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Posted by BroadwayLion on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:11 AM

 LION's on the top! LION's on the TOP...

 

Rare Wildebeests for EVERSYONE!

ROAR

The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

Here there be cats.                                LIONS with CAMERAS

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Posted by GMTRacing on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:00 AM

Good Morning All,

   A blistering 3F this morning - much warmer than yesterday. At least the wind is holding off. Speaking of holding off, nothing to report on the layout as I'm waiting for "stuff" to show up from Tonys and Trainworld. Needed more turnouts for the second part of the yard now that I have the turntable, roundhouse and back shop planted. I will set up the turnouts the same as before with piano wire in shrink tube and levers to actuate. I will code the second yard levers a different color to keep from confusing myself too much. 

   Ken, I agree. If there wasn't a humidity problem before this year and the only difference is the propane heater, I would look to see if you're getting air transfer into the house from the garage. 

     Well time to get back into the shop - the Smedleys are attacking.... Later, J.R.

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:08 AM

gmpullman
You have been using the propane heater in the garage? Burning propane gives off lots of moisture.

Ken:

That is something worth looking at for sure. Try leaving the propane heater off for a few days to see if the problem goes away. You can crack a window open a wee bit for a couple of days to allow the excess moisture to escape the house.

Have you added or replaced any weatherstripping recently? When I sold replacement windows we would occassionally run into problems where the new windows sealed the house up too tight. Moisture that used to be able to leak out through the old weatherstripping was now trapped inside, and the new windows would fog up. That would get some customers really upset with their new windows but that is a whole different story.

Another possibility is that the clothes dryer vent is either plugged with lint or it has fallen off of the dryer. Both situations will pump a ton of moisture into the house.

Dave

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:24 AM

"We're havin' a Heat Wave......  Tropical Heat Wave!"

Mornin' from sunny Geneva, NY.  Current temp outside is 8°F on it's way up to possibly 23°F by late afternoon they say.

 Ken????  Ken!  Hey Ken!!! ,   Hmmmm........  Supposed he has succumbed to to the toxic stuff that heater is producing?  You should never use an open (non-vented) propane anything inside the house for any period of time.  Likely his moisture problem is related.  My old Boy Scout training is making me think bad thoughts.

I have two natural gas heaters in the house.  One in the living room that is vented through the wall to the outside, and one in the train room down cellar that vents through the house chimney (with the hot water heater).  I would never, ever use a twenty lb. bottle of propane inside my house.... EVER!  I'm not ready to meet my maker yet!!!! Laugh

I have to clean a path from my back porch to the road to be able to pur out the trash and recycling this evening or early tomorrow.  I have finally warmed up from doing the driveway yesterday....  LOL

Have a safe and warm day if you are in the upper half of the States!

73

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We'll get there sooner or later! 

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Posted by hon30critter on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:32 AM

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Dave, you need a FORD FLEX.

I might just consider that option since the base Flex is considerably less expensive than a new Odyssey. However, once you start to add in some options, the price evens out pretty quickly.  I'm not sure if I need 365 hp either.

It would be a bit of a leap for me since I swore that I would never own a Ford, but times do change. I used to be a hardcore Chevy fan until my last Caprice cost me a fortune in stupid repairs over the last two years that I owned it. General Motors pulling out of Oshawa isn't sitting too well with me either.

For now, the 2014 Odyssey will do just fine. It is getting a lot less use now that Dianne doesn't have to commute for 1 1/2 hrs every day.

Dave

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:31 AM

hon30critter

 

 
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Dave, you need a FORD FLEX.

 

I might just consider that option since the base Flex is considerably less expensive than a new Odyssey. However, once you start to add in some options, the price evens out pretty quickly.  I'm not sure if I need 365 hp either.

It would be a bit of a leap for me since I swore that I would never own a Ford, but times do change. I used to be a hardcore Chevy fan until my last Caprice cost me a fortune in stupid repairs over the last two years that I owned it. General Motors pulling out of Oshawa isn't sitting too well with me either.

