ATLANTIC CENTRALMaryland is very interesting when it comes to snow. We are very much on the freeze/thaw line, so it can get icy quick.
We consider Southwest Florida to be kind of the 7/10 split of hurricane alley. Where we are positioned it is very hard for a forceful hurricane to come around Cuba, hook East, and hit us.
Then came 2004, when we got effected by four in one year.
If you take 2004 out of the mix, we statistically have very few hurricanes here.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190 ATLANTIC CENTRAL I would rather blow snow on my red tractor Nope... have seen more than enough snow in my lifetime. I think I have been in snow five or six times now. I am not looking forward to dealing with that stuff ever again. -Kevin
ATLANTIC CENTRAL I would rather blow snow on my red tractor
Nope... have seen more than enough snow in my lifetime. I think I have been in snow five or six times now. I am not looking forward to dealing with that stuff ever again.
Maryland is very interesting when it comes to snow. We are very much on the freeze/thaw line, so it can get icy quick.
Some winters we get next to no snow, three or four little 3" storms. Then some winters..........30" in 12 hours......
Sheldon
ATLANTIC CENTRALI would rather blow snow on my red tractor
SeeYou190 York1 From what I've heard, the hurricane doors have hinge pins that are not easily removed. The hinge pins are welded in place an sealed. They are not coming out without a torch or grinder. maxman Hmmmm. Never thought about this. Does this mean that there are no screen doors in South Florida? Or is the weather so hot and miserable all the time so that no one wants to let the outside air in? You cannot have a screen door in the same opening as the entry door. I had a screened walkway about eight feet long with a screen door at the end of it. Kind of like an outside screened hallway. That has been removed. Doughless I live in Georgia, and our doors are the same as yankee doors, inswing. I read the code for South Florida. If I read it right, it says they must be outswinging now. Probably since Hurricane Andrew. Not sure why they couldn't just put plywood over an inswing like they do windows. All doors and windows must meet Category 5 "Dade County" specifications now. Plywood is no longer acceptable for new construction or remodels, nor are most roll-up shutters, or accordion shutters. My new windows are double-paned impact glass. Over $1,500 each! Ugh! My rear slider is insane. Still not installed. I am sick of it being in the garage. Hurricane prep now is literally nothing. No shutters, plywood, or shields. I can watch the storm with an unrestricted view through my impact windows. There are doors that swing inwards that meet Cat-5 standards, but they are much more expensive than an outswing door. I think the price difference was around $1,200.00 for my door. My new front door will supposedly stop a 0.38 bullet. The garage door is the last opening on my house that is not up to Cat-5 standards. The new garage door will not be too expensive, only about $1,000.00 after hurricane season and they are on sale. I will lose about 6 inches of garage length for all the interior bracing on the new door. -Kevin
York1 From what I've heard, the hurricane doors have hinge pins that are not easily removed.
The hinge pins are welded in place an sealed. They are not coming out without a torch or grinder.
maxman Hmmmm. Never thought about this. Does this mean that there are no screen doors in South Florida? Or is the weather so hot and miserable all the time so that no one wants to let the outside air in?
You cannot have a screen door in the same opening as the entry door.
I had a screened walkway about eight feet long with a screen door at the end of it. Kind of like an outside screened hallway.
That has been removed.
Doughless I live in Georgia, and our doors are the same as yankee doors, inswing. I read the code for South Florida. If I read it right, it says they must be outswinging now. Probably since Hurricane Andrew. Not sure why they couldn't just put plywood over an inswing like they do windows.
All doors and windows must meet Category 5 "Dade County" specifications now.
Plywood is no longer acceptable for new construction or remodels, nor are most roll-up shutters, or accordion shutters.
My new windows are double-paned impact glass. Over $1,500 each! Ugh! My rear slider is insane. Still not installed. I am sick of it being in the garage. Hurricane prep now is literally nothing. No shutters, plywood, or shields. I can watch the storm with an unrestricted view through my impact windows.
There are doors that swing inwards that meet Cat-5 standards, but they are much more expensive than an outswing door. I think the price difference was around $1,200.00 for my door. My new front door will supposedly stop a 0.38 bullet.
The garage door is the last opening on my house that is not up to Cat-5 standards. The new garage door will not be too expensive, only about $1,000.00 after hurricane season and they are on sale. I will lose about 6 inches of garage length for all the interior bracing on the new door.
I would rather blow snow on my red tractor..........
This inswing door is wood, build just like they did in 1901 when the house was built. It is 18" off the ground and the snow was 8" above the threshold that morning.
York1From what I've heard, the hurricane doors have hinge pins that are not easily removed.
maxmanHmmmm. Never thought about this. Does this mean that there are no screen doors in South Florida? Or is the weather so hot and miserable all the time so that no one wants to let the outside air in?
