steemtrayn18,000+ posts and you're just finding out plastic couplers suck? I find that hard to believe.
Kadee offers plastic couplers, too...they seem to work fine.
I've used Bachmann's EZMATE plastic couplers and McHenry's plastic couplers on rolling stock and locomotives bought on the "used" market, and while I'm slowly converting many of my locos and rolling stock to various versions of Kadee's "scale" couplers, I've never had any problems with the aforementioned brands equipped with metal knuckle springs. The McHenry's with the "finger-type" plastic knuckle springs, however, were nothing but trouble right from the start.
I've been using Kadees right from when I started in HO in the mid-'50s.
Wayne
richhotrain steemtrayn 18,000+ posts and you're just finding out plastic couplers suck? I find that hard to believe. Here's what I find hard to believe, Dave. I started this thread 3 weeks ago, and it took you this long to find it??? Oh, wait. You're from New Jersey!!! Rich
steemtrayn 18,000+ posts and you're just finding out plastic couplers suck? I find that hard to believe.
Here's what I find hard to believe, Dave. I started this thread 3 weeks ago, and it took you this long to find it???
Oh, wait. You're from New Jersey!!!
Rich
Did you know that in New Jersey you are not allowed to pump your own gas?
What is with that? What exactly does that say about the government? or the people?
Living here in northern/central Maryland all my life, I know New Jersey reasonably well, it's not far, and we travel to the south Jersey beaches with some regularity, Cape May in particular being old house people.
But they do some strange stuff up there........
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Dave
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maxman BRAKIEThe Walthers all metal Protomax II couper works as well as the KD after all its a exact duplicate of KD's #5 including the brass centering spring. It might be my imagination, but I seem to think that the Protomax is slightly larger. But maybe the water around here is bad.
BRAKIEThe Walthers all metal Protomax II couper works as well as the KD after all its a exact duplicate of KD's #5 including the brass centering spring.
It might be my imagination, but I seem to think that the Protomax is slightly larger. But maybe the water around here is bad.
If they are larger I can't see the difference when the Protomax II coupled to a KD #5 or 148.
Of course I don't own calipers either so,the Protomax II might be one or two thousandths of a inch bigger.(shruggs)
Larry
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richhotrainI just ordered enough Kadee #148 whisker couplers to replace the factory equipped couplers on all 16 tank cars.
Smart move. Our club runs long trains, and we mandate metal knuckle couplers,. Say what you want about competing products, but in our experience, you rarely go wrong using Kadees.
richhotrainRan those cars around the layout several times, starting and stopping, and not a single uncoupling. Life is good again!
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It ias always good news when everything works out.
Thank you for the update.
-Kevin
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I got the Kadee #148 couplers in the mail yesterday and I replaced all 32 McHenry's with the Kadees. Ran those cars around the layout several times, starting and stopping, and not a single uncoupling. Life is good again!
SeeYou190 Several of the freight car kits I have built came with plastic clone knuckle couplers. I built one car using them and set it on a track with an Athearn car with Kadee couplers, then pulled them apart. I was shocked at how easily the plastic coupler failed. Do this easy test, and you will probably quickly decide to throw them all in the dumpster.
Several of the freight car kits I have built came with plastic clone knuckle couplers. I built one car using them and set it on a track with an Athearn car with Kadee couplers, then pulled them apart. I was shocked at how easily the plastic coupler failed. Do this easy test, and you will probably quickly decide to throw them all in the dumpster.
Several of the freight car kits I have built came with plastic clone knuckle couplers. I built one car using them and set it on a track with an Athearn car with Kadee couplers, then pulled them apart.
I was shocked at how easily the plastic coupler failed.
Do this easy test, and you will probably quickly decide to throw them all in the dumpster.
[quote user="BRAKIE"]The Walthers all metal Protomax II couper works as well as the KD after all its a exact duplicate of KD's #5 including the brass centering spring.[/quote
Peter,The Walthers all metal Protomax II couper works as well as the KD after all its a exact duplicate of KD's #5 including the brass centering spring..
As far as the plastic junk clones they are promptly filed in file 13.
bearman Not I, I change out couplers to Kadees whenever I get something new and check the weight at the same time. For the life of me, I don't understand why some of the higher end rolling stock don't come with Kadees to begin with. I would pay a little extra as a result.
Not I, I change out couplers to Kadees whenever I get something new and check the weight at the same time. For the life of me, I don't understand why some of the higher end rolling stock don't come with Kadees to begin with. I would pay a little extra as a result.
I follow the same regimen. ANY and ALL new equipment, motive power or rolling stock get weighed and the couplers replaced with Kadees before going into service. At that time, I also consider whether or not to weather, and to what degree.
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Hello All,
It's Kadee for me!
Depending on the application, 90% of my rolling stock and motive power use the reliable #5 coupler.
Some use the #148- -the "whisker" version of the venerable #5.
Buying in bulk the value for money of the #5 can't be beat!!!
Any other specialized application- -Kadee has a coupler solution for that too.
Hope this helps.
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richhotrain tank cars.
Russell
Thanks, everyone for your replies.
As I said at the outset, these couplers failed right out of the box. So, I just ordered enough Kadee #148 whisker couplers to replace the factory equipped couplers on all 16 tank cars.
rrebell Funny, never had a problem with most of the nockoffs, occasionally one my break, maybe this is because I don't run long trains.
