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What Trucks For These Cars?

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Posted by doctorwayne on Friday, February 21, 2020 9:32 AM

BN7150
...is the era from 1890 to 1910?....

I don't think that there were as many restrictions in that era as there were later. 

BN7150
It means that Fox trucks, MCBA standard archbars, Andrews, and Bettendorf T-sections were the latest.

Andrews trucks first appeared in 1898, and one of their features was the ability to accommodate the journal boxes from older archbar trucks

The one-piece Bettendorf sideframes date from 1903.

As I mentioned previously, archbar trucks were prohibited in interchange service from July 1, 1940. and on January 1, 1953, T- and L-section Bettendorf trucks were banned from interchange.

Likewise, on January 1, 1954, any truck with I-, T-, L-, and U-section compression and tension members were banned from interchange, and that included U-section Andrews and Bettendorf trucks.

A lot of MoW equipment was older cars, often modified, but also could have been purpose-built by the railroad's own shops, and if they had older outlawed trucks still on hand, the preference would be to use those, rather than puchase new ones, especially if the car was one unlikely to ever appear in interchange service.

So, depending on the modeller's chosen layout era, the trucks mentioned could have been in widespread use, including interchange, or, for later eras, relegated to non-interchange use only.

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Posted by BN7150 on Friday, February 21, 2020 2:14 AM

If Americans of major railroads were in non-revenue service, is the era from 1890 to 1910? It means that Fox trucks, MCBA standard archbars, Andrews, and Bettendorf T-sections were the latest. In general, wood beams were the mainstay, assuming that the MOW uses equipment from a time ago. The archbars had hybrid structure of wood and wrought iron, with wheel base of 5-foot or less and eliptic springs.

Here are some illustrations from the old Car Builder's Dictionary.

from 1879 edition

Central Railroad of New Jarsey


Boston & Albany Railroad


New York Central Railroad

from 1888 edition

New York, West Shore & Buffalo Railway


Philadelphia & Reading Railroad

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Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:47 PM

Yeah, archbar trucks were quite common on MoW equipment. They were outlawed for interchange service after July 1, 1940, but few MoW cars were interchanged.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, February 20, 2020 6:58 PM

Ok wrong again, it is a Roundhouse, not a Tichy, but I still don't remember trucks like that.  I think mine are Bettendorf, but arch bar would probably be better.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 6:03 PM

BATMAN
Would these be a good choice?

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Yes, those are perfect for transition era maintenance of way equipment.

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:25 PM

You can't go wrong with Kadee Yes

Some of their replacement trucks I've used are the "Self-Centering" variety. These require the bolster sleeve to be filed flat and the supplied 2-56 screws to be used. The ones you link to are not this style so should be a quick, easy replacement.

I believe the car on the right was a Roundhouse old timer kit?

 Gramps_sm1 by Edmund, on Flickr

On the left: a former caboose of some sort. Many of the Tyco cars had Talgo trucks, I believe.

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Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:45 PM

Thanks for the replies so far. Would these be a good choice?

https://www.pwrs.ca/view_product.php?ProductID=88360

Other suggestions welcome. I have a good size credit at PWRS so any other suggestions before I order?

https://www.pwrs.ca/product_search.php?f_Scales%5B%5D=1&f_Manufacturers%5B%5D=380&f_ProductTypes=null&f_Keywords=&f_Types%5B%5D=434&f_HasSound=0&f_HasDCC=0

Thanks.

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Posted by oldline1 on Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:40 PM

The car on the right looks like an old MDC (Roundhouse) car and those trucks are what I believe came with the car. The car on the left looks like some sort of kitbash.

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Posted by gmpullman on Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:28 PM

A guide:

https://mrr.trains.com/~/media/import/files/pdf/4/c/c/mr_pi_5-06_freightcartrucks.pdf

The trucks on the right look like Fox pressed steel trucks, the left, caboose or express trucks, with one axle derailed Embarrassed.

For vintage M-of-W equipment you can't go wrong with archbar trucks.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, February 20, 2020 3:05 PM

The one on the right looks like my Tichy, but I'm sure I don't have trucks that look like that.  My knowledge of trucks is pretty lame.

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What Trucks For These Cars?
Posted by BATMAN on Thursday, February 20, 2020 2:46 PM

I have these on a MOW train pulled by my 4-4-0 and want to put new trucks on them. Can you wiser than me gentlemen please give me an era-correct suggestion? Also, are these Tyco cars?

As always, thanks.

Brent

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