DoughlessI live in Georgia, and our doors are the same as yankee doors, inswing. I read the code for South Florida. If I read it right, it says they must be outswinging now. Probably since Hurricane Andrew. Not sure why they couldn't just put plywood over an inswing like they do windows.
I would guess getting in and out would be a problem after you nailed plywood over it.
maxman Doughless If you wanted to add a screen door or storm door to the entry you will not be able to do so if the door swings outward. Doughless In South Florida, it is the norm for all exterior doors to swing outward. It is also code. Hmmmm. Never thought about this. Does this mean that there are no screen doors in South Florida? Or is the weather so hot and miserable all the time so that no one wants to let the outside air in?
Doughless If you wanted to add a screen door or storm door to the entry you will not be able to do so if the door swings outward.
Doughless In South Florida, it is the norm for all exterior doors to swing outward. It is also code.
Hmmmm. Never thought about this. Does this mean that there are no screen doors in South Florida? Or is the weather so hot and miserable all the time so that no one wants to let the outside air in?
I live in Georgia, and our doors are the same as yankee doors, inswing. I read the code for South Florida. If I read it right, it says they must be outswinging now. Probably since Hurricane Andrew.
Not sure why they couldn't just put plywood over an inswing like they do windows.
- Douglas
Not for nothing, the author is modeling the PRR Chestnut Hill Branch,and the majority of the row houses between North Philadelphia and Midvale (Budd Hunting Park Plant), are as he modeled. These are known as Workingman's Row Homes, and many date back to the 1880s.
Philadelphia row homes differ by neighborhood, and era built. The structures shownin the linked magazine article, for instance, are three to four story, multi-family and commercial structures, closer to the city center. Some homes date back to Colonial times.
Boris
First. A guy on shapeways has Philly home false fronts that capture the poarch and all. Along with corner stores.
luke towan just did a project with an inexpensive laser cutter that does cut thick styrene
Now that I think of it, I don't remember a model of a house with a screen door at all anywhere
Shane
A pessimist sees a dark tunnel
An optimist sees the light at the end of the tunnel
A realist sees a frieght train
An engineer sees three idiots standing on the tracks stairing blankly in space
DoughlessIf you wanted to add a screen door or storm door to the entry you will not be able to do so if the door swings outward.
DoughlessIn South Florida, it is the norm for all exterior doors to swing outward. It is also code.
York1 cv_acr Who installs a house door that opens OUT? Not anywhere I've ever lived... The southeast U.S. Hurricane doors open outward. They are much stronger than doors that open inward.
cv_acr Who installs a house door that opens OUT? Not anywhere I've ever lived...
The southeast U.S.
Hurricane doors open outward. They are much stronger than doors that open inward.
There are differences based on geographical priorities. Some discussions about the reasonings for the differences:
Inswing exterior doors.
Outswing esterior doors:
Outswing door could be more secure from breakins, kick ins.
In South Florida, it is the norm for all exterior doors to swing outward. It is also code. The doors must not only pass a forced entry test but also a water infiltration test.
For many years we lived in a townhouse, growing up in Nebraska. Its back door was neither inswing or outswing. It was a slider. The "landing" was a 12 inch tread that started a 4 step staircase.
cv_acrWho installs a house door that opens OUT? Not anywhere I've ever lived...
York1 John
whitrothEXCEPT... the front steps are wrong. Follow me here: you walk up the steps, knock on the door, and someone opens the door. And it smashes into your shins. All front steps have a landing at the top, wide enough that you can stand on without being hit by the foor....
And it smashes into your shins.
All front steps have a landing at the top, wide enough that you can stand on without being hit by the foor....
Who installs a house door that opens OUT?
Not anywhere I've ever lived...
Chris van der Heide
My Algoma Central Railway Modeling Blog
rayw46If the outside door of a house swings out, the hinges would be on the outside and any fool could simply remove the pins from the hinge and remove the door; no picking locks, breading doors down, busting glass, etc.
I'm not an expert, so if I'm wrong, someone can correct.
From what I've heard, the hurricane doors have hinge pins that are not easily removed.
Doors that open outward, especially double doors which normally are weaker, are much more resistant to wind pressure.
Ray,
With old school hinges, that's right.
Modern doors have other means. I'm sure Kevin's hurricane-rated door doesn't make it easy on looters after it's protected your house from the wind, for instance.
Mike Lehman
Urbana, IL
I *may* have been thinking of storm doors.... However, consider this: you're standing a step or so down, and reaching *up* to unlock the door. Esp. in rain or snow.... Anyway, a sample:
https://www.phillymag.com/property/2017/02/03/philadelphia-rowhome-lessons/
I'm confused. A doors hinges are always on the side of the door swing; thus outside doors swings in, the hinges being on the inside. There is method in this madness. If the outside door of a house swings out, the hinges would be on the outside and any fool could simply remove the pins from the hinge and remove the door; no picking locks, breading doors down, busting glass, etc.
