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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:28 AM

Deano,  thank you for your valiant effort in your search for this elusive card !  Greatly appreciated !

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Posted by OT Dean on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:18 AM

mbinsewi

Deano, PM is Personal Message, click on the name/avitar of who you want to send the message to, a page opens up with that persons profile.  On the right hand side you'll see 3 items:  Add as a Friend,  Start a conversation, and Follow.

Click on Start a conversation, and an email page opens up where you can type an email and attach documents.

Mike.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, Mike!  Once before, someone told me to "PM" him and I didn't know what he meant and he never replied--and no one else clued me in.  There may come a time when I'll get a chance to use this function.

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Posted by OT Dean on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:12 AM

Sorry, apparently my memory failed me.  I distinctly remember this card, as I said, because of the American Flyer connection, but it's been a couple of years since I did my annual Christmas "visit" with my collection of Train Cards and my memory obviously played a trick on me.  (I should be used to the idea, since things that happened when I was five or six are as clear as day, yet I forget to do things even when I leave a note where I can't miss it!)  I went through the NYC section and failed to find it, but I remembered that 3-4 years ago I got up to answer the phone, set the box on the couch too close to the edge, and had to spend the next hour or so getting the cards back in the box in some sort of order again.  So, I went through, card by card, in case I accidentally put it in with another RR, but it's not there (after two complete runs through them).

However, since the train is a New York Central J-series Hudson pulling lightweight cars, the train is probably stainless steel, as I don't think they went to the grey w/white stripes theme until they dieselized--and then maybe not all cars.  Maybe an NYC fan can tell us?  Sorry.

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:58 PM

Soooo, I’m not crazy after all.... ha,ha !

Thanks for sharing Ed !

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM

Sure enough, There it is!

 Fogg_Riley by Edmund, on Flickr

I can honestly say that I've never seen a color rendition of this artwork, either. Many of the Fogg watercolors, and some oils, are very familiar sights. This one has certainly been elusive.

Good Luck with your quest.

Regards, Ed

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:49 PM

Deano... not to mention what you would be doing for my mental health... Lol.... I have been trying to see a color image of this card for almost 4 deacades now !!    :o)

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:34 PM

Done !  Just bought that back issue from eBay.   Now, getting back to my original dilemma.... finding a color image of that card....

Deano.... isn’t your curiosity triggered enough to go to your storage locker and find that card and share a photo of it with the rest of the model train world ?     Just think of the humanitarian service you would be providing !!    

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:21 PM

Thanks so much for your help !!     I struck out at my local model train store -  they  didn’t have this back issue, although a trip to a model train store is never a waste of time, since I was able to buy several other back issues of MR that interested me.   I will try to find this Sept. 1980 issue on eBay.   Thanks again !

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:18 PM

Sure enough!   Haven't seen that picture in all of the searching I've done, and just looked again.

I wonder if it's too late order? Whistling

Nice work Carl

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Posted by xdford on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 3:10 PM

I forget which year it was but one of Model Railroaders photo competitions had someone make a 3D model based on (I think) the postcard you are talking about circa the late 1980's... it was a close representation which impressed the judges. I have moved and donated a lot of my old magazines to clubs.

May well be another possibility for you,

Cheers from Australia

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Posted by carl425 on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:56 PM

It's on page 31 of the September 1980 issue of MR.  5044 INDIANA WINTERSET - New York Central's James Whitcomb Riley.  And it is a barn in the background.

I have the right to remain silent.  By posting here I have given up that right and accept that anything I say can and will be used as evidence to critique me.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:46 AM

And of all the images I've looked at, I haven't found a steam engine pulling stainless streamline cars.  There was one, but the loco looked maybe British?

Hopefully he'll find it, because now I want to see it.

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:19 AM

Anything is possible when it comes to memories... lol.

I am going to visit my local model train store today.  They have many back issues of Model Railroader and I am going to browse through the advertiser’s index of any Sept. to  Dec. issues they have from the 1970’s to see if I can locate the Leanin Tree Christmas Card advertisement that I remember....  stay tuned.   

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Posted by selector on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:55 AM

Our memories can sometimes fill in, or alter, details in our recollection.  Is it possible the OP has a slightly altered memory from the real item?  For example, was it really a red barn and not a red caboose on the next track?  I found examples of the latter.

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:11 AM

Deano, thank you for your interest !   I have exhausted all Google searches for this Howard Fogg card, including eBay in hopes that someone might have one for sale.

If you are able to find this card, you could simply take a photo of it with your cell phone and text or email it to me directly.   I am just a train guy who is now kicking himself for not ordering that card from Leanin Tree when it was offerred !

Although there are many versions of the James Whitcomb Riley, the one in the late 1940’s / early to mid 1950’s captured my attention.  Whereas other name trains of the day were led by shiny new diesels, the Big Four division of the NYC, maintained a fast passenger schedule using the veteran, non- streamed Hudson, while the passengers enjoyed the comfort of the newer streamlined passenger cars.   For a few years it represented the best of both worlds.

