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Posted by energizer on Sunday, September 20, 2020 1:38 AM

yes, Gary, that is it. found one place that has it in stock but was just looking for a chassis only. I will probably buy it and keep the old one for spare parts.

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Posted by garya on Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:37 PM

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I am new to the trains, it's a Chessie system Santa Fe #6012 made by model power it was a Loctite/permatex train set.

 

Not sure what you mean by "Chessie system Santa Fe."  Is this it?

http://hobbylinc.com/model-power-f2-a-dual-drive,-powered-w:light-chessie-system-ho-scale-model-train-diesel-locomotive-96802

 

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, September 19, 2020 2:10 PM

Sorry, Beausabre.  I meant that the OP would need to remove the correct F2 parts (supplied with the Highliners kit) from their sprue then assemble those parts onto the Highliners F-unit shell.  So, no "chopping" required.  Sorry for the confusion.

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Saturday, September 19, 2020 1:11 PM

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John would need to cut & assemble the correct parts then paint & detail the shell to create his Santa Fe F2A. 

OK, ya got me there, amigo. I thought a F2 was identical externally to a F3 Phase I, so do the folks at Highliners, so what would he have to chop up

https://highlinersonline.com/the-f2-f3-phase-i-a-b-units

For those unacquainted with diesel minutaie, after World War 2, shortages developed as companies converted from what they had made during wartime to their peacetime product lines. In the case of EMD, it temporarily couldn't produce a higher capacity generator. What they did offer, for four months in 1946, was a transitional model, the F2. It was essentially a F3 with a FT's 1350 horsepower model D8 generator and a model 567A engine detuned to run at 1350 horsepower instead of the F3's 1500 horsepower. But, said EMD, we'll be happy to sell you an upgrade kit with 1500 horsepower model D12 generator to convert your F2 to an F3 once we get this little problem sorted out. Nine roads bit for a total of 74 A units and 30 B units. I'm not sure how many got upgraded, but plenty of F's were upgraded to later phases and models by the railroad shops, some multiple times. This creates some mongrels - ATSF upgraded its F3's to F7's but didn't do anything to the dynamic brakes, which retained their grills instead of an exhaust fan. If you're a purist, you need to base your modeling on dated potographs.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:12 AM

 Chessie #6012 was offered as an individual item, so it's not a special production for a set. There may be OTHER things in the set if it was a special for Locktite that are unique to it, but the loco isn't. 

 You can find it in the online listings of some of those hobby shops who seem to have no clue how to do the Internet (or just show anything Walthers lists, in stock or not), as Model Power has been off the market for a few years now. Some even reference MRC, which owned Model Power for a time. There are a few for sale on eBay.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:39 AM

tstage
If the F2A is "negotiable"...

Just as a reality check, we can start by noting that, to my knowledge, neither ATSF nor any Chessie System predecessor had F2s, or any F-unit numbered 6012 (and by looking at other Model Power offerings, this was likely some internal model number or something 'selected' by them).  Since the "Chessie System" version is a complete fantasy paint scheme, the only real thing in this whole cluster he would need to 'retain' is the ATSF paint -- assuming he bought the Model Power set to get the warbonnet style.  

I suspect when he says "Chessie System Santa Fe 6012" one railroad name refers to the set packaging he bought it in (although from "Loctite/Permatex" I thought that was one of the dedicated 'product promotion' sets) and the other name references the paint scheme on the locomotive (which is the issue of concern in finding suitable 'replacements' in real HO scale for it).  There are three 'variables' in his sentence (Santa Fe, Chessie System, and Loctite/Permatex) and he has to explain what each of them means ... and which, if any, are important to him when choosing a more-to-scale as well as better-constructed replacement.

I would point him at a reference like this one:

http://trainweb.org/jfuhrtrain/CF7frames/F3F7F9.html

and just let him decide which of those locomotives best suit his purpose or interest ... then look for them at his LHS, online source, or on the Bay, depending on his preference.  (I would personally recommend one of the units with Farr air-filter grilles, as I think getting the chicken-wire 'right' is a major modeling 'labor of love' that won't matter if you don't need it). 

