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Dusting
Posted by hbgatsf on Saturday, December 19, 2020 7:53 AM

I have to admit that for over 25 years I have not felt the need to dust the layout or rolling stock.  I still haven't gotten around to weathering and the dust actually helps tune down the "new" look.

I recently have been working on finishing an area and decided to skim coat plywood.  In the process of sanding it smooth I now have white dust all over and need to address it.  Will any of the mini-vacs work well for this or is a feather duster more appropriate?

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Posted by MikeFF on Saturday, December 19, 2020 11:26 AM

George Selios uses an airbrush, in one hand, to loft the dust and a vacuum, in the other, to catch it. Also lofted is anything not glued down. So, use an old stocking over the mouth of the vacuum to catch the figures, etc.

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:08 PM

MikeFF
George Selios uses an airbrush, in one hand, to loft the dust and a vacuum, in the other, to catch it. Also lofted is anything not glued down. So, use an old stocking over the mouth of the vacuum to catch the figures, etc.

In my opinion, both of these tips deserve to be sticky-level wisdom.

What I used was one of the 'magnetic' (really, electrostatic) dusters, with enough agitation to move the dust off the surfaces.  If there was too much to 'cling' to the duster, I'd have a Shop-Vac or Electrolux vacuum hose nearby (with the special 'plaster dust' filter installed)... but I was not smart enough to put a stocking or gauze across the port!

At one point a vacuum manufacturer (I remember it as Hoover, but that might not be right, or the only one that did this) had one of these dusters that 'holstered' into a special cyclonic chamber on an upright vacuum cleaner.  You'd 'magnetically' dust, then put the duster into its place, turn on the vacuum, and have the thing cleaned with the HEPA filtration in the vacuum keeping fine dust from re-entering the room.  I'd think such an arrangement would be valuable for helping dust large layout areas, especially in conditions (as described in other posts here) where it is impossible to prevent dust from entering a layout room.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:17 PM

I'll have to try that air brush trick.

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Posted by selector on Saturday, December 19, 2020 12:46 PM

This is only good for two or three tries before one is simply displacing the crud in a non-productive way, but I use my pursed lips and a long-haired soft artist's brush.  Or, when I'm not feeling particularly lazy, I'll actually remove the item, walk eight steps to the outside of the building, and perform the same operation.

Works well enough for me.

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Posted by hbgatsf on Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:17 AM

Thanks for the tips.  I'll try the air brush idea.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:27 AM

There are also micro vacuum nozzle attachments that step down the shop vac hose diameter.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:52 AM

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There are also micro vacuum nozzle attachments that step down the shop vac hose diameter.

I used one of these for years, and it worked very well. It attached to a small (1 1/4") diameter shop vacuum hose.

Mine was similar to this one. I can't tell from this picture, but mine had an adjusable hole in the adpater that would let some air into the suction hose and reduce suction. This helped save a lot of smaller details.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:13 AM

Yeah, the adjustable spill orifice is an essential part of using any of the smaller attachments.  In fact I sometimes used a piece of cloth across part of the joint between the hose and the attachment to cut down the airflow through the hose as well as bypassing some of it around.  (But I still wasn't smart enough to rig a stocking or gauze across the end of the hose!)

Vacuum cleaners don't pick up by magic attraction, they pick up by using wind.  The trick is to have just the right amount of wind, through or around where you want it to entrain the dust and "little else".  Some of that is velocity and some of that is volume...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, December 20, 2020 11:42 AM

Unfortunately it is packed away, so I cannot get a picture.

I have a dusting brush that I might have bought from Micromark. It has perfectly straight soft bristles about 2 inches long, and it will safely brush dust away from all the delicate details.

Large make-up brushes have also worked well.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 20, 2020 1:46 PM

I wonder if a drafting-table brush would be useful for larger areas?  

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Posted by hbgatsf on Sunday, December 20, 2020 2:01 PM

Lastspikemike

Auto detailing shops sell dashboard brushes designed specifically for this type of dusting. Walmart type places may also sell these in their auto departments  

Make sure you leave enough dust behind for prototypical realism. 

 

 

Duh, I have some of those in the garage.  I'll have to go out and see what I have.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:35 PM

Make-up brush for the models, filtered vac hose for the rest.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:38 PM

Overmod
I wonder if a drafting-table brush would be useful for larger areas?

I had not thought about one of those.

Where would you even buy one of them? I had one 30 years ago.

What I really need is a good technique to get dust off of ground cover. Any ideas?

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Posted by selector on Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:44 PM

I would spray it with wet water, Kevin.  Once it washes off and onto the 'surface' material, you probably won't notice it if it's painted plaster or goop.  And by spray, I don't mean with a garden sprayer or a hose, just a spritz bottle.

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:45 PM

An art supply store would be my first place to check for any architect supplies.  That's where I got them when I took architectual drafting 40+ years ago.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Sunday, December 20, 2020 4:47 PM

Sorry, I should have said "completed scenery" rather than "ground cover".

Getting dust off of the countryside has always been a problem for me.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 20, 2020 5:00 PM

SeeYou190
What I really need is a good technique to get dust off of ground cover. Any ideas?

I'd take a leaf from the design of good patient ventilators.  What you want is a fairly high-volume low-pressure air-gun-like source that pulses air at high frequency, to levitate the dust, and the handheld vacuum nozzle to pull the dust away far enough from the delicate cover not to cause trouble.

Backstop it with a good whole-house electrostatic filter, and perhaps a good HEPA-type room air filter 'elsewhere' in the train room space.

A drafting brush might have to come from some Amazon seller or off eBay.  My favorite architecture store, Charrette, gave up the ghost in the recession, about 2009, but the rise of CAD had crippled it progressively long before.  Drafting supplies at chain office places are cute, but overpriced and not very good.

 

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Posted by woodman on Monday, December 21, 2020 6:34 PM

Exactly what I was thinking, I use a mini vac to clean a lot of surfaces,it's much easier to control.

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