I have an n-scale version of this train, with beautiful Rivarossi / Con Cor black J1 Hudsons pulling sleek Con Cor silver streamlined passenger cars.

I am also a huge American Flyer fan, and am starting to lay down the track for the around the room layout I am building.   As a fellow Flyer and Fogg fan (kinda rolls off the tongue...lol ), you may like a project I am preparing.  I have a duplicate vintage Flyer 4-6-2 Pacific, that was already repainted when I bought it, and I am going to build a diorama of Fogg’s Christmas card, “The Yankee Clipper” of the New Haven RR, passenger train.   I have the locomotive, the green Flyer Passenger cars and the New Haven decals for the tender.   I would like to have a 3D version of this, another one of my other favourite Fogg cards, and photograph the  diorama afterwards and share it with other Model Railroader readers.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:44 AM

White Smoke Steam
it is a Howard Fogg painting of a NYC J3 Hudson steam locomotive pulling the silver stainless steel streamlined light weight passenger cars of the name train, ‘James Whitcomb Riley’ in rural Indiana in the winter time.

I tried a search again this morning, and nothing. 

When you do find this, please post a picture or a link.

Good luck!

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:42 AM

Deano, PM is Personal Message, click on the name/avitar of who you want to send the message to, a page opens up with that persons profile.  On the right hand side you'll see 3 items:  Add as a Friend,  Start a conversation, and Follow.

Click on Start a conversation, and an email page opens up where you can type an email and attach documents.

Mike.

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Posted by OT Dean on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:42 AM

White Smoke Steam

Does anyone have a color image to share of HOWARD FOGG  print (Christmas Card from LEANIN TREE ),  of the NYC’s JAMES WHITCOMB RILEY  titled  “INDIANA WINTETSET “.  I want this for personal use only, not for commercial reproduction.   It was part of a Train Christmas Card set sold by Leanin Tree.  I have only ever seen a tiny B&W image of it in an advertisement in Model Railroader in the 1980s and would like to see what the color image looked like.    Thank you for any help you can give me on this !

 

 

I think I have this card in my collection, which is packed away in one of my storage closets, but have you tried searching for "images of howard fogg christmas steam trains"?  Maybe, with the B&W photo in hand, you can find it that way.  I have no way of putting a photo on this site, since my internet life is already too complicated!  (Maybe if I knew what "PM" is and how to do it, I could find the card and scan it into a document to pass on to you that way.)  BTW, I was surprised and quite interested when this card showed up in the catalog that year, as I entered the hobby via American Flyer, who had a train set called the "James Whitcomb Riley!"

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Monday, January 21, 2019 4:44 PM

Thanks for your interest Ed.   The label of ‘Indiana Winterset’ for the Christmas card may have been attached by Leanin Tree, not by Howard Fogg himself ?

 The card / print image that I am searching for is that of a classic, black New York Central NON-Streamlined 4-6-4 Hudson steam locomotive, pulling a set of silver streamlined passenger cars, on a late winter afternoon, past a barn in rural Indiana.   The focus of the print is on the black locomotive, and only one or two of the silver passenger cars may be visible.  I have seen video of this black Hudson- led lightweight train (James Whitcomb Riley) on some of the New York Steam locomotive DVD’s and really want to see Fogg’s artistic rendition in color. 

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Posted by gmpullman on Monday, January 21, 2019 2:58 PM

I have dozens of books and calendars featuring Fogg paintings. I can't say that I recall "Indiana Winterset".

https://www.american-rails.com/riley.html

Can you give more recollections to go on, Steam or Diesel? The Streamlined Hudson? Alco PAs? 

Howard Fogg was one prolific artist and he teamed up early with Ed Trumble of Leanin' Tree and did some seventy paintings exclusively for him.

More details may help track down the painting you're looking for.

Good Luck, Ed

 

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Posted by White Smoke Steam on Monday, January 21, 2019 12:18 PM

Thanks Mike, I have looked at those images with no success.  Apparently, the one I am looking for is very elusive —  it is a Howard Fogg painting of a NYC J3 Hudson steam locomotive pulling the silver stainless steel streamlined light weight passenger cars of the name train, ‘James Whitcomb Riley’ in rural Indiana in the winter time.

It was a Christmas Card offered by Leanin Tree in the 1980s, and I don’t know if it is in any of his books of his paintings ? 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, January 21, 2019 10:44 AM

I just Googled Howard Fogg Christmas cards, and there are lots of images.  Maybe check it out, and see if you can find what your looking for.

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Howard Fogg
Posted by White Smoke Steam on Monday, January 21, 2019 8:59 AM

Does anyone have a color image to share of HOWARD FOGG  print (Christmas Card from LEANIN TREE ),  of the NYC’s JAMES WHITCOMB RILEY  titled  “INDIANA WINTETSET “.  I want this for personal use only, not for commercial reproduction.   It was part of a Train Christmas Card set sold by Leanin Tree.  I have only ever seen a tiny B&W image of it in an advertisement in Model Railroader in the 1980s and would like to see what the color image looked like.    Thank you for any help you can give me on this !

 

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