What color is the Hogwarts Modified Hall? Any Brits out there?

[pedromorgan]

i think WC will be too dark but its up to you.

Peter

[steveblackledge]

not sure what Bachmann used on the HALL just that we used Wisconsin Red on 34027, i think the reason was that there was a plentyfull supply of this colour around after WC had all the UK loco's re painted into its EW&S colours
you could try doing a cheap boxcar or something in WC red before you commit to a loco

[SpaceMouse]

Would you agree then that the Wisconsin Central Red would be a good choice. I plan to paint a 4-4-0 and a 4-6-0 with Hogwart's colors to form their freight lines. They will sit on the track side-by-side with the Hogwarts Express.

[steveblackledge]

34027 TAW VALLEY was used for promotional work before the release or production of the first Harry Potter film, it had a very nice pair of Hogwarts Express nameplates but these had to be removed as the film producers were being a bit silly and didn't want the East Lancs Railway or other railtour operators coining in on the brand name.
a couple of years ago i saw 60532 "BLUE PETER an A2 pacific pass 5927 OULTON HALL (in hogwarts livery) on the west coast main line near my home in lancashire [:D][:D][:D] [http://www.freewebs.com/yarrow-valley-sub/burlingtonnorthern.htm]

[M636C]

Peter,

My recollection is that "Taw Valley" was used for a promotional train (carrying the author and some young readers) run by the book publishers, possibly for the release of the third book in the series, before any arrangements were made for the movie. I believe an SR rectangular style "Hogwarts Express" nameboard was used for the promotional train but I don't think a special loco name was used.

Subsequently, an older locomotive was requested for the movie. The book cover had a fairly plain generic (but red) locomotive, but it did have a rectangular SR style train nameboard.

Peter

[pedromorgan]

I stand corrected.

i would be interested to know if it was done with the consent of the film producers of if it was done to cash in on the books popularity at the time? i know that a southern loco was never given a screen test.

i saw taw vally what must have been very shortly bafore it was repainted into hog colours. i must admit it was starting looking a little tatty round the edges!

it is interesting to hear you help out on the east lancs. i helped out on the narrow gauge at toddington for a while and at birmingham railway museum (mainly given weed duty!). i have since gone back to HO.

Peter Morgan

[steveblackledge]

hello peter, it was 34027 "Taw Valley" that first carried the Hogwarts colours and nameplates for about 18 months then when it was sold to it's present owners who repainted it BR green and cloned it into loco 34045 named "Ottery St Mary", i did a spell as a volunteer on the East Lancs in the steam dept back then.
click on the link below to see it in "Hogwarts" livery"

The GWR aka "Gas Works Railway"

http://nigel3579.fotoblog.me.uk/p3603787.html
the link below shows David Smiths Hall "5927"
http://nigel3579.fotoblog.me.uk/p3603760.html
below the home page of 34027 group

http://www.maiden.demon.co.uk/NewSite/tvintro.html
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[pedromorgan]

i dont believe the southern pacific was actually painted.
the story goes that the director aproached the railway company (i think it was merlin rail but dont quote me on that) and asked for a steam loco. the company came up with several sugestions but he deemed them all to "modern". when the company director asked him what he had in mind, he produced a picture of a hall and said he wanted one like that. and thus "oulton hall" became hogwarts castle.
i undersatnd it makes more money in hogwarts livery than it ever did for the GWR!

Peter

[steveblackledge]

try Wisconsin Central red, English Welsh & Scotish railways were owned by Wisconsin central for a while. before the "Hall" was used in the film a Southern railway pacific was painted and adorned with "Hogwarts Express" nameplates here in the UK, it ran in EW&S red which is Wisconsin red

[M636C]

I'd agree with Pedro regarding the locomotive colour. The real Hogwarts passenger cars are in darker British Railways "maroon" or 'crimson lake" with only the crests changed. By the way, 5972 is a "Hall", not a "modified Hall", although Bachmann use the "modified Hall" model repainted as "Hogwarts Castle". Both this and the "West Country" pacific used in earlier book promotions were painted in a bright crimson like the London Transport bus red.

Peter

[pedromorgan]

Well. The models I believe are pretty close to brittish rail blood/crimson (or what ever else you want to call it!) but I think the real this is much closer to LT red. I took a paint chip (I know I am going to get arrested for doing that one day!) at the york railfest and it turned matched it pretty close to LT red buy cherry paints, the bus and london underground department of phoenix precision paints (UK) they should be able to help you.
The film was shot on kodak 18 t grain film which gives a very good colour reproduction although I think they might have brightened it slightly in post production as I think it is slightly lighter in the film than it is in real life. I will try and dig out some pictures for you, It would also help iof you could tell me how i post pictures!

buy the way the station facade you see in the film is St pancras station which is currently being renovated for use with the chunnel tunnel rail link but the station interior you see and "platform 7 3/4" are at kings cross station about 40 yards away! I live about 200 metres up the road!
P.S. I always take paint chips from an area where it wont be noticed and wont cause corrosion. But if any of you have a white star buff paint chip I would love to hear from you!

Peter

here you go

http://www.phoenix-paints.co.uk/

[SpaceMouse]

I know my PRRs are Brunswick Green but they also came in Tuscan Red. What is the name of the color of the Hogwarts Express? I know I can mix it and get it close, but someone must already have the color pre-made.