For now, the 2014 Odyssey will do just fine. It is getting a lot less use now that Dianne doesn't have to commute for 1 1/2 hrs every day.

Dave

 

I was once a Chevy guy too, and a Checker guy, but for the last 23 years we have been driving FORDS with very good results, and they just keep getting better.

I could tell a lot of stories, cars for teens, safety in crashes, but I will spare everyone all that.

I will just say this, FORD now has repair histories, and reliabilty rates equal to Honda or Toyota. And, the FLEX is actually at the top of the FORD list in those regards.

Remember, the platform under the FLEX, TAURUS, EXPLORER, and EDGE was developed with VOLVO while FORD had controling ownership there. I think FORD learned a lot from that relationship.....

Including cars for kids, we have had CROWN VIC'S, EXPLORER'S, the volvo based TAURUS, two FLEX's only because of a cash, FOCUS, ESCAPE, and two pickups. All have been great.

I hate little cars, but the FOCUS my daughter drove for 167,000 miles was twice as good as the Sentra it replaced.......for only 2/3 the price.

Your mileage may vary,

Sheldon

PS, and the FLEX is built at Oakville.......

    

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Posted by CNCharlie on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 11:49 AM

Good Morning,

It's a blistering 11F right now in Winterpeg and it isn't even sunny. That is 2 degrees above normal!!! 

J.R. You mentioned a Lotus 7 the other day. A friend of mine when I lived in Ontario (early '70s) had a Super 7. It had left hand drive which I think was rare. The engine was a 1600 cc Cortina with 2 side draft Webers. I seem to recall the tranny or rear end (not sure) was out of a Vanguard. Riding in it was often a very scary adventure especially when you looked sideways and your head was at the top of other cars' tires. It was very quick up to about 70 but ran out of steam soon after. Must have been the gearing. It could snap your neck on gear changes. 

As a teen and young adult I was always very interested in cars and thought I would get a performance car once I finished uni and was working. As a sales rep for Sunoco I spent my days in service stations and sure came across several good cars but I had to buy my own for work according to rules set by the company. Mustangs weren't on the approved list. Anyway no sooner had I worked enough to get a nice second car but I was bitten by the sailing bug that stayed with me for 30 years so goodbye perforance car. I got my thrills at 8 knots. Mind you if you were going 8 knots that meant a 20 knot wind, 2-3 foot waves, heeling 20 degrees, all in a 3 ton boat. Nothing like the feeling of being sucked along just by the wind. I owned several boats starting in '74 and bought the last one in '84. It was a 27' Aloha that had a small Volvo diesel. The mast was 40' over the water and it carried 450 s.f. of sail with a genoa jib. It wasn't my favourite boat of the ones I owned. That was a 22' Abbott that I bought new in '80. They were beautifully made in Sarnia and had about the best fiberglass work I have ever seen on a boat. It was also a very fast boat that handled like a dream. I loved the constant play of wind and sail to get the most speed out of the boat on a particular point of sail. 

Soon it will be time to head out to the gym. I'm not up to Ray's 4 miles and seem to be stuck on 2. 

Nothing new on the RR front. I'm looking for an IC hopper as I would like one as sort of a memorial to Jerry Cox. Besides they were a common sight on CN. 

CN Charlie

 

 

 

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Posted by GMTRacing on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:24 PM

Charlie, I actually have two Lotus 7s, one series 1 with Coventry Climax 1100cc motor and 75hp and a series 3 with overbored 1600 crossflow and around 170 horses. It goes fast.  

   Having said that I think sailing is a lot more challenging than driving race cars. Way too much for my poor mind to consider.      J.R.

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Posted by BATMAN on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 1:34 PM

Good morning from the West Coast where it is damp and a balmy 6c. 

