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Question about Walthers "New River Mining Company" kit
Posted by Onewolf on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:22 AM

I am working on the Walthers New River Mining Company kit and I have been unable to figure out where exactly parts #46 x 8 should be installed? I don't see them on the reference photo supplied with the kit.

Thanks for assistance.

 

 

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:41 AM

 I do believe they go on the tops of each leg, up under the building, as braces. The square filled angle is the one that goes against the leg, with the opposite side of the triangle against the underside of the floor. Mine's (ha!) unbuilt but packed away and unreachable to look at.

 Looks like you left off the outrigger leg on the right where there's a big overhang, since there are 4 legs and 4 braces (part 46) per side.

                 

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Posted by Onewolf on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:53 AM

rrinker

 I do believe they go on the tops of each leg, up under the building, as braces. The square filled angle is the one that goes against the leg, with the opposite side of the triangle against the underside of the floor. Mine's (ha!) unbuilt but packed away and unreachable to look at.

 Looks like you left off the outrigger leg on the right where there's a big overhang, since there are 4 legs and 4 braces (part 46) per side.

                 

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Good catch on the missing outrigger leg!  I'm still having trouble envisioning the geometry of how the triangular braces are supposed to mount.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:58 AM

 The part of it to the left, on the sprue, goes against the leg, with the side to the right on the sprue, up under the floor above. 

 The picture on the instructions isn;t detailed enough to show that one corner of the triangle is not like the others and has that squre, representing a gusset plate, on it. 

 Kind of like - the arms up in the air from those stupid air inflated things car dealers set out.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:59 AM

rrinker
 I do believe they go on the tops of each leg, up under the building, as braces. The square filled angle is the one that goes against the leg, with the opposite side of the triangle against the underside of the floor.

That my thought as well, BUT, I have never built the kit.

And, for whatever reason, the photo of the "completed" structure on Walthers web site doesn't show those peices installed, where we think they go. Confused

I did notice the missing supports on the right.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, February 14, 2020 8:03 AM

 They may not put them on because they may not clear a taller locomotive running under the loading area. Especially if the track is raised on roadbed.

 So you might want to check when you plan to run under there before installing them. If just shoving open hoppers in to 'load', there shouldn't be a problem. If you sexpect the locos to pull a string of cars under there, you might want to measure the clearance.

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Posted by Onewolf on Friday, February 14, 2020 8:16 AM

rrinker

 They may not put them on because they may not clear a taller locomotive running under the loading area. Especially if the track is raised on roadbed.

 So you might want to check when you plan to run under there before installing them. If just shoving open hoppers in to 'load', there shouldn't be a problem. If you sexpect the locos to pull a string of cars under there, you might want to measure the clearance.

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This leads me to believe you are implying these braces would be mounted perpendicular to the track direction.  It seems to me that in that configuration there would be SIX of these braces on each end of the building's three track loading lanes?  But there are only 8 of these braces supplied with the kit.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, February 14, 2020 9:09 AM

I don't have the kit either but from a review of the drawing, it seems clear that Randy is correct. There are four legs on each side of the raised structure, so eight braces would be needed. If you look closely at the drawing, the two braces on the right clearly go flat up against the underside of the raised structure, per the dotted lines. The two braces on the left also go flat up against the underside of the raised structure, but the dotted lines are less clear - - -  but they are there.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, February 14, 2020 9:20 AM

On the instructon sheet, the only place it shows the attachment lines correct are for the two to the right - the dotted line becomes a solid line leading to the attachment point.

 The way the sprue is sitting in that photo (assuming it isn't displaying here flipped or any silly thing that happens occasionally), you would turn one of them 90 degreed counter clockwise, and then it goes to the leg in that orientation. Like a Y (with the vertical part of the leg continuing up). The leg is the vertical leg of the Y, these braces are the arms.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, February 14, 2020 9:23 AM

I just did some Googling around, looking at images.  Some have those braces on, some don't.

You would think that those braces would be shown on page 2 of the instructions, that shows the "under" view of that loading area, but they are not.

If you cut one of the braces in half, using each half on the side columns, and the full braces on the center columns, you could get by with a total of 6 pieces, but Walthers gives you 8, so you can trim part of the brace off that go on the side columns.

I think I'd just leave them off.  They seam to be an "option".  The picture of their N scale kit shows the braces in place, the picture of the HO scale kit omits them.

Your call if you want them on there or not.

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Posted by mikeGTW on Friday, February 14, 2020 9:28 AM

Onewolf   if you look at the drawing  the out side ones get cut in half  see the dashed lines and the vertical iine on them

they all go up against the face of the uprights under the front edge of the building

I've built two of these  took me a bit to get it but  they do help brace the uprights from moving side to side

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Friday, February 14, 2020 11:21 AM

Even Ikea does a better job of assembly directions huh!?

I bought the New River Mine because it copies a real mine on the D&RGW craig branch and at the time I was looking for a mine kit that had the right look for Rio Grande.  How lucky am I?

I'm not modeling the Craig branch but it also approimates a lot of mines in the region so I'll be protolancing it for a location west of Grand Junction.

Nice job!

