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z scale helix
Posted by stickman716 on Monday, January 18, 2021 8:13 AM

building a z scale helix 4 track with 2% grade what should i make the radius and how much spaceing between layers

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Posted by dstarr on Monday, January 18, 2021 10:01 AM

Dunno why you would want to build a FOUR track helix.  Two tracks, one up, one down, ought to be plenty.  Spacing between layers need to be enough to pass high cars, say double stacks, PLUS room for a hand to reach in and rerail trains when necessary.  I am in HO so I don't know how high Z-scale is, but a hand ought to have at least an inch and a half.  Radius must be AT LEAST the minimum radius for Z-scale, what ever that is.  It would be nice to be able to stand up inside your helix to work on it, lay track, paint, whatever.  Call that 2 and half to three feet. 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Monday, January 18, 2021 10:10 AM

A 19° radius in Z scale would be 1’ 4½”.

 

Mel



 
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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, January 18, 2021 10:22 AM

RR_Mel
A 19° radius in Z scale would be 1’ 4½”.

That would be a little tight to stand inside the helix.Big Smile  But then the reason to model in z scale is you don't have 3' of room for a helix.  

The OP needs to know that the curve increases the effective grade (and the ability of the locos to pull the cars)  There is a formula for that in HO 32/R where r is the radius in inches.  I think the constant (32) is different for different scales and I don't know if John Armstrong ever dealt with Z scale.

Henry

COB Potomac & Northern

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Posted by RR_Mel on Monday, January 18, 2021 11:37 AM

Henry

I use the Handy Converter from Stan’s Trains for all my RR formulas, a lot easier than having to use my 83 year old brain.

The converter Z 19° 1’4½” curve is = 3’ 3¾” radius in HO.



Not having any info from the OP I guessed on the input to the Handy Converter.



This is the results from my input.  Click to enlarge.
 

Mel



 
My Model Railroad   
http://melvineperry.blogspot.com/
 
Bakersfield, California
 
I'm beginning to realize that aging is not for wimps.

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