. Winston Link in the late 50's are exquisite---and available now newly remastered on CD! I have the box set (5 CD's, covering 6 full albums) of his original recordings of N&W steam in action (mot just J's, but also Y's, A's, K's, S's, M's and more!), and they are a joy to sit back and listen to. [^] (BTW--The recording I referenced off of the NPR site in my first post is just one of the tracks. The full set of recordings is available online through the O. Winston Link Museum gift shop.)

For anyone reading whoever gets a chance to visit Roanoke, Virginia, I highly recommend a visit the Virginia Museum of Transportation and the O. Winston Link Museum http://www.linkmuseum.org/. They are just a couple blocks from each other right on the NS (N&W) mainline. The Link Museum is in the old Passenger station and the transportation museum is in the old freight station in downtown Roanoke.

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Broadway Limited: Excellent Updated Sound Samples! Link Provided
Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:04 PM

O.K Crew, here they are the direct links to the sounds again as wanted, this time with the RDS15 link added in:

Alco RSD15
http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/RSD15.mp3

EMD E8 and E9
http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/E8-E9_BLI.mp3

GE AC 6000 CW
http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/AC6000.mp3

EMD E3 and E6
http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/E3-E6.mp3

As I said previously the quality of these sounds is:
"Mama Mia! It's-a-like-a-soculenta-meal! "[C=:-)][dinner][4:-)][tup]

Still hoping that BLI does makes these particular decoders available for sale!

Cheers! [:)][:D][;)][8)]

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:54 PM
Bangert,

That's good to hear that BLI did contact you.

Interesting factor about the J11: It is still in existence! I'm surprised that BLI (or QSI actually) did not get a prototype recording. I'm assuming that perhaps the type of recording needed might not have been available and it was likely cheaper for QSI to take the route it did.

I'm not familiar with the exact process as to how QSI, Soundtraxx, and LokSound obtain their sound recordings but in my "wacky way" of thinking: if I were a high ranking manager for one of these sound decoder companies, I would courteously:

1) Contact the owner of the 611, inform him about my business.

2) Ask what costs would be involved in connecting an aircompressor (via airhose) to the locomotive's whistle air line line in the cab.[:-^]

3) Have the owner or one of his reps blow the whistle while it is recorded with quality digital sound recorders.

4) Consult with his attorneys to see if there would be any royalties or legal agreements required.

Just my 2 opinion![;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 11:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Dave,

I listened to it. It actually sounds like the 611 itself.

If its any consolation, most of the sounds on BLI's site are compressed. The actual models sound clearer. Looks like this is why BLI cleaned up and reposted some of the sound bytes. Hopefully someone who owns one of these beauties will post comments on his/her J11. [;)] I can understand your feelings as I'm passionate about certain locomotive sounds themselves. Consider zipping BLI an e-mail asking them about the 611 sound byte. They actually listen to suggestions from customers. [8D]


High Greens!


I have one of the BLI N&W J engines and like it, but it has the same whistle recording as the Lionel Challenger. also QSI type. Yes both had steamboat type whistles, but the real J had a lower tone. I photographed the 611 in 1956 on a train and got to see several of the other J's on trains at that time. in Virginia, and it just does not get any better than that.

It is still a nice model, but getting the sound just right in models is next to impossible.

I emailed BLI about the sound on the J and they did talk to me since the model and the sound byte sound different to me. In defense of anyone trying to get the whistle correct, it is really hard to duplicate the real sound in a speaker that fits into an HO tender. Diesels sounds are even harder to duplicate since they have more lows than steam sounds.



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Posted by NZRMac on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 11:03 PM
Windows Media player or QuickTime will play them.