 

Oh, btw, what brackets do you recommend to support a 2 foot wide yard?  I will be needing some to screw into the studs to support it above the staging yard.  Might add some long threaded rods for additional support along the outer edge too.

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Posted by gmpullman on Friday, February 14, 2020 7:12 PM

mbinsewi
And, for whatever reason, the photo of the "completed" structure on Walthers web site doesn't show those peices installed, where we think they go.

I wonder if they were added in later revisions of the kit. My kit was built in the late '90s and there were no braces included for the legs:

 NRM_4 by Edmund, on Flickr

Now 'ya got me scratching my noggin. I'll have to dig out the original instructions and see if that detail is there. Walthers re-tooled some stuff and also changed some things when they moved the production to China. I believe my kit was made in Denmark.

The Diamond Coal mine was a later kit. Walthers has been known to share parts between kits. The braces clearly show on their artwork here:

https://www.walthers.com/diamond-coal-corporation-kit-19-3-8-x-13-3-16-x-7-1-2-quot-49-2-x-33-4-x-19cm

Perhaps when they tooled Diamond they decided to use some of the parts to "upgrade" New River?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, February 14, 2020 8:14 PM

rrinker
Kind of like - the arms up in the air from those stupid air inflated things car dealers set out.

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riogrande5761
Even Ikea does a better job of assembly directions huh!?

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I don't know why you would mention Ikea as the "does a better job" example. Ikea instructions are the best.

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Ikea will insert a 32 page instruction book just to be sure that every step is easy to understand.

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Have you had trouble figuring out Ikea instructions? I do not know anyone else who has.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, February 14, 2020 8:19 PM

It's been made clear where the parts go, it's up to the OP if he wants to put them in.

Remember what Randy said, they may be in the way of bigger switch engines.

The directions do suck, they should show them on page 2, the underside of the loading area.

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Posted by mikeGTW on Friday, February 14, 2020 8:53 PM
I just went down and checked ran a GP9 under it had plenty of room no problem at all
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Posted by richhotrain on Saturday, February 15, 2020 5:06 AM

I just downloaded the "instructions" from the Walthers web site. Actually, there are no instructions, just the graphics.   Sad

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, February 15, 2020 5:33 AM

mbinsewi
The directions do suck, they should show them on page 2, the underside of the loading area.

That's the way the instructions are for the Diamond Mine:

 Diamond_coal by Edmund, on Flickr

Note that the single braces don't have to be cut from a double on this particular,  later-run model.

 Diamond-brace by Edmund, on Flickr

 Diamond-brace2 by Edmund, on Flickr

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, February 15, 2020 7:54 AM

All these variations for one small part.  Coal mine? Diamond Mine?  Geez. 

I'm pretty sure the OP has his answer.  Ed's picture of the diamond mine shows exactly where the parts go.

I wonder if the "coal" mine has the 1/2 sections?  Good grief Walthers.  

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, February 15, 2020 9:44 AM

 I believe the Diamond Mine kit came later, and represents an improvement. The coal mine kit does not have the half pieces, you have to cut them yourself.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Saturday, February 15, 2020 9:53 AM

SeeYou190
I don't know why you would mention Ikea as the "does a better job" example. Ikea instructions are the best.

Because they do do a better job.  Maybe Walthers could learn a thing or two from them?  Clown

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Posted by hon30critter on Saturday, February 15, 2020 4:29 PM

riogrande5761
Because they do do a better job.  Maybe Walthers could learn a thing or two from them?

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 4:06 AM

Sometimes procrastination pays off.

This thread prompted me to take another look at my New River Mining structure which has been collecting dust on a hillside for years. I had been planning to do some lighting and upgrades.

So with the discussion here about these gussets I did some digging tonight in my kitbashing parts and found a bunch of angle bracing that was left over from some Micro Engineering girder bridges.

 Girder by Edmund, on Flickr

Thats them, top-left, in the darker gray plastic. To the right are some 8011 brackets from Tichy and below are the original Walthers ones previously discussed.

I believe these longer gussets look more appropriate as a stabilizer for the leg or support for the floor beam. Note that the upper end of the gusset lines up with the molded floor beam underneath.

 Girder2 by Edmund, on Flickr

There's still plenty of clearance. To me the kit supplied ones just look too small to be any kind of effective brace.

 Girder3 by Edmund, on Flickr

I was able to put two on the single support column which makes that look more believeable, too.

 Girder1 by Edmund, on Flickr

So, if anyone has plans to build this kit they might want to look into finding some of these diagonal braces from Micro-Engineering. Next I plan to add catwalks and stairways from Tichy parts and then move on to some minimal lighting.

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Posted by Onewolf on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 8:41 AM

Thanks for all the replies to my question. 

As some people have noted the instructions for New River Mining kit are rather sparse (no instructions other than some poor diagrams). 

At this point I may just punt on these support braces except for the one single leg column which does not have much support otherwise.

Thanks.

Doug

 

Edit to add: It's time to move on to the next structure kit build:  BTS Signal Maintainers Storage

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, February 18, 2020 11:31 AM

 Looks like if you cut the kit ones as needed for the ends, you have a half brace left over to add to the side of that single leg, even if they don't show that in the instructions. It definitely needs that though, it just looks wong with bracing for one direction but perpendicular to that it could just fold up. 

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