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Building a flatcar deck

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Posted by cats think well of me on Saturday, February 6, 2021 5:03 PM

Mister Beasley,

Thank you for sharing, those look great!

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, February 5, 2021 9:21 PM

I built these flats from Tichy kits.  They are intended to be used as idler flats for loading and unloading the carfloat.  The decking is made from NESL sheets, cut to size and teated with a wash of India Ink.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, February 4, 2021 12:18 AM

Thanks for your kind words, Alvie, and right back at ya, too, as that  flatcar deck turned out great!

 

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Posted by cats think well of me on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:24 PM

I did some weathering work on the flat-car deck. I may leave it like this for now and if nothing else, it's good practice. The base coat is Tamiya Surface Primer from a spray-can. I love that shade of gray. I made a wash of acrylic black paint thinned with alcohol (Model Master but any brand will do I think) and I went over it again with Monroe Models Sooty black weathering powder. It had gotten both paint and primer applied on the deck before and I'd gone over that paint with emory boards and sanding in various directions to add some wood grain. 

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Posted by cats think well of me on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 11:12 PM

Doctor Wayne,

Those results look spectacular for the loading dock on the model. 

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:29 AM

HO-Velo
...2016 saw me doing a loading dock plank by plank and I loved that project too....

Great-looking results, Peter.

I did a somewhat similar loading dock, likely at about the same time as you, but I used styrene...

...then distressed and painted some strip styrene...

...and hacked it into individual planks...

...I also painted the support framework...

...then added the deck...

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Posted by cats think well of me on Tuesday, February 2, 2021 6:41 PM

Hi all,

As the flatcar will have a load, I'm thinking I'll paint and weather the deck on the model. I'd already had some paint on there and earlier tonight gave it a layer of gray Tamiya Surface Primer from a spray-can. Next step is weathering it substantially with paints and weathering powders. I may just forego the board by board construction for now and just stick with the paint and weather plan. 

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Posted by HO-Velo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 4:46 PM

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I'll go with board by board construction.

Alvie, I admire your fortitude.  2016 saw me doing a loading dock plank by plank and I loved that project too.  Fearful of errant glue I stained the strip wood before cutting.  The strips bow when the stain is applied, but quickly weighting them down onto a flat surface helped; a piece of sheet glass works well as the strips pop off easily after drying.  With each strip taking the stains differently and the pieces placed individually a natural varied look is created.  My regret is not distressing the plank ends to portray a more timeworn appearance.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Tuesday, January 26, 2021 12:35 AM

I can't wait to see it when it's done! Please post pictures.

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Posted by cats think well of me on Monday, January 25, 2021 11:24 PM

Hi all, 

Thank you for the replies, I do appreciate it. I think I'll go with board by board construction. I did that on a flatcar model years ago and loved it. However, I'll forego the bolt head detail. The model will have a load on top anyway.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Monday, January 25, 2021 10:31 PM

I was going to post a picture in this thread, but I am glad I read all the replies first.

Bow

There is some really amazing modeling on display here. I need to up-my-game on flatcar decks.

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Posted by cv_acr on Monday, January 25, 2021 12:19 PM

doctorwayne

 ...while this one looks like it's wood, but with an even more complicated way of securing it...

 

Nailable steel floor, not wood. Where the paint is worn off is rust, not exposed wood.

The squares and cut-in bits are for load tie-downs, not securement of the deck itself.

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Posted by HO-Velo on Monday, January 25, 2021 12:07 PM

styrene might do the trick

These O.E.M. painted plastic decks were made to look like wood following and tweaking the late Harold Minkwitz's (Pacific Coast Air Line Railway) terrific techniques.  

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Posted by dknelson on Monday, January 25, 2021 10:13 AM

My feeling in situations like this is, you pick your realism level. 

If you want the little bolt heads (which as a practical matter need to be oversized to be seen from what would be "scale distance," as Dr Wayne's prototype photo makes clear), then absent some really tiresome hours at the drill press drilling into the brass deck, and then filling those holes, you are looking at adding a detailed deck on top of the undetailed deck.

So a deck twice as thick as prototype in the name of realism.  Hmmm.  As I say you have to pick your realism.

I think the more immediate challenge would be to find a way to bring realistic texture to the brass deck which you say is grooved but nothing beyond that.  In a sense that is a challenge also with the old Varney metal kits which also have a grooved deck.  

By texture I mean two things -- the surface "tooth" that even well maintained wood has that does not look like metal, and the wear and tear on the edges of a wood flatcar deck - the original clean crisp 90 degree angles on the wood pieces soon get worn away.  