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Posted by trollw on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 6:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DavidJ611

I have been eager to hear a sample of the N&W J-Class sound for quite a while [:p], and thanks to this topic, I discovered that BLI must've finally added one recently: http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/N&WJ.mp3
Unfortunately, I found the quality of the sound on the sample very disappointing.
[:(][sigh]

The deep steamboat whistle on the real thing is so hauntingly beautiful, it gives me goosebumps to hear it.[^]

For those not lucky enough to have ever heard a J-Class locomotive alive and steaming along, go to this page on the NPR website http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4585996 and click on the link entitled Recording of Norfolk & Western Railway's Train 16 Near Welch, W. Va. Look under the heading "Sounds from 'The Fading Giant'' That recording was made by the late great O. Winston Link during the same period in which he took his famous pictures of the dying days of steam along the N&W Railway.

Judge for yourself.
-Dave


I clicked on the links but only got an option to download the file(s). They have a '.smil' extension. What do you use to listen to them?

Regards,

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 9:44 AM
That's a known problem on certain versions of the QSI decoders, set the levels below a certain spot and the secondary sounds all stop. I guess a bug in the mixer code in the decoder.

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Posted by NZRMac on Tuesday, September 6, 2005 12:09 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

QUOTE: Originally posted by polizi

thanks Antonio, I have added it as well but is the bell on the SD-40 too fast??


Guys, thanks! I'm glad you find the sounds enjoyable.

Polizi, good question on this particular model. I agree that this sound byte's bell actually sounds like it is accelerated a bit since its pitch [:-^] is a little higher. Normally, the pitch of a bell doesn't change with speed, so you may have something there.

However, be aware that prototype diesels can actually have their bells ring at different speed rates by a simple adjustment from locomotive mechanics. I remember this especially with Amtrak SDP40fs. Most of these big brutes had bells ring at a slow "clank...clank...clank" rythmn; [{(-_-)}] but a few I heard had bells that rang at a fast clank-clank-clank-clank rate, like the BLI SD40-2 (but the sound pitch stayed the same as the slower ringing bells.)

Do any of you that own BLI SD40-2s have a fast ringing bell like the soundbyte?

I don't know if it's true, but I vaguely remember reading that either Soundtraxx or Loksound may feature adjustable bell ring speeds on their decoders.


The bell is faster on the SD40-2 sound byte than on my models, mine run at about a second and a half.
The horn is the same I think.

I have the sound so low (My layout's in the living room) the bell won't ring?

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, September 2, 2005 6:20 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by polizi

thanks Antonio, I have added it as well but is the bell on the SD-40 too fast??


Guys, thanks! I'm glad you find the sounds enjoyable.

Polizi, good question on this particular model. I agree that this sound byte's bell actually sounds like it is accelerated a bit since its pitch [:-^] is a little higher. Normally, the pitch of a bell doesn't change with speed, so you may have something there.

However, be aware that prototype diesels can actually have their bells ring at different speed rates by a simple adjustment from locomotive mechanics. I remember this especially with Amtrak SDP40fs. Most of these big brutes had bells ring at a slow "clank...clank...clank" rythmn; [{(-_-)}] but a few I heard had bells that rang at a fast clank-clank-clank-clank rate, like the BLI SD40-2 (but the sound pitch stayed the same as the slower ringing bells.)

Do any of you that own BLI SD40-2s have a fast ringing bell like the soundbyte?

I don't know if it's true, but I vaguely remember reading that either Soundtraxx or Loksound may feature adjustable bell ring speeds on their decoders.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 2, 2005 2:21 AM
thanks Antonio, I have added it as well but is the bell on the SD-40 too fast??
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Posted by DavidJ611 on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:55 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by NZRMac

I've just listened to the BLI class A on the broadway site it sounds like my P2K 2-8-8-2.

Ken.

Very interesting, Ken.
You know, I thought I'd heard someone else make the same comment some time back.

Antonio -
Thanks for the link to the diesel sounds website! I've added it to my favorites for further enjoyment and reference. [^]
...Luv those horns!!!![:p]

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Posted by NZRMac on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:52 PM
Thanks for the link Antonio, I think I busted my speakers!!