Charlie, where did/do you sail? My Dad sailed on the Red River and belonged to the club they had. I still have all his photo's from those days. Lots of racing if I recall the stories right. I sailed on a Fraser 36' and a C&C 27 out here on the chuck. Had a great sail through the Whitsunday Islands in Australia on a 50' boat. Scuba diving along the way. I really want to do another trip like that, though I think my scuba days are behind me, I think snorkeling will be it.

My wife rented a Flex in Ottawa and loved it. She said it would make the perfect Veterinarians vehicle. Though I am not sure about cleaning the fluids out after a house call. At least I can just hose the truck out.

My friend that rebuilt all the Bronco's and Vega Drag cars bought a Datsun 510 back in the early 80s and lowered it and turned it into a really hot little racecar. It was street legal and he sold it to me to thin out his herd of metal. I had it for years and eventually sold it back to him. He did another rebuild on it and then sold it back to the guy he had originally bought it from. That guy wrapped it around a pole two days later. I loved driving that car which lead me to buy my 1990 RX7 Turbo II.

  

My best friend in High school showed up with an Austin Healy a couple of days after we graduated. It had a straight six in it and I could not start off without burning rubber in that thing. He immediately then got a job up north at a diamond mine and left in a hurry. I think I would have bought it off him but he disappeared so fast I didn't get a chance. He worked up North for six years and came home, paid cash for a nice house a P/U and Porsche 911T and ski boat. 

Not sure about the electric P/U. They are proving great for city workers that only need a limited range, however, I think they need to get better before I would take one into the backcountry. They appear to have good ground clearance though. I wonder how the electrics would hold up to some of the rivers I have gone through in the Ford.

Big Daddy, I really enjoyed the railcam video. I could not believe all the people that turned onto the tracks, how do these people get their license!!!!! 

Feeling a little RUFF! today, wife says I am working out too hard, she may be right. I had a virus for nearly a month and had fallen off the exercise wagon as I could not do much without coughing up a lung. Got back to it on Sunday and was amazed I did as well as I did on the bike. Tried to do even better yesterday and I am paying the price today. I will be 63 on the 29th and just before Christmas put a friend's 19-year-old kid in his place when he told me he was in shape. Laugh It was an easy victory.

Spent the whole day in the trainroom on Sunday and may get back there today. Need to find some washers that will fit over the bolsters on three of my Rapido coaches, They were the first three that came out and are significantly lower than all the rest. The fiber ones won't fit so I will probably make some. I may try drilling one out first.

All the best to all.

 

 

Brent

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 2:21 PM

BATMAN
Not sure about the electric P/U. They are proving great for city workers that only need a limited range, however, I think they need to get better before I would take one into the backcountry.

Rivian claims they have a range of 400+miles with the 180kWh battery, which is quite something.

According to this video, the Rivian exceeds the F 150 in a number of offroad disciplines.

Let´s see when the truck is actually in the market and can be tested on and offroad, and not only make a paper comparison.

Has anyone seen Johnboy lately?

Happy times!

Ulrich (aka The Tin Man)

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:56 PM

howmus

"We're havin' a Heat Wave......  Tropical Heat Wave!"

Mornin' from sunny Geneva, NY.  Current temp outside is 8°F on it's way up to possibly 23°F by late afternoon they say.

 Ken????  Ken!  Hey Ken!!! ,   Hmmmm........  Supposed he has succumbed to to the toxic stuff that heater is producing?  You should never use an open (non-vented) propane anything inside the house for any period of time.  Likely his moisture problem is related.  My old Boy Scout training is making me think bad thoughts.

I have two natural gas heaters in the house.  One in the living room that is vented through the wall to the outside, and one in the train room down cellar that vents through the house chimney (with the hot water heater).  I would never, ever use a twenty lb. bottle of propane inside my house.... EVER!  I'm not ready to meet my maker yet!!!! Laugh

I have to clean a path from my back porch to the road to be able to pur out the trash and recycling this evening or early tomorrow.  I have finally warmed up from doing the driveway yesterday....  LOL

Have a safe and warm day if you are in the upper half of the States!