I paint my metal decks with a Tamiya rattle can "Deck Tan" paint, although khaki camouflage would work.  A second coat is light gray.  I then attack the deck with a stiff wire brush in strokes that parallel the grooves of the wood decking.  The end result is a mix of the tan of freshly exposed wood and the gray of weatherbeaten wood.  Grinding with a harsh file at the edges of the deck gets the wear and tear I see on the prototype.  It may need a bit of touch up paint, and weathering powders and chalks as well.  I do  not obsess about getting a "separate board by board" look because most wood flatcar decks look pretty uniform in color and texture from scale distance.

If you do decide to add a deck above the metal deck, I'd go with the thinnest stuff possible.  Similarly when I add one of those nice laser cut decks to a plastic flatcar, I do try to (carefully) sand down the original deck a little just to avoid a deck that towers a scale foot or more too high.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, January 25, 2021 7:33 AM

doctorwayne
...while this one looks like it's wood, but with an even more complicated way of securing it...

I think this brings up another category: whether the car has some kind of enhanced securement or tie-down system.  I think that's what is shown in Wayne's picture, perhaps with the tiedowns being the things 'bolted' to the car structure and the decking only incidentally held down by that.  These would be poster children for 3D printing, perhaps even made 'operational' if intended to take hooks or specialized hardware...

Also note how age tends to chip away the edges of the decking, and some processes of aging or rot selectively affect some boards more than others.  Just as with ties in track, it pays to be prepared to address each one individually if the car is to be weathered.

I'd be at least tempted to use a paper or decal overlay of a photograph (or even painted rendition) of a weathered deck that has been Photoshopped or whatever to the right dimensions.  This might be very thin, likely a desired consideration.  Then tool this lightly to produce the fine surface detail in three dimensions.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Monday, January 25, 2021 1:19 AM
I’m haven’t worked with brass but would it be possible to use a scriber to accentuate the exiting “boards”.
 
I’m a fan of Peters sharp black pencil trick, and Wayne’s brush painting tip which I borrowed for these two flat cars which I scratch built from styrene and scribed the decks.
 
deck by Bear, on Flickr
 
Which brings me to my suggestion, that if scribing the brass decking is a no-go, perhaps scribing a deck from .010” styrene might do the trick. Just one caution though, don’t be too heavy with the scriber in case you score too deep and “cut” the styrene.
 
I should add though that I’m a fan of the “Three Foot Rule” and “Good Enough”.
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Posted by doctorwayne on Sunday, January 24, 2021 11:22 PM

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...The part that feels quite daunting is replicating the 100s of little bolt heads. Any ideas on how best to do that?

The bolt heads don't appear to be all that prominent on this car...

...and this one looks like it might be steel rather than wood...

...while this one looks like it's wood, but with an even more complicated way of securing it...

In an effort to get rid of some leftover stripwood, I did several of these bulkhead flats with wooden decks, but didn't bother with bolt heads...

...and did several of these Walthers flatcars (the source of those bulkhead ends) by simply painting the decks using a brush...

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, January 24, 2021 8:49 PM

Another option for the decking:

https://www.micromark.com/Ship-Decking

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, January 24, 2021 8:40 PM

Depends on the bolt spacing, any chance you know someone with a Pounce Wheel? It must have the exact spacing or it will stretch out or close up the bolt pattern.

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Posted by HO-Velo on Sunday, January 24, 2021 5:44 PM

Not that doing the deck with individual boards doesn't look great, but a less tedious option is Northeastern Scale Lumber's 1/32" thick 1/16" scribe sheathing.  A straight edge and awl works fairly well for making the 'bolt holes'.  If after staining the deck the 'bolt holes' aren't prominent enough they can be enhanced with the sharp point of a dark pencil.

Regards, Peter   

 

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Building a flatcar deck
Posted by cats think well of me on Sunday, January 24, 2021 4:55 PM

Hi All,

I recently painted and lettered a brass flatcar and aside grooves to simulate boards, it does not have much for deck detail. I'd like to add a deck, and though my go-to for other models are the wonderful decks from American Model Builders I didn't see one that even looked close to use as kitbashing fodder, so I'm thinking of building up one from stripwood. The strip wood part is easy enough I'll just get strip wood of the same width as the "boards" on the model. It's 9" but I'll get HO 1x10s and just sand them a bit. The part that feels quite daunting is replicating the 100s of little bolt heads. Any ideas on how best to do that? 

Alvie

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