Awesome sounds.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 3:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by peterjenkinson1956

just listened to the sounds and they are great...what would the ac6000 sound like when running hard with full throttle... hey 4884 bigboy what grids are missing from the ac 6000 i was going to get a couple any link to see the model... thanks peter
They left out the dynamic brake grids on one side. And they're making one for SP when SP ordered but never had any! BLI sure does screw up with their modern diesels. I hope the C30-7 is ok.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, September 1, 2005 6:25 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by polizi

................I still cant tell the difference in the horns yet.


Polizi,

You may have seen the following info before. If you're referring to variety of horns and being able to identify which is which; check out these two links:

http://atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/index.html

http://dieselairhorns.com

Great prototype info that includes history, modifications, etc. [4:-)][tup]

I used to spend some of my "relaxation time" listening to horns on these websites. Whenever I go railfanning I test myself and identify the horns of passing trains. Even though I'm deep in CSX territory......just about everything comes through Tampa. UP, BNSF, ex-SP, ex-Conrail, etc., so there is a wide variety of horn sounds to listen to. My favorites are still the K5LA and the Canadian tuned K5H horns.

Peace.[:D][;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 2:21 AM
I like all of them but the one thing that I thought was that the bell on the SD40 seemed really fast but hey what do I know. I still cant tell the difference in the horns yet.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:51 PM
Hello GrayFox, I'm glad the links worked as I wasn't sure they would.

I've noticed that BLI seems to be improving on the quality of their diesel sounds. I certainly hope that the same does apply to the steamers.

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Posted by NZRMac on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:14 PM
I've just listened to the BLI class A on the broadway site it sounds like my P2K 2-8-8-2.

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Posted by DavidJ611 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by NZRMac

Sorry to disappoint!! I have a 611 J it sounds like the one on the link, only not as deep a tone ( probably my computer speakers ). doesn't sound like the one on DavidJ611's link. It's not my fav whistle but it's still cool.

I prefer the PK2 2-8-8-2 N&W I have.

Ken.

Thanks for your input, Ken. You report pretty much what I expected. [sigh] I have an A-Class, and the sound is pretty much just as the clip on their website: okay, but not spectacular by any stretch.

You don't specify whether you have the newer P2K 2-8-8-2 with sound, or just an earlier silent version. I've heard a sound clip before of the latest release with sound (although not recently) and thought it sounded at least as good as (possibly better than ?) the BLI A-class. I have an older issue (silent) P2K 2-8-8-2, and it is absolutely one sweet runner! [tup][tup] (IMO, it's the finest steamer I own.)

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Posted by NZRMac on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:16 PM
Sorry to disappoint!! I have a 611 J it sounds like the one on the link, only not as deep a tone ( probably my computer speakers ). doesn't sound like the one on DavidJ611's link. It's not my fav whistle but it's still cool.


EDIT I prefer the new P2K 2-8-8-2 N&W with sound, I have.

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Posted by DavidJ611 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45

Dave,

I listened to it. It actually sounds like the 611 itself.

If its any consolation, most of the sounds on BLI's site are compressed. The actual models sound clearer. Looks like this is why BLI cleaned up and reposted some of the sound bytes. Hopefully someone who owns one of these beauties will post comments on his/her J11. [;)] I can understand your feelings as I'm passionate about certain locomotive sounds themselves. Consider zipping BLI an e-mail asking them about the 611 sound byte. They actually listen to suggestions from customers. [8D]

I don't know if my past input helped, but 2 years ago I informed BLI that many prototype EMD E-units originally used "honk" horns instead of multi-chime horns. ( On some classic movies, like North by Northwest, that show E units hauling trains you can hear it ) I even provided a little history. I thought BLI ignored me, but yet now the E8 sound byte features a smooth honker that sounds much cleaner than Soundtraxx's version. [:p]

High Greens!

Antonio,

Thanks for your response. Maybe BLI does listen to their customer base. Although I doubt I was the only one to ask, I did write them a couple months ago asking them to post a soundbyte of the J on their website, and now they at least have one.

