I do a fairly elaborate winter train layout under the tree this time every year.
I have historically used Elmer's foam board, placed directly on the floor under the tree. I have used two 60" x 40" boards on either side of the tree, with a fill section that goes under the tree. The boards that I have used are 3/8" thick, which is thick enough to hold tacks without piercing the floor beneath.
Lots of arts/crafts supplies places have closed around here. At the few that remain, I can find 3/16" board easily, or I can find small slabs of 3/8". Online, I seem to have only bulk options.
Any ideas, or is there another similar option I could use that I have not considered?
How are foam insulation boards? Are they easy to cut, or do they make a mess?
Shock ControlHow are foam insulation boards? Are they easy to cut, or do they make a mess?
They score with a utility knife and snap easily, with little mess. I'm also told they can be cut with an electric kitchen knife. You can also find knife like jig saw blades that will also cut with minimum mess.
Henry
COB Potomac & Northern
Shenandoah Valley
Extruded foam is easy to cut, score and break or use a serrated knife. My fav is a pistol grip hack saw blade. Messy is relative, I think some people just need something to talk/complain about.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
BATMANMessy is relative, I think some people just need something to talk/complain about.
You also could check out building supply stores or local lumber yards, and see if they have the foam insulation board that goes under vinyl and aluminum siding.
Not sure of the thickness, but I think it's 1/4" thick.
I cut mine like what Brent suggest. I've scored and snapped, and used a saw, and a serated kitchen knife. Yes, there might be a little mess, as with cutting anything.
Mike.
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Shock Control And is the board you reference the same as the insulation board that I asked about?
Pink or blue is the stuff for insulation, don't use styrofoam as those little beads just fall off like dandruff everywhere you go.
Thanks all. So it looks like this will fit the bill. 4' x 8', available 1/2" or 1" thick.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Owens-Corning-FOAMULAR-1-2-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-R-3-Square-Edge-Rigid-Foam-Board-Insulation-Sheathing-36L/100320356
Shock Control I guess what I meant is can you make a clean, straight cut, or are the edges very uneven? Some foam is resistant to a straight cut. And is the board you reference the same as the insulation board that I asked about?
It probably will cost you some time to tidy up, but, not if you are deliberate, slow, semi-skilled with hand implements, and keep sharp blades handy. As the others have suggested, a deep score, with a sharp utility knife, place the sliced part at the lip of a sturdy table, and then give a sharp kick downward with the palm of your hand...it will separate nicely and cleanly. Saw, use a dull blade, and you'll have bits of foam everywhere, including on your hand, the tools, your clothing...
If you score against a 4-8' framing level's clean side, again on a sturdy surface, you'll get a clean edge. The extruded foam can be sanded.
It's strongly recommended to have at least doorksin or hardboard as a nether surface to protect the nether side of the foam. The foam isn't especially durable, and will crease and score even with slivers of wood, bits of rock and grit on the floor, etc. Use PL300 or similar foam-friendly construction adhesive, in a tube, to secure the slab of MDF, doorskin, Luan, tempered hardboard to the one surface. While you're at it, do the sides as well.
Dow/Corning, and at least one other company, makes 'extruded insulation foam board', or construction foam board. Several thicknesses. It can get expensive, so be sober about calculating your real needs, plus spoilage of about 10%.
selector Shock Control I guess what I meant is can you make a clean, straight cut, or are the edges very uneven? Some foam is resistant to a straight cut. And is the board you reference the same as the insulation board that I asked about? It probably will cost you some time to tidy up, but, not if you are deliberate, slow, semi-skilled with hand implements, and keep sharp blades handy. As the others have suggested, a deep score, with a sharp utility knife, place the sliced part at the lip of a sturdy table, and then give a sharp kick downward with the palm of your hand...it will separate nicely and cleanly. Saw, use a dull blade, and you'll have bits of foam everywhere, including on your hand, the tools, your clothing... If you score against a 4-8' framing level's clean side, again on a sturdy surface, you'll get a clean edge. The extruded foam can be sanded. It's strongly recommended to have at least doorksin or hardboard as a nether surface to protect the nether side of the foam. The foam isn't especially durable, and will crease and score even with slivers of wood, bits of rock and grit on the floor, etc. Use PL300 or similar foam-friendly construction adhesive, in a tube, to secure the slab of MDF, doorskin, Luan, tempered hardboard to the one surface. While you're at it, do the sides as well. Dow/Corning, and at least one other company, makes 'extruded insulation foam board', or construction foam board. Several thicknesses. It can get expensive, so be sober about calculating your real needs, plus spoilage of about 10%.
Thanks. I think I will get the Corning extruded insulation foam. The one issue is that the 4x8 is slightly too big for my car, and Home Depot won't slice it for me. I guess I will have to buy it and slice it myself in the store. I will check to see if Lowe's will do the slicing.
Shock ControlI guess I will have to buy it and slice it myself in the store.
I just cut mine in the parking lot. Take a knife score it and break it. If you want an accurate chop take a chalk line with you.
Would a 2' x 4' piece work for you? It usually comes in that size as well.
BATMAN Shock Control I guess I will have to buy it and slice it myself in the store. I just cut mine in the parking lot. Take a knife score it and break it. If you want an accurate chop take a chalk line with you. Would a 2' x 4' piece work for you? It usually comes in that size as well.
Shock Control I guess I will have to buy it and slice it myself in the store.
Ideally, I would like two 40" by 60" pieces, but I can fit two 8' lengths into the car if they are 40" wide. I will be able to expand a little beyond my previous years' dimensions.
BATMANI just cut mine in the parking lot. Take a knife score it and break it. If you want an accurate chop take a chalk line with you.
I did the same thing. Use a sharp blade.
York1 John
The implication is that you do not keep your maerials from year to year. If so, and 3/16 is readily available in the dementions you want, why not laminate two peices together to get your 3/8 thickness?
II think you willl find the foam board is much cheaper than the exturded foam.
Just my thought.
Good luck,
Richard
Shock Control I guess I will have to buy it and slice it myself in the store. I will check to see if Lowe's will do the slicing.
Bring along a Stanley utility knife with a new blade. You can score and snap a fairly clean line. Score both sides and use a low-angle with the knife otherwise the foam tends to "bunch up" under the knife.
[I see John gave the same advice. Good call!]
Good Luck, Ed
BATMANI just cut mine in the parking lot. Take a knife score it and break it.
Just don't do this on a windy day One former forum member who unfortunately passed away cut some pieces in the parking lot. The wind caught a couple of them and they were never found.
cowmanThe implication is that you do not keep your maerials from year to year. If so, and 3/16 is readily available in the dementions you want, why not laminate two peices together to get your 3/8 thickness? II think you willl find the foam board is much cheaper than the exturded foam. Just my thought. Good luck, Richard
I keep the boards for many years, but beacuse the layout isn't permanent, trees and telegraph poles end up in different places every year. After about 6 or 7 years, the boards become a swiss cheese, so I eventually get new boards.
I had considered stacking two 3/16" sections, but my laminating skills are not any better than my cutting skills, and i don't think the cost will be radically different. But thanks for the idea, I will think about this.
They sell a wide segmented utilliy knife at the $ store, works well on even beaded foam.
I ended up doing precisely this. It seemed like the path of least reistance. Thank you.