Ray
danno54You’ll notice none of those doors above have storm doors. Those buildings could be 100 years old. Long before OSHA.
First, OSHA has nothing to do with residential building codes.
Second, in the top picture, 50% of the doors which can be clearly seen do have storm doors.
Third, the IRC (International Residential Code), specificly allows those storm doors, as I sited above, on steps that meet its current guildlines.
The houses in the top picture are in Baltimore, within a street or two I know where that is from the TV transmission tower in the background.
Those houses are indeed 100 years old or more, it is after all a 300 year old city. And those houses are exempt from current new construction codes.
100 year old houses are a specialty of mine, I restore them for a living.
whitrothAll front steps have a landing at the top, wide enough that you can stand on without being hit by the [ d]oor....
Happens sometimes, not in others. The author's models look plausible based on variations found on the prototype.
Rob Spangler
So this is a post about being "nit picky" It is Philly not Phillie.
My parents owned a row home on Friendship St. In Mayfair area. Those houses had a garage and small basement at ground level and two stories above there was a small yard out front with a terrace and flat area at the top so you enter at the first floor level. I still remember some people still having coal delivered through a window on the front of the house into the basement. My father could bank a fire for overnight heat and could probably have fired a steam engine
SeeYou190 Overmod I have never lived in a house where the inside door, the main door, didn't hinge to the inside. Down here we only have one front door, not an inside and outside door. As far as I have seen, nearly all "Category 5" doors hinge to the outside. Older doors hinged to the inside. My new front door (cat-5) opens outward. That change took a little while to get used to. -Kevin
Overmod I have never lived in a house where the inside door, the main door, didn't hinge to the inside.
Down here we only have one front door, not an inside and outside door.
As far as I have seen, nearly all "Category 5" doors hinge to the outside. Older doors hinged to the inside.
My new front door (cat-5) opens outward. That change took a little while to get used to.
Out swing door, is it under a porch? That simply does not work in places with winter weather. Only commercial buildings normally have out swing doors here.
I know Baltimore real well, and Philly and DC moderately well, and there are lots of row house steps without landings.........
On new construction today, the IRC requires landings, EXCEPT on the exterior side of an inswing door served by steps containing no more than two risers.
And it specificly allows screen and storm doors to open over the stairs.
Existing buildings are exempt from these requirements, especially these ones were the steps are on the public sidewalk.......
I don't mind nit-pickers so much so long as they provide examples from their own layouts on how they did it right...
Except that very rarely happens and the nit-picking goes on and on.
Just saying, there are better ways to educate on a topic if it's that important than by starting out with taking someone else's efforts down a couple of notches.
Speaking of the Craft Cutter article, I was very disappointed to read that the stupid things still won't cut all the way through .020" styrene. While I certainly liked what the author did to make fine details pieces such as trusses and car doors, I prefer to make my structures from .040" styrene for strength and to control warping. Yes, I could layer up to .040" using .010" and .020" styrene but I won't be purchasing ANY craft cutter until the manufacturer claims it will reliably cut all the way through .040" styrene in ALL of their product literature. I know that model railroading does not fall into the craft hobby these cutting machines target, but I suspect a lot more cutters would be sold to modeler railroaders if these cutters could reliably and accurately cut through .040" styrene.
Hornblower
dehusmanI would say that in the older parts of Phillie with narrow streets, 2 stories and no landing is quite common.
Philly_1 by Edmund, on Flickr
Lawn care is a breeze. Parking — not so much.
whitrothAll front steps have a landing at the top, wide enough that you can stand on without being hit by the foor....
Another popular model RRer's saying — There's a prototype for everything.
Cheers, Ed
OvermodI have never lived in a house where the inside door, the main door, didn't hinge to the inside.
You sure about that?
I just checked a couple spots around Phillie and the second place I picked at random, 2335 S Chadwick St., were all 2 story row homes with no "landing" at the top step (except where the owner modified it). Third place I checked, 407 Daly St, same thing, 2 stories, no landing. I then went up to Pt Richmond, 3041 Almond St and same thing, 2 stories, no landing. Zoomed up to Manyunk, hit one spot that had 3 stories and landings, but the next spot, 4520 Smick St, 2 storeis and no landing.
I would say that in the older parts of Phillie with narrow streets, 2 stories and no landing is quite common.
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whitrothAll front steps have a landing at the top, wide enough that you can stand on without being hit by the door....
I have never lived in a house where the inside door, the main door, didn't hinge to the inside. Storm doors, screen doors: those hinge out, but if you are caught by one of those it's not like there was no warning. Heaven knows that's not the case with many row homes, though! I musta had a sheltered upbringing...