I took another listen to BLI's soundbyte vs. the O.W.Link recording I referenced earlier, and I still come to the same conclusion: BLI's sound for the J is 'okay' but could be much better. IMHO, the BLI digitized sound comes across as rather muddy and flat in comparison, and I really don't care for the way that the whistle sound just begins suddenly in mid-blast without any ramp-up whatsoever. (At least they did program it to fall off naturally at the end.) I'm hoping the lack of rise at the onset of the whistle sound is just due to poor editing for the soundbyte they posted, but I have no way of knowing for certain. [?] Can anyone out there who actually has one report on this???

By the way, I noticed the Windows Media Player window indicated that the BLI soundbyte was 'playing at 128Kbps' and the (high fidelity) O.W.Link recording was only playing at 48Kbps---[%-)] the opposite of what I was expecting based on Randy's post.

Hopefully someone out there can enlighten me further...
(NZRMac--You have a J, don't you? What do you think?)

Thanks!
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Posted by grayfox1119 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 3:27 PM
Antonio, the sites you listed in your follow up message work fine, the sounds are unbelievable !!
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Posted by peterjenkinson1956 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:49 PM
just listened to the sounds and they are great...what would the ac6000 sound like when running hard with full throttle... hey 4884 bigboy what grids are missing from the ac 6000 i was going to get a couple any link to see the model... thanks peter
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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:33 AM
Interesting that BLI is posting BETTER soundbytes (notice the new ones are 128 bps, the old ones were like only 32 or 64, no wonder they sounded 'muddy'), while Soundtraxx REMOVED their soundbytes (also low bit rate recordings) citing 'theft' of the sounds.
Hmmm......


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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:26 AM
Dave,

I listened to it. It actually sounds like the 611 itself.

If its any consolation, most of the sounds on BLI's site are compressed. The actual models sound clearer. Looks like this is why BLI cleaned up and reposted some of the sound bytes. Hopefully someone who owns one of these beauties will post comments on his/her J11. [;)] I can understand your feelings as I'm passionate about certain locomotive sounds themselves. Consider zipping BLI an e-mail asking them about the 611 sound byte. They actually listen to suggestions from customers. [8D]

I don't know if my past input helped, but 2 years ago I informed BLI that many prototype EMD E-units originally used "honk" horns instead of multi-chime horns. ( On some classic movies, like North by Northwest, that show E units hauling trains you can hear it ) I even provided a little history. I thought BLI ignored me, but yet now the E8 sound byte features a smooth honker that sounds much cleaner than Soundtraxx's version. [:p]

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Posted by DavidJ611 on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 7:39 PM
I have been eager to hear a sample of the N&W J-Class sound for quite a while [:p], and thanks to this topic, I discovered that BLI must've finally added one recently: http://www.broadway-limited.com/sounds/N&WJ.mp3
Unfortunately, I found the quality of the sound on the sample very disappointing.
[:(][sigh]

The deep steamboat whistle on the real thing is so hauntingly beautiful, it gives me goosebumps to hear it.[^]

For those not lucky enough to have ever heard a J-Class locomotive alive and steaming along, go to this page on the NPR website http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4585996 and click on the link entitled Recording of Norfolk & Western Railway's Train 16 Near Welch, W. Va. Look under the heading "Sounds from 'The Fading Giant'' That recording was made by the late great O. Winston Link during the same period in which he took his famous pictures of the dying days of steam along the N&W Railway.

Judge for yourself.
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Posted by ereimer on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 6:31 PM
nice sound . i kind of wish i hadn't looked at the ATSF 3800 class 2-10-2 's though !
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:42 PM
The brass 4-8-4 is SWEEET! Added to that it has sound, MAN!
I'm gonna get me one on layaway.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 3:26 PM
Those AC6000CW sounds are awesome, but I won't be getting one. Any company that leaves out the dynamic brake grids on a locomotive won't get a cent outta me.
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Posted by NZRMac on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 2:14 PM
They sound awesome, would be nice to fit my computer speakers into a loco!!

Ken.

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