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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:53 PM

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I wasn't really aware of this scale other than knowing Bachmann had made some Thomas and Friends characters to run on N Scale track. 

If there was some good detailed models based on the Talyllyn I would be tempted to dip my toes into this scale, even if just for a small diorama type layout. I have always been fascinated by the narrow gauge lines in Wales and I want to make the trip from the states to the UK to see them someday.

 

"Rheneas" is based on Talyllyn Rlwy.´s "Dolgoch" and there is a conversion kit available from Shapeways.

"Skarloey" is based on Talyllyn Rlwy. #1 "Talyllyn" and there is also a conversion kit for this loco.

A trip to Wales to visit the "Great little trains of Wales" is worth every penny! I was there 12 years ago to celebrate my 50th birthday and I can tell you there is only 1 rival to that experience - a trip to Silverton on the D&S NG RR.

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:40 PM

I wasn't really aware of this scale other than knowing Bachmann had made some Thomas and Friends characters to run on N Scale track. 

If there was some good detailed models based on the Talyllyn I would be tempted to dip my toes into this scale, even if just for a small diorama type layout. I have always been fascinated by the narrow gauge lines in Wales and I want to make the trip from the states to the UK to see them someday.

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Posted by The Gnome on Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:32 PM

Very sharp.  Shapeways get some credit but the paint job is all yours.

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:28 PM

Tinplate Toddler

Nice!

Is it HOn30?

 

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:10 AM

Nice!

Is it HOn30?

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Posted by snjroy on Wednesday, September 5, 2018 11:05 AM

Here is what did with a shapeways product and a Kato drive:

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Monday, September 3, 2018 11:25 AM

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I seen these nice locomotives but nothing is speaking to me to get/buy.

Maybe it is their very British look, which is not always appealing to us. Compared to North American or continental European steam engines, British engines look a  little "naked" - void of any pipes and fittings that usually adorn steam engines.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, September 3, 2018 10:58 AM

Tinplate Toddler

 

 
angelob6660
There's no 3d kit looks really good

 

3D printing has come a long way and there are some really fine models on the market. Narrow Planet kits use 3D printed shells, mostly on Minitrains drives. They make fine models if assembled carefully.

Fourdees models are also 3D prints and they are excellent!

 

I seen these nice locomotives but nothing is speaking to me to get/buy. 

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Monday, September 3, 2018 10:16 AM

angelob6660
There's no 3d kit looks really good

3D printing has come a long way and there are some really fine models on the market. Narrow Planet kits use 3D printed shells, mostly on Minitrains drives. They make fine models if assembled carefully.

Fourdees models are also 3D prints and they are excellent!

 

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, September 3, 2018 10:06 AM

Tinplate Toddler

 

 
angelob6660
I'm having a hard time finding a locomotives.

 

Other than Bachmann (USA) and Bachmann (UK), there are only few manufacturers of OO9 stock.

Peco offers passenger cars following Lynton & Barnstable Rlwy. prototype, Heljan has the right engine for that train. Fourdees has a few quite interesting locos and sets and Narrow Planet some nice OO9 loco and rolling stock kits.

Of course, there is always Shapeways.

A quite comprehensive list of what is available, either RTR or in kit form, can be found here.

Please note, that Backwoods Miniatures has closed its doors and it is not yet known, if or to what extend their range of products will be picked up by others.

angelob6660 - I have sent a PM with more info!

 
Thanks for the information. I will sincerely look into it. 

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Posted by angelob6660 on Monday, September 3, 2018 10:01 AM

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Angelob,

you said you are having trouble finding a 009 loco.  Have you considered buying a 3d printed kit?  Kato sells a motorized chassis that clips right on.

 

I thought of that. But I wanted a steam locomotive with cylinders than having side plates. 

There's no 3d kit looks really good. 

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Monday, September 3, 2018 9:07 AM

angelob6660
I'm having a hard time finding a locomotives.

Other than Bachmann (USA) and Bachmann (UK), there are only few manufacturers of OO9 stock.

Peco offers passenger cars following Lynton & Barnstable Rlwy. prototype, Heljan has the right engine for that train. Fourdees has a few quite interesting locos and sets and Narrow Planet some nice OO9 loco and rolling stock kits.

Of course, there is always Shapeways.

A quite comprehensive list of what is available, either RTR or in kit form, can be found here.

Please note, that Backwoods Miniatures has closed its doors and it is not yet known, if or to what extend their range of products will be picked up by others.

angelob6660 - I have sent a PM with more info!

Happy times!

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Posted by The Gnome on Monday, September 3, 2018 8:22 AM

Angelob,

you said you are having trouble finding a 009 loco.  Have you considered buying a 3d printed kit?  Kato sells a motorized chassis that clips right on.

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Posted by The Gnome on Friday, August 31, 2018 7:33 PM

LensCapOn,

thanks.

To add a little perspective, i should say that this spring i bought a popular HO Atlas station kit For about twenty bucks.  Just this week i noticed the door is over an inch high and very narrow.  The roof overhangs the door so you don't really see the top.  Maybe I did not notice because my lens cap was on.

it does not matter to me.  Scales are approximate on a lot of model train stuff.  This week I realized that i cannot guess whether a poster is 36” or 30” just by looking at it.  Having a precise eye might be a curse. If so, i escaped that one, thank goodness.

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Posted by angelob6660 on Friday, August 31, 2018 7:25 PM

I have collected a few Bachmann 009 freight cars with Skarloey and Rheneas. Waiting for Rusty to come out with the new coaches next year.

I been planning to get Peco 009 track, structures and scenery that will British inspired and favored. I'm having a hard time finding a locomotives. 