73

 

OK, I just have to be the voice of reason here.

There are lots of vent free propane and natural gas space heaters that are perfectly safe to use indoors. In the house we just moved out of we have two.

They look like wood stoves but are propane, they each produce about 28,000 btu/hr of heat.

They do add some moisture to the air, which is usually a good thing in the winter.

Properly sized, and properly used they are perfectly safe. The products of combustion they produce are no greater than cooking a large meal on your gas range, and my wife will not cook on electric.

They all have an oxygen depletion safety that shuts them off if the room oxygen goes below about 20%, long before you would feel any negitve CO effects.

The rate of CO production from these open flames is less the infiltration rate in most homes. So used in the proper size room, and based on the fact that it will shut off long before ox/co ratios are dangerous, they are perfectly safe.

The ones we have are like this:

http://www.ventfreefireplacestore.com/buy/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1354&idcategory=8

They are not the primary heat in the home. The home is a 4,000 sq ft Queen Anne built in 1901, it has oil fired hot water baseboard heat.

You can also purchase vent free gas log sets for fireplace conversions.......pretty common actually.

One big advantage to these heaters is that they work without electricity, great heat in a power outage. Ours kept all 4,000 sq ft above 65 degrees on several 20 degree nights with no power. And we lived to tell the tail.

Now to Ken's problem.

Yes, it sure sounds like a new source/cause of condensation. And running a tank top propane heater in the garage may do that depending on the construction of his home. 

But so could a number of other things as others have suggested. I am an ex real estate home inspector, residential designer and construction professional, but I am reluctant to try to diagnose his problem from afar.

However, even tank top propane heaters are pretty safe in areas like garages. I have been doing that as well for 25-35 years - I'm still here and have never burnt down any buildings.

We have even been known to heat some "under construction" buildings that way.........

Been pretty cold here the last few days, heat wave day at about 30 degrees.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:03 PM

Good afternoon ...

Sheldon .... Apparently you have ample knowlege regarding propane heat and other items too. Thanks for sharing you insights..... We have a propane vent free fire place. It works fine, but it should not be used 24/7. 

I had more to add, but I just got called to dinner..

 

Later.... 

GARRY

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Posted by howmus on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 6:49 PM

Hi Sheldon,

I wasn't worried about a heater made for indoor use connected to an outside tank.  My concern is that I thought Ken was bringing a 20lb. bottle inside the garage to use with an outdoor style heater.  I believe that is illegal here in NYS and I know Boy Scout policy says anything larger than a 1lb bottle can't be used inside a building.  A quick search finds this:

"NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) regulations make it unlawful to take any tank larger than a 1-lb tank inside a residence. The regulations were written to protect you from potential problems such as a leaking propane tank, fire, and possible explosions. If there was a fire in your house and your propane tank was inside your residence, the fire department may NOT enter your house to fight the fire."

Ken may be using an approved hook up. I don't know, but I would worry that what he is using is not at all safe.  I know the Gas company sends out warnings to people all the time not to use a gas range and oven for heat!  Does Ken have an oxygen sensor to be sure the unit doesn't deplete the oxygen in the garage?  I guess I didn't state my case well.

73

Ray Seneca Lake, Ontario, and Western R.R. (S.L.O.&W.) in HO

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Posted by Daves_Trains on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:34 PM

Good evening from Texas. New to the Diner so this round is on me Beer.

Before we leave this great state I thought I would post a few pictures.

Built in 1911 the historic ATSF station at Temple Tx houses the Temple Railroad & Heritage Museum.

 

BNSF locomotive shops are located across from the station.

 

Amtrak train #22 The Texas Eagle arrives from San Antonio heading north to Dallas and then onto Chicago.

 

AMTK 24 model GE P42DC heads up the Texas Eagle.