Funny, never had a problem with most of the nockoffs, occasionally one my break, maybe this is because I don't run long trains.
Train length has everything to do with it. 30 to 50 cars is typical for me, no generic couplers here.
They were called "McJunkies" and "Accubreaks" for a reason!
Rick Jesionowski
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richhotrain A few months back, I bought 16 Athearn Roundhouse tank cars. Absolutely beautiful, great tracking, couldn't be happier. Except for one thing. The couplers suck. I have been pulling the 16 tank cars behind pair of Life Like GP9s. Whenever, I stop the train for whatever reason and then start it up again, the tank cars uncouple, never the same car, never the same location. When I first eyeballed the couplers, they appeared to have a plastic hinge controlling the knuckle. But, last evening, I put on the Optivisor for a closer look. At a glance, it appears that the knuckle opens and closes by a small blackened spring. But it doesn't matter. The couplers seem to have no holding power. I can literally uncouple the cars right now by simply pulling them in opposite directions. So, I have decided to replace the couplers, all 16 of them (ugh) with Kadee couplers. Anyone else have this sort of problem? Rich
A few months back, I bought 16 Athearn Roundhouse tank cars. Absolutely beautiful, great tracking, couldn't be happier. Except for one thing. The couplers suck.
I have been pulling the 16 tank cars behind pair of Life Like GP9s. Whenever, I stop the train for whatever reason and then start it up again, the tank cars uncouple, never the same car, never the same location.
When I first eyeballed the couplers, they appeared to have a plastic hinge controlling the knuckle. But, last evening, I put on the Optivisor for a closer look. At a glance, it appears that the knuckle opens and closes by a small blackened spring. But it doesn't matter. The couplers seem to have no holding power.
I can literally uncouple the cars right now by simply pulling them in opposite directions. So, I have decided to replace the couplers, all 16 of them (ugh) with Kadee couplers.
Anyone else have this sort of problem?
Ug?
Well, maybe people havne't repeated the model RR mantra enough? Kadee, kadee, kadee.
Yes, I have a set of Athearn RTR Thrall gondolas and pulled them out of the box and ran them stock at a modular meet. The train, when stopped, would randomly uncouple. The couplers are McHenry with the plastic "finger" spring and from sitting in the box, the finger spring had become fatigued and would not reliably keep the nuckle closed.
Those older McHenrey couplers were eventually replaced with a newer verson that has a metal spring, but they are still plastic an much inferior to genuine Kadee's.
Oviously the need is to replace them with Kadee's is the answer. I have quite a few pieces of rolling stock that I will be upgrading with Kadee's once I begin to have some hobby time after getting the basement finnished and layout built to run them. I have several bulk packs on hand for that and will need to get more.
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I've used Kadees since I started in HO in the mid-'50s. The McHenrys with the plastic leaf-type knuckle spring were useless almost right from the beginning, but the later version, with a coil spring for the knuckle, worked well-enough, and I've not had one fail. I've been replacing a lot of the latter with Kadee's "scale" couplers, though, and they seem to perform fine for me.
I go all KD standard size, so both saperate springs and whisker (thats #5 and #148), when ever I built something or replace somethings couplers.
Things I replace as soon as possible:
Things I may not replace
I also think whatever comes with BLI stuff seems to work fine, though I think it's plastic... I personnally have never changed one. Rapido's couplers also look okay, but I lack evperience with them.
I'd say to anyone that there is a reason KDs are almost standard in the hobby, at least in HO. It's because they work the best! I see little reason to not use them, changing out coupler is very easy, usually you can just use the existing coupler box without modification.
That is what I use in HO, as a side note, in N I use Micro Trains, they are quite oversized, but close to everything I have bought so far uses them, so why both to change them!
Regards, Isaac
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I use 100% Kadee, and I do not, will not use the semi scale couplers.
Tests showed that however slight, the semi scale coupler actually has more slack action.
And it has a smaller gathering range for coupling.
Before any new equipment goes into service, it gets Kadee couplers and in many cases my "special" trucks - Kadee sprung/equalized metal trucks refitted with Intermountain wheel sets. And to that end I only use code 110 wheels as well.
In the case of these items, performance trumps looks, or perceived looks.
Because in my view, the semi scale coupler, while smaller, has an odd shape.
And code 88 wheel sets leave an unprototypical gap between the wheel and the side frame.
In both cases I feel we are just trading one incorrect feature for another.
This is what the PRR does with their EZ Mate and MakHenry couplers:
PRR_Scrap by Edmund, on Flickr
I do the same. My layout is 95% Kadee, 4% Protomax and 1% Rapido Macdonald-Cartier couplers. The imitation ones do make nice details around the car shop, though.
Good Luck, Ed
dstarr Is coupler height is correct? Check it with a gauge.
Is coupler height is correct? Check it with a gauge.
Assuming that's OK, replacement with real Kadee's is a the way to go. When I acquire new rolling stock with clone couplers, I run them until they break. Then I replace the clone couplers with the real thing from Kadee. Last time I looked, my local hobby shop (Charles Ro in Malden) wanted as much money for a pack of clone couplers as they did for a pack of Kadees. Since the best doesn't cost any more, I always buy the Kadees.
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