Hi guys!
Although I've been purchasing Walthers and Rapido passenger cars for a long time I decided to keep my 1980's production Rivarossi Budds instead of selling them. They were metalized and lightly detailed a few years ago.
I know I'm being sentimental. Although my first HO passengers cars were "Athearn Shorties", the Rivarossi's were the first passengers cars that I really started to tinker with and spruce up to make them look more prototypical.
I'm considering updating them with Walthers trucks. Truck adapters are now available, through Shapeways, to make installing Walthers trucks to Rivs, AHM's, and ICH cars possible. Here is a photo of the Shapeways adapters:
My question is: Has anyone purchased and installed these adapters? If so, how do you like them? Any issues to be aware of?
Thank you
"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
I have not used these, but I am also curious if they work well.
I hope someone chimes in with some information.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
What's the purpose of the adapters? I have a couple of Rivarossi cars with non-Rivarossi trucks. I simply plugged the holes for the stock trucks and drilled new ones to mount Athearn and MDC trucks. I can't see the Walthers trucks being any more difficult - simply build mounting bosses using sheet styrene on the car's underbody and similar material to plug the big hole in the Walthers truck-bolsters. Drill and tap as appropriate, and it should be suitable. I'm currently saving-up Walthers trucks to redo a number of my Rivarossi cars, which will allow me to add more weight without fear of ruining the trucks' sideframes.It'll be some time before I work on mine, so I'm hoping that you'll give us a blow-by-blow description of the process - perhaps it's not as simple as it appears at first glance.
Wayne
The Walthers passenger car trucks have a very unusual low mount with a large center hole that requires special work to get it to fit on non-Walthers passenger cars.
I bought a pair of the Walthers trucks a couple years ago for an express refrigerated boxcar. When I saw how much work would be involved, I said nope.
Ed did a magnificent job making them work underneath one of his passenger cars, but it was a lot of work.
It would be nice if these bolster adapters really work.
SeeYou190Ed did a magnificent job making them work underneath one of his passenger cars, but it was a lot of work.
Thank you, Kevin
Centersill-parts by Edmund, on Flickr
For me it was simply a matter of using what was at hand. I made a portion of new center sill and located the bolster center. In addition to epoxy, I also screwed the center sill piece from inside the car floor to make sure it stayed in place.
On a styrene car floor solvent cement would probably be sufficient.
PRR_POC70Rbolster2 by Edmund, on Flickr
Using Evergreen styrene tubing I built up a new center pin. I believe it was .125 cemented inside a length of .187 tubing.
PRR_POC70Rbolster by Edmund, on Flickr
The Walthers truck was much better detailed and rolled better as well for my PRR car. Walthers has an excellent selection of passenger trucks.
PRR_POC70R by Edmund, on Flickr
Good Luck, Ed
Doc, guys, thanks for the responses!
GM Pullman, impressive work!
I forgot to mention that (see in the photos) I installed metal wheels on my Rivarossi units on the stock trucks. Yes, the cars roll like speed skates!
(still needs body mounted couplers and end details)
But the reason I want to go wtih the Walthers trucks is because they look more realistic. Plus, from my understanding, metal needle point axles evenually hone out the plastic journals on the Riv-AHM-IHC trucks (which happened on the rear truck of one of my observation cars. It was comical seeing it wobbling vertically, one evening, at a club layout).
Walthers offers a nice selection of GSC-41 series trucks and two of the offerings more closely resemble the trucks used on the prototype ACL and SAL Budd varnish during the 1960's.
As Kevin mentioned (thanks!), the Walthers trucks have a low-slung mount. From my understanding, the Shapeways adapters help with the issue. I'm willing to give it a try.
The Riv Budds are generic by today's standards, and the Walthers and Rapido units are much more accurate and better detailed. However, for me it's a lot of fun to take an inexpensive, bland looking car that some modelers would not want and spruce it up to a level that garners positive reactions.
I still have a bunch of the IHC diecast, free rolling trucks they made in the 1980s. They were beautiful in their day!
IHC_trucks by Edmund, on Flickr
Look what I paid back in the '80s! They made a separate adapter plate (bolster) you bought separately. They were available in black or silver.
IHC_trucks-black by Edmund, on Flickr
That brake rigging is beautiful. They were supplied with axle wipers if you wanted lighting. These added considerable drag but still not bad.
IHC_trucks-silver by Edmund, on Flickr
They were great tracking trucks, fully sprung and equalized.
Cheers, Ed
Walthers has this same adapter on sale now for $3.98 for a package of 24 Part num 920-2310
Ok,
I'm curious. To those of you that have used the Walthers adapaters mentioned above, how do you install them. Are any mods to the truck(s) and shell's floor required?