 

Built by Budd in 1950, the Birch Grove was in service on Southern Pacific's Sunset Limited. The Baltimore & Ohio dome car the Moonlight Dome are traveling with Amtrak's Texas Eagle.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:50 PM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Good afternoon ...

Sheldon .... Apparently you have ample knowlege regarding propane heat and other items too. Thanks for sharing you insights..... We have a propane vent free fire place. It works fine, but it should not be used 24/7. 

I had more to add, but I just got called to dinner..

 

Later.... 

 

Agreed, they are not intended to be a primary heat source, be used 24/7 or be left unattended.

Many of the newer ones are themostaticly regulated, which increases their safety by switching them on and off based on output.

But properly used and monitored they are great additional room comfort heaters, and acceptable emergency heaters.

Except in California land, where apparently no one is smart enough to take care of themselves, so the government decides everything for you.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:09 PM

howmus

Hi Sheldon,

I wasn't worried about a heater made for indoor use connected to an outside tank.  My concern is that I thought Ken was bringing a 20lb. bottle inside the garage to use with an outdoor style heater.  I believe that is illegal here in NYS and I know Boy Scout policy says anything larger than a 1lb bottle can't be used inside a building.  A quick search finds this:

"NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) regulations make it unlawful to take any tank larger than a 1-lb tank inside a residence. The regulations were written to protect you from potential problems such as a leaking propane tank, fire, and possible explosions. If there was a fire in your house and your propane tank was inside your residence, the fire department may NOT enter your house to fight the fire."

Ken may be using an approved hook up. I don't know, but I would worry that what he is using is not at all safe.  I know the Gas company sends out warnings to people all the time not to use a gas range and oven for heat!  Does Ken have an oxygen sensor to be sure the unit doesn't deplete the oxygen in the garage?  I guess I didn't state my case well.

73

 

OK, fine. Your discussion about your VENTED gas heaters did muddy the waters as to what you were saying........sure seemed like you were speaking against any unvented gas appliance.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

Not sure if the NFPA defines an attached garage as "inside the residence"?

The building code surely puts strict requirements on the "connection" between the house and garage as to door and wall fire ratings, doors sprung to close, etc. Which in my mind define it as not part of the "residence".

Does all or any of this require common sense? Yes. Oh I forgot, the socialists outlawed common sense years ago....

I agree, using a tank top heater on a 20 lb cylinder inside your home is a bad idea, no question.

In your garage with drafty garage doors and sitting on a concrete floor? While fully attended by your presence? Meets my test for acceptable risk, considering all of those heaters have anti tip shutoffs that close the gas valve.

That said even though I have one at my new home, I'm not a big fan of attached garages in the first place.

I will be building a detached garage at my new home for all the "garage" type stuff except the wife's car.

And I am the son of a fire fighter, and the father of a fire fighter......guess that gene skipped a generation.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:18 PM

Daves Trains .... Welcome ... to the Diner !..... and thanks for sharing the photos.  We decided to be in TX this month, and we need to see more photos of trains in TX. The former B&O dome car is like one I rode in many years ago on the Capitol Limited. 

Sheldon .... Our gas fireplace did have a lot of use during a 9-day period in the 2009 KY Ice Storm. It was our only source of heat while we were without power, land-line phone, cell phone, and county water. Our road was comeptely blocked with fallen trees and covered with ice.. We did not leave the fireplace  on overnight, and we used a lot of blankets for the nine days.. ... We have not used it much since then. Now we have a generator. 

 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:35 PM

Heartland Division CB&Q

Daves Trains .... Welcome ... to the Diner !..... and thanks for sharing the photos.  We decided to be in TX this month, and we need to see more photos of trains in TX. The former B&O dome car is like one I rode in many years ago on the Capitol Limited. 