The layout will be fictitious with Thomas characters if I get bored with them I'll switch locomotives but keep the rolling stock. Unless the coaches have faces than I'll get new ones.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Friday, August 31, 2018 6:28 PM

I am not counting rivets, I just think people should know what they are talking about.

O0 is not the same as HOn30/HOe, just like S scale is not HO scale. It is as simple as that.

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Posted by "JaBear" on Friday, August 31, 2018 6:27 PM

Edit: In trying to show the actual size of the locomotive, the only way I could think of doing this was by putting my whole reply in JPEG form so the photo would get unloaded to the forum. You can clicjk on the photo to get a larger size.Confused

LensCapOn
No reason to go all rivet counter on this!...  ...So lighten up on this a little

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Posted by LensCapOn on Friday, August 31, 2018 4:57 PM

Tinplate Toddler

 

 
LensCapOn

HOn30, 009, and HOe are all basically the same thing HO scale on N scale track. There are some differences in what they call "HO" as stated with 009 using 1/76 "OO", but outside that they're all the same. There are even groups that lump them together as one interest.

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/604300132965220/

 

 

 
1) "I am sorry, but I can´t sign into that statement!"
  
2) "A 009 layout with HO scale buildings, figures and vehicles just looks silly."
 
 

No reason to go all rivet counter on this! There are so many people who are "having fun with trains" who haven't yet, and may never will, care that much about the finer details. To speak to them is why "basically" rather than "exactly" was used.

 

So lighten up on this a little.Smile

 

As for the second people have been using off scale items for so long, what's the point? Even using HO items it becomes a question of how undersized they were modeled in the first place. On the worst, you would just have to have them on the other side of the street for a little forced perspective. On the best, they could work fine.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Friday, August 31, 2018 2:26 PM

You could of course kitbash an HO scale building into an OO scale building by installing bigger doors and maybe bigger windows - providing that each story is also high enough.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Friday, August 31, 2018 1:59 PM

Tinplate Toddler
A 009 layout with HO scale buildings, ... just looks silly.

But if you change the doors to OO and add some foundation to raise the height you can make it work.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Friday, August 31, 2018 12:52 PM

LensCapOn

HOn30, 009, and HOe are all basically the same thing HO scale on N scale track. There are some differences in what they call "HO" as stated with 009 using 1/76 "OO", but outside that they're all the same. There are even groups that lump them together as one interest.

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/604300132965220/

 

 
I am sorry, but I can´t sign into that statement!
 
HOn30 and HOe are basically the same, with HOn30 being the North American variant and HOe the European one.
 
OO9 is a different scale and has only the track width (gauge) of 9mm between the rails in common with the other two. OO9 is basically "confined" to British or British colonial railway modelling. While HOn30 resp. HOe represent 2 1/2 ft. gauge for North American models, resp. 750/760mm gauge for European models in HO scale (1/87), OO9 scale (1/76) represents anything from 1ft. 11 5/8 inch. gauge (Ffestiniog Railway) to 2 ft. gauge (Darjeeling Himalayan Rlwy.) and 2ft. 3inch. gauge (Talyllyn Rlwy.)
 
A 009 layout with HO scale buildings, figures and vehicles just looks silly.
 

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Posted by LensCapOn on Friday, August 31, 2018 12:26 PM

HOn30, 009, and HOe are all basically the same thing HO scale on N scale track. There are some differences in what they call "HO" as stated with 009 using 1/76 "OO", but outside that they're all the same. There are even groups that lump them together as one interest.

 

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Posted by The Gnome on Friday, August 31, 2018 7:52 AM

This is what I was talking about in my initial post.

The red box car on the right was made from parts. It runs smoothly on N gauge tracks. Behind it is a 009 railbus. The old N scale boxcar supplied the chassis with wheels and trucks. A broken yellow HO boxcar supplied the shell, which i cut down using my trusty dremel. It is not pretty but that is because the worker is clumsy. The principle is sound. Using parts is much cheaper than buying narrow gauge cars.

cut down

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Posted by The Gnome on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 4:53 PM

Kevin, you said you modek complete nonsense.  Thank goodness!

https://youtu.be/u3QHeIX2XjI

 

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Posted by "JaBear" on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 4:24 PM

OO scale. 4mm to the foot.

HO scale. 3.5mm to the foot.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 3:57 PM

The Gnome
somebody please tell me where the free spirits in the model train community hang out. I might be in the wrong place.

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I seriously doubt you will find a much more free spirit than me!

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I model complete nonsense.

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Posted by Tinplate Toddler on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:17 PM

The Gnome
009 could be the best choice for Americans who want to model in compact spaces but who think N scale train cars are too small.

How about HOn30? There is a well-established community of model railroaders modeling in HOn30, thus avoiding the necessity to import OO scale figures, buildings, vehicles. There are a number of HOn30 engines and cars available, which are quite close to a specific US prototype. You´d be surprised what a web search will unearth!

Btw, you can use the inexpensive Kato or Tomytec N scale mechanism for frellance stock in HOn30 as well. It´s all on 9mm track.

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Posted by The Gnome on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:10 PM

009 could be the best choice for Americans who want to model in compact spaces but who think N scale train cars are too small.

just ignore the spacing of the ties.

now, somebody please tell me where the free spirits in the model train community hang out.  I might be in the wrong place.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:08 PM

l really do not see any difference worth mentioning between "OO9" and "HOn30" as far as anything goes.

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Personally, if I was one of those Britsh Railway Modelers I would be looking at HOn30 track because running those models on N scale track looks awful. HOn30 also has a guage of 9mm.

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