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Big change in the train show business

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Big change in the train show business
Posted by dknelson on Thursday, May 4, 2023 9:56 AM

This news if of intense interest to those of us in Milwaukee since Dave Swanson and his Great American Train Show company took over Trainfest in 2022.  We had heard of some health issues and of course wished and wish him the best.

Dave Nelson

 

LATEST NEWS (04/05/2023)

Great American Train Shows Inc. is thrilled to announced that our recent show season which ended on 3/26/2023, dramatically exceeded our expectations. Our attendance set new records in over 10 different markets. We want to thank our loyal customers and exhibitors for their tremendous support. We are happy to have concrete proof that the Covid-19 impact is now behind us.

Having train shows recovered to exceed their previous levels we are now positioning our Train show business for growth. Great American Train Shows Inc. is pleased to announce the sale of Greenberg Train and Toy shows and the Great Midwest Train Show to Dillon Goble. Dillon was formerly the Vice President of the Midwest division of Great American Train Shows. The new Greenberg shows organization will focus on continuing our outstanding shows in the Northeast and expanding to the Southeastern Atlantic states like Georgia and Florida which formerly held very successful Greenberg shows.

Great American Train Shows will continue to focus and grow in all states that are not Atlantic states. Bill Grove will continue to manager Great American Train shows and will assume ownership of the shows. Dave Swanson who formerly owned both Greenberg and Great American Train Shows has chosen to retire for health reasons. He will continue to be available for advice to the new show ownership. Neal Carnaby will be the primary on site manager for Greenberg shows and will also provide on site management for some Great American Train Shows.

Permanent exhibitors will automatically be confirmed for these shows and should receive an email confirmation by 5/8/2023. Applications to sign up for the Summer Greenberg shows will be available by 5/8/2023. Between now and year end Greenberg shows will also be sponsoring Great Midwest Train shows in Wheaton, IL on May 7th, June 4th, August 6th , September 10th, October 1st. November 5th, and December 3rd.  Applications for those shows are available now on our website.

Great American Train Shows will resume in October 2023. Currently WGH on tour shows are planned for first quarter 2024. The schedule for fourth quarter 2023 Greenberg and Great Train American Shows should be available by 5/31/2023 and the first quarter 2024 Greenberg, Great American Train Shows and WGH on Tour shows should be available by 6/30/2023.  Thank you for your continued support, it is greatly appreciated.

 
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Posted by leewal on Sunday, May 7, 2023 11:55 AM

Cincinnati has been without a train show long before covid came along. Great American usd to be downtown annually. The local NMRA division has an annual show but it's 20+ miles away from the city and, for me, too far to drive.

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, May 8, 2023 7:21 AM

Train shows have disapeared in the SF bay area, maybe that will change, am hopeful.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, May 8, 2023 8:56 AM

Went to a one day train show in Staunton (the 'u' is silent), VA yesterday.  They had 4 or 5 layouts set up and it seemed reasonably crowded, and a fair number of couples in their 30's to 50's.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 8, 2023 10:09 AM

dknelson
Expanding to the Southeastern Atlantic states like Georgia and Florida

Florida and Georgia are anemic with good train shows now. Florida has one OK show in Sarasota, but not very good. I think Atlanta still has an annual show, but I have not made it there in four years.

A winter show in Orlando is a must. I can hope.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, May 8, 2023 8:01 PM

SeeYou190
Florida and Georgia are anemic with good train shows now.  ...

I guess all the retirees had to leave their train stuff up north before moving to Florida.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Monday, May 8, 2023 8:15 PM

My mentor and great friend went to the large one in MD and said it wasn't great.  He was looking out for pre-used Tortoise switch machines and the adapters, but had zero luck.  Eh, it happens.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, May 8, 2023 10:24 PM

kasskaboose
He was looking out for pre-used Tortoise switch machines and the adapters, but had zero luck.

Used tortoises are something I don't think I have ever seen at train shows.

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Posted by maxman on Monday, May 8, 2023 11:59 PM

SeeYou190

 

 
kasskaboose
He was looking out for pre-used Tortoise switch machines and the adapters, but had zero luck.

 

Used tortoises are something I don't think I have ever seen at train shows.

-Kevin

 

I’ve seen them at train shows.  I’ve also seen them for sale on the hoswap.io site.

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Posted by nealknows on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 6:09 AM

I see them at train shows all the time. Just takes a keen eye, some time looking at all of the boxes sellers have. If you see used track on a table, just ask if they any tortoise machines! You never know...

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 9:20 AM

MidlandMike
I guess all the retirees had to leave their train stuff up north before moving to Florida.

The problem with new construction in Florida, especially in retirement communities, is there's no basements! 

Some guys in Florida build layouts in their garages but unless the garage is air-conditioned forget about running trains in the summer, it's an inferno down there at that time of year!  Indifferent

So, if you're retiring to Florida look at three bedroom homes, one for you and the missus, one for potential visitors, and one for the layout!  Wink

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 9:24 AM

SeeYou190

 

 
dknelson
Expanding to the Southeastern Atlantic states like Georgia and Florida

 

Florida and Georgia are anemic with good train shows now. Florida has one OK show in Sarasota, but not very good. I think Atlanta still has an annual show, but I have not made it there in four years.

A winter show in Orlando is a must. I can hope.

-Kevin

 

There may be more than you think.  There are clubs in Florida that have local shows (Don't discount club shows!  You never know what you'll find!) and you can find them on railserve.com under "Events" or check "Railfan & Railroad" magazine's website under "Timetable."  Both list local shows and they're accurate.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 10:27 AM

Flintlock76
The problem with new construction in Florida, especially in retirement communities, is there's no basements! 

A lot of new construction in Florida now has what some builders are calling "reverse basements".

My friend Rob's new house in Spring Hill has this. A full 20 by 30 room above the house with one window at the end. My understanding is these are very popular, and they would make perfect train rooms.

The house below is four bedroom, three bath, and a 300 square foot home office. It is an upper-midscale cookie-cutter home.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 1:31 PM

SeeYou190
A lot of new construction in Florida now has what some builders are calling "reverse basements". My friend Rob's new house in Spring Hill has this. A full 20 by 30 room above the house with one window at the end.

Interesting!  A market reaction to all the model railroaders moving south?  Wink

I had to look up Spring Hill having never heard of it.  North of Tampa, not a bad location at all.  I was in the Fort Myers area last week and didn't see any "reverse basement" construction but then I wasn't looking for for it either!  Laugh  

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