Sheldon .... Our gas fireplace did have a lot of use during a 9-day period in the 2009 KY Ice Storm. It was our only source of heat while we were without power, land-line phone, cell phone, and county water. Our road was comeptely blocked with fallen trees and covered with ice.. We did not leave the fireplace  on overnight, and we used a lot of blankets for the nine days.. ... We have not used it much since then. Now we have a generator. 

 

 

We too now have a natural gas generator at the "new to us" house, big enough to run most everything, 16KW......especially considering our heat here is gas fired hot water baseboard, we cook on gas, and heat water with gas.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:18 AM

Good Morning!

Still icy cold, but no so bright anymore! The weather guessers are predicting some of the white, wet and fluffy stuff to come down soon.

I received a "heart warming" call from my landlord yesterday. His is about to raise the rent for our apartment to a level we cannot afford to pay. That means we have to move out within the next few weeks. I was hoping to be able to stay until we got everything cleared and settled with moving "over there", but that won´t work no more!

I see a new face here - a hearty Welcome from the other side of the Big Pond, DaveTrains!

 

Happy times!

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:35 AM

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We too now have a natural gas generator at the "new to us" house, big enough to run most everything, 16KW......especially considering our heat here is gas fired hot water baseboard, we cook on gas, and heat water with gas.

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After Hurricane Charlie I bought a 20 Kw Light Commercial diesel generator set and an automatic transfer switch.

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Biggest waste of money ever.

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We evacuate for the hurricanes now, so we don't need survival gear. The power almost never shuts off from the service.

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I have spent thousands of dollars maintaing this generator for 12 years. It is too big and too heavy for my application, but it will start my 3 ton AC unit. It is also quite loud.

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About 6 years ago it woke me up at 6:00 AM on a Saturday. Power was out, but it started up and transferred automatically.

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I made a pot of coffee. My wife states that was the most expensive pot of coffee in history.

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You can see the transfer switch in this picture. I bought one rated at 125 Kw on surplus. Way overkill, but hey, what if I decided to add a second or third story!

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-Kevin

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:03 AM

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We too now have a natural gas generator at the "new to us" house, big enough to run most everything, 16KW......especially considering our heat here is gas fired hot water baseboard, we cook on gas, and heat water with gas.

 

House of LION has 100kW generator. But now that the weather is COLD and the possibility of a power failure is high, the maint dept has haken it apart to work on an oil leak. At the moment "They are waiting for parts"

 

Did they tell us that the gunerator was not available...

 

Er... no, I discoverd that when I was over in the power house for something else.

 

ROAR

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:05 AM

Tinplate Toddler
I received a "heart warming" call from my landlord yesterday. His is about to raise the rent for our apartment to a level we cannot afford to pay. That means we have to move out within the next few weeks. I was hoping to be able to stay until we got everything cleared and settled with moving "over there", but that won´t work no more!

 

The Lord cannot give you something new untill he can pry you away from something old.

 

ROAR

The Route of the Broadway Lion The Largest Subway Layout in North Dakota.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:51 AM

BroadwayLion
At the moment "They are waiting for parts"

Now THATS bad timing.

Daughter and SIL have a small (1000 sq.ft. 1st floor) bi-level (raised) ranch, they put in 8K, nat. gas fired, gen.  Fits their needs perfect with power to spare.

I'm putting a little bit smaller one at our place in the north woods of WI., where power outages are part of north woods life.

Mike.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:05 AM

Sheldon Thanks for the heads up on ventless gas stoves.  We will be building in the Shenandoah Valley and I had been looking at Jotel stoves.

Ulrich, moving is never fun, especially for your reasons.  Hopefully Brother Lion is right.

I have been trying to form railings and grab irons for a AMB caboose.  There is a reason I am not a third generation eye surgeon.  I'm not sure I'm up to the task.

Henry

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Shenandoah Valley

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Posted by GMTRacing on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:27 AM

Good Morning All,

   Lion must have ex Navy maintainence people. Heat working just in time for summer, barracks roof work started at the beginning of rainy season..........

