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Dioramas of the 17th Century

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Dioramas of the 17th Century
Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, July 18, 2019 8:18 PM

The purpose was military, to created a 3D model of a town or an area with extreme detail.  These models are in a Paris military museum.  The detail is remarkable and some are quite large.

Some of the videos are in French, which is beyond my paygrade.  There is one in English that may technically break some rules of the forum, because it is on a channel that deals with things that usually are prohibited in this forum.  Instead of being placed on probation, I will link to all the videos.  

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Posted by dknelson on Friday, July 19, 2019 10:15 AM

I made the mistake of first watching one of the vids that is entirely in French which I do not speak or understand, but was extremely interesting.  Then I watched the one in English (which would have benefited from a voice-over narration rather than the host's whispering in the museum) and it all became clear - and astounding.

Thanks for the link(s).  Not model railroading per se, but great model building on a scale, and with a goal and purpose, that we can hardly imagine or begin to grasp.  

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, July 19, 2019 11:29 AM

I wonder what they used to model the rivers?

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, July 19, 2019 5:05 PM

That is amazing.

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Thank you for posting.

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:04 AM

Can you imagine the time and manpower to collect all the intelligence needed to recreate those.

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:37 AM

BATMAN

Can you imagine the time and manpower to collect all the intelligence needed to recreate those.

 

 
Not to mention the, um, consequences if you got any of the details wrong!  It's one thing to be snickered at at a prototype modeler's meet .... but that was not a very good era to annoy the King of France.  (or any King).  Droits divins des Rois!
 
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Posted by Paul3 on Saturday, July 20, 2019 12:35 PM

There were no trains in the 1600's, sooo...kinda off topic, doncha think?

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, July 20, 2019 12:44 PM

Paul3

There were no trains in the 1600's, sooo...kinda off topic, doncha think?

 

Yes me Lord. My train of thought precisely. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:07 PM

Now lads, these models were used for military TRAINing!

Seriously, what absolutely astonishing pieces of craftsmanship!  And made using absolutely nothing of the aids todays modelers have available.

The men that made them are dust, but those models still exist to amaze and inspire!  Thanks for the links. 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:54 PM

Paul3
There were no trains in the 1600's, sooo...kinda off topic, doncha think? Add Quote to your Post

You are absolutely right Paul,

but at the time there was no ground foam, lichen, woodland scenics, static grass,  modge podge, envirotex, resin water, Grandt line or Tichy windows and doors, 3D printing, styrene, foam board, cardboard, hydorcal, sculptamold, Bragdon rock molds, ready rocks, silicon molds, laser kits, walthers kits, airbrushes, acrylic paints, photographs, Sanborn maps or google earth.

 But I get it, you are not impressed.  Sorry to have wasted your time. 

 

 

 

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Posted by Paul3 on Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:18 AM

BigDaddy,
Literally the first policy of this forum:
"Stay on topic -- model train talk only, please (though civil off-topic discussion is tolerated in the Diner thread)."

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Sunday, July 21, 2019 1:08 PM

BigDaddy, I  for one am extremely glad you posted those links, and I thank you for it.  I'm also glad I looked in yesterday just on a whim.  "Right place, right time."

Do us a favor, post those links on the "Classic Toy Trains" Forum, they'll be very  appreciated, I assure you!  No persnickity people over there.

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Posted by Paul3 on Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:49 PM

I'm always amused at the reactions of people when they are reminded to stay on topic after clearly going off topic.  It's like they think the rules don't apply to them.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, July 21, 2019 3:28 PM

Flintlock76

BigDaddy, I  for one am extremely glad you posted those links, and I thank you for it.  I'm also glad I looked in yesterday just on a whim.  "Right place, right time." 

Same here. I just caught the title on the "Recent Discussions" list and thought it very interesting.

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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, July 21, 2019 10:20 PM

Anything that helps improve our modeling, whether it's techniques or new materials, or just new sources of ideas or inspiration, is 'on topic' I would think? There's a lot of things to be learned from 'other' modellers, like military or car modellers.

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Posted by Nevin Wilson on Monday, July 22, 2019 8:29 AM

Thank you for posting this.  I thinking this is directly related to modeling.  I enjoyed looking at it.  Definitely took some modeling skill to say the least.  

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Posted by dknelson on Monday, July 22, 2019 11:50 AM

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BigDaddy,
Literally the first policy of this forum:
"Stay on topic -- model train talk only, please (though civil off-topic discussion is tolerated in the Diner thread)."  

Read literally "model train talk" would eliminate all talk of scenery, as well as backdrops, scale automobiles and figures, layout room amenities, and a variety of topics which ARE relevant to "model railroading." (which is what I suspect they meant, not just the "trains").  The history of diorama building and the history of accurate to scale model building (and these are the earliest examples of to-scale model building that I have seen) are reasonably relevant to the topic of these forums.  

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