 

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:21 AM

Unfortunately, if John has his heart on an F2A, he'll have to go with either another Model Power version...or the Highliners shell on another chassis, as mentioned earlier.  Stewart makes an FT, F3, and an F7 but no F2.

The Highliners shells are beautiful but not inexpensive.  John would need to cut & assemble the correct parts then paint & detail the shell to create his Santa Fe F2A.  And the chicken wire screens along the top and sides of the shell don't come with the kit so they must be purchased separately.  Not a small undertaking overall.

If the F2A is "negotiable", right now there are two "Buy It Now", NIB Stewart Santa Fe F3As on ebay for $75: One warbonnet; the other blue & gold.  (Unfortunately, no Chessis System though.)  That would be the most cost-effective route and John would have a way better looking and smoother running locomotive than his Model Power F2A.

FWIW...

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, September 19, 2020 5:38 AM

Hi Energizer. I hate to be a baddie here, but that is just not worth fixing unless it has a strong personal value to you.

The better option would be to just replace the whole unit with a Stewart F Unit that you like.

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Posted by energizer on Saturday, September 19, 2020 12:47 AM

I am new to the trains, it's a Chessie system Santa Fe #6012 made by model power it was a Loctite/permatex train set.

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Posted by tstage on Friday, September 18, 2020 11:19 PM

You're right, me wee laddie. Laugh  Fixed...

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, September 18, 2020 10:27 PM

tstage

I think it would probably be cheaper (and definitely more accurate) to purchase a Highlanders shell and put it on either a Stewart of Athearn chassis.

 
Might have a Scottish movie mixed up with an F she'll brand - Highliner!  Clown
 
I agree if that is the F, replace it with a much nicer looking and running Stewart!

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Posted by tstage on Friday, September 18, 2020 10:12 PM

I think it would probably be cheaper (and definitely more accurate) to purchase a Highlanders Highliners shell and put it on either a Stewart of Athearn chassis.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, September 18, 2020 9:04 PM

 Looks like some mad combination of an FM C liner and an EMD F unit. Wow. Talk about not getting the nose contour even remotely close. 

 If that is the loco in question, fitting anything else under it will require some work, since it's meant for a truck mounted coupler. Any potential replacement chassis, even Athearn, use body, or chassis, mounted couplers. 

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Posted by garya on Friday, September 18, 2020 8:23 PM

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Did Model Power make an F2?  I know they made an FA-2, but that's not the same beastie as an F2A.

If it's an EMD F unit, I'd say get a Stewart drive.  You can frequently find them on Ebay for somewhere between 30 and 50 bucks.

Apparently they did, though it doesn't look that much like an F2A to me:

 

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, September 18, 2020 8:21 PM

tstage

John's opening sentence states that it's Model Power.  I had the same question until I re-read the post again...

Tom

 

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Friday, September 18, 2020 6:05 PM

Did Model Power make an F2?  I know they made an FA-2, but that's not the same beastie as an F2A.

If it's an EMD F unit, I'd say get a Stewart drive.  You can frequently find them on Ebay for somewhere between 30 and 50 bucks.

 

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Posted by tstage on Friday, September 18, 2020 5:26 PM

John's opening sentence states that it's Model Power.  I had the same question until I re-read the post again...

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, September 18, 2020 5:16 PM

Sounds like zinc pest.  Brand would help.

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CHASSIS FOR F2A
Posted by energizer on Friday, September 18, 2020 4:58 PM

Looking for a chassis for an F2A model power chassis system, Santa FE CO #6012. The chassis was a bad pour it seems, it just crumbled in my hands. It did run great, pulling 10 rolling stock. Any help would be appreciated. Looking for a replacement of some sort. Any ideas?
Thank you, John

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