   Loaded up three customer cars this morning to send back to Long Island. Not too bad - it was up to 19F. We either drain the coolant or add antifreeze even with the enclosed trailers and short trips. Temps should be gradually warming a bit.

   We have generators for the trailers and a couple of 5000w portables but nothing at home. It wasn't an issue previously with single pipe steam heat as it all ran off city gas and thermocouples including the thermostats. Now we have electronic ignition and solid state controls so I am considering some sort of auxilliary generator to at least run the basics. We are on the same part of the local grid as the hospital and downtown so the longest we've been down is a day. Just another "round to it" job for now.

   Nothing on the layout front - still waiting on bits and pieces to arrive so i can get back after it. This is the best time of year with cold weather, the end of football and no racing for another month.

   Steven, yes Giants fans don't get all twisted up (except maybe around Dallas fans) as we had to wait decades to even get to a Super Bowl. A patient lot we are.

   Back to it in the shop. Installing the new aluminum stock rack I made today and finishing up a Lotus 11 roll over hoop.     Catch y'all later, J.R.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:46 AM

SeeYou190

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
We too now have a natural gas generator at the "new to us" house, big enough to run most everything, 16KW......especially considering our heat here is gas fired hot water baseboard, we cook on gas, and heat water with gas.

 

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After Hurricane Charlie I bought a 20 Kw Light Commercial diesel generator set and an automatic transfer switch.

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Biggest waste of money ever.

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We evacuate for the hurricanes now, so we don't need survival gear. The power almost never shuts off from the service.

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I have spent thousands of dollars maintaing this generator for 12 years. It is too big and too heavy for my application, but it will start my 3 ton AC unit. It is also quite loud.

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About 6 years ago it woke me up at 6:00 AM on a Saturday. Power was out, but it started up and transferred automatically.

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I made a pot of coffee. My wife states that was the most expensive pot of coffee in history.

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You can see the transfer switch in this picture. I bought one rated at 125 Kw on surplus. Way overkill, but hey, what if I decided to add a second or third story!

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-Kevin

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Yes Kevin that is way overkill. But our problem in this climate is winter weather. It does not happen every winter, but about one out of four we get slamed at least once with 2 feet or more in less than 24 hrs. Nothing moves for a day, or two, or three.

And living on the freeze/thaw line most of the time, ice and snow are hard on overhead power lines. So winter storms often mean power outages.

But being an Electrician and electrical designer, I know that service size and actual load demand are two widely different things.

At the old house, I ran a very extensive "compound" on only a 200 amp service. 4,000 sq foot house, 2,000 sq ft garage, pool, hot tub, 3 refrigerators, two washers and dryers, 10 tons of A/C, woodshop tools etc.

My 16 kw will run everything we need in winter.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by BroadwayLion on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:58 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
But being an Electrician and electrical designer, I know that service size and actual load demand are two widely different things.

yup... The fuses out on the power pole are 100 Amp, but of course that is at 4000+ volts.

Our average consumption is about 23 kw, on Sunday it can be over 40 kw, our generator is good for 100 kw.

You must have a huge plant to require 16kw.

 

ROAR

 

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Posted by CNCharlie on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:53 AM

Good Morning,

J.R. that 7 is a real beauty! Are those wire wheels on it? I can't imagine 170 h.p. in one of those cars. My friend's had different front fenders, at least I seem to recall that they weren't cycle fenders but flowed back at bit. They were, shall we say, flimsy. 

Brent, I sailed out of Gimli on Lake Winnipeg. There was/is a very active sailing club there using the old Pan Am Games facilities. For those of you not familiar with that lake, it is a large one, as in 250 miles long and varying between 20 and 60 miles wide. It is quite shallow so storms and wave action can blow up quickly. As it is often rough with a very short distance between wave crests, it isn't a good lake for power boats. Also there are few harbours. I can recall standing at the wheel and the wave crests were well over my head when in a trough.  I

Speaking of sailboats, I was at the gym yesterday and ran into a guy I have known for 30 years who still has a boat in Gimli, a C&C27.  He told me that the people who bought my boat seized the motor a couple of years ago. How they could do that I can't figure other than they didn't maintain it or the oil pump failed. I suspect the water pump and it overheated. The water pump was a rubber impeller one that was easy to service and maintain. Oh well, I doubt that engine will be replaced or fixed as it would be a very expensive proposition either way. The engine only had 7.5 hp at 1600 rpm. The torque was amazing as the slowest the boat would go under power was 2 m.p.h. with the engine barely turning over. We called the engine Helga, she weighed 250 lbs. 

Very few people here have generators as power outages are rare. All the power lines in our neighbourhood are underground and our house is 60 years old. Also we don't get much in the way of freezing rain, mostly powder snow but lots of wind. 

CN Charlie

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Posted by GMTRacing on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 12:20 PM

Charlie,

   That was the Series 1 with the 77 hp. The Series 3 is red and polished with aluminum wheels but the picture wouldn't load so no show and tell yet. The swept back front fenders are called clamshells and yes they are flimsy. They were standard in North America from the end of the Series 1 on to meet our DOT regs. 

J.R.

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Posted by JPowell on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 1:42 PM

Good afternoon diners!

Hope this finds everyone well. Prayer's to those in need. It's been a while (again) since my last post, so I thought I'd stop in for a spell. Besides, I had to log on to send a PM to Mr. Otte with a question.

Speaking of trains and related modeling, etc, I never did tell you guys much about the layout table I purchased over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend. The guy I bought it from had built this table for his layout about 15 years ago, when he and his wife moved into their then newly built house. Long story short, they're downsizing to a smaller house and his kids have no interest in it. He did keep all of the trains, etc hoping that he can build something smaller in the new house for his grandkids to enjoy. The table top consists of 3 sections. 2 4ft x 8ft tables and 1 2ft x 8ft table.

While I don't have the space for all 3 together, I can fit one 4x8 table and the 2x8 table in the spare bedroom. I currently have those set up while I decide on the plan. Part of the decision process is going back through all of the issues of MR, MRP, and GMR that I have to get ideas. So the last few days, while reading through some of the earleir issues I have of them, I came across a few articles on layout height. That stopped me from going any further and now I have cleaned off the 2 tables to start measuring the height I want mine at. The articles pretty much all say the same thing. For someone my height, the layout should be about 44-46 inches high. And if you want a multiilevel layout, then one needs about a foot, give or take, between the top of the lower level rails and the top of the upper level rails. Also, while reading these articles, I decided I want a multi-level around the walls layout. So, those 2 4x8 tables will get cut in half length wise. Since the spare bedroom is roughly 9x11, I should have plenty of tabletop to use as I don't want anything wider than 2ft. I will, however, have to buy lumber to build new legs. Currently, the tables are about 32 inches from floor to top of the plywood base the previous owner used. I may even remove the plywood all together and just use foamboard for the tabletops.

Anyways, so here are a few questions to all of you.

1 - What is the height of your layout?

2 - How deep is your layout? 

3 - Can you comfortbly reach in to the furthest point?

I know not everyone has a multiple level layout and some don't even have an around-the-wall layout.

Anyways, that's all for now. I look forward to reading everyone's responses and hopefully, learning from their experiences.

Take care!

//signed// John Powell President / CEO CNY Transportation Corp (fictional)

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Hunter - When we met in January of 2000, you were just a 6 week old pup who walked his way into this heart of mine as the only runt in the litter who would come over to me. And today, I sit here and tell you I am sorry we had to put you down. It was the best thing for you and also the right thing to do. May you now rest in peace and comfort. Love, Dad. 8 June 2010

I love you and miss you Mom. Say hi to everyone up there for me. Rest in peace and comfort. Love, John. 29 March 2017

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