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A Great Scratch Building Tool

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A Great Scratch Building Tool
Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:40 PM

A Great Scratch Building Tool
 
Some of you may have known about the Zona #33 Micro Saw but it was a newbie to me.
 
When I saw the Zona #11 size saw blade I instantly ordered some.  This little goodie works better than great.  It cuts through basswood like butter and does very good on a .04” sheet Styrene.
 
 
 
I can’t wait to get started on another scratch build project.
 
 
 
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:20 PM

Mel, I have never tried these. I thought the length would be too short for them to be useful.

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Glad to hear the positive review. I will give these a try.

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:22 PM

I'd prefer it to cut on the push stroke.  

 

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Posted by mvlandsw on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:28 PM

The Excel #13 blade is longer and can be inserted in the handle to cut on the push or pull stroke.

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Posted by kasskaboose on Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:09 PM

Mel,

Does it leave a clean cut similar to a knife or have to smooth it with something?

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, August 16, 2018 6:48 AM

kasskaboose

Mel,

Does it leave a clean cut similar to a knife or have to smooth it with something?

 

The Zona#33 blade leaves a smooth cut edge on both Styrene and Basswood.  The Zona #33 blade is .012” thick and the Excel #13 blade is .028” thick and the cut edge using the Excel blade isn’t as clean as the Zona.
 
I prefer a pull cut on a saw, might be because of old age but even working with lumber I find a pull cut saw is easier to use (less mussel power) and I seem to have better control of the cut.  Probably just old shaky hands Mel, at 81 nothing works like it did 20 years ago.
 
I haven’t come up with a new scratch build project yet but last evening I cut several holes for HO scale windows in some 1/32” scrap Midwest Basswood HO Siding and the Zona blade easily pushed through and did a fine job on the holes.  Sure wish I had found the Zona before I built the houses for my layout, would have been so much easier as well as saving many regular #11 blades.  I constantly broke the tip off of the #11s, I would guess that it took me about 4 or 5 blades per house.
 
 
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Posted by SeeYou190 on Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:01 AM

RR_Mel
I prefer a pull cut on a saw,

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I also prefer to cut on the pull. I have found that blades described as "Japanese Saws" are designed to cut on the pull.

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, August 16, 2018 7:53 AM

 Nice find, I haven't seen those before either. Will definitely check it out, I can see a multitude of uses.

 Add me to the "cut on the pull" crowd. Much easier to control, even when you DO have steady hands. I guess it all goes back to my Dad teaching me to cut lumber with a hand saw, and making that starting cut by using a bent thumb to align the blade with your mark and then slowly draw the saw back. Guarantee trying to push instead of pull would make the blade wander. On small stuff, say you have your hand braced on the workbench, if you draw a blad back, you are coming more into the supported area, if you push away, at the end of the cut you are in the more unstable position.(I'm thinking of holding the handle sort of like a pen, with the side of your hand resting on the bench to steady it. As you draw the thumb and forefinger back, you move more into the stable area, if you try that and push away, you end up tilting your hand to get the reach. Plus i think the muscles that clench the fingers towards the palm are both stronger and steadier.)

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Posted by RR_Mel on Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:56 AM

After visiting the Zona web page I have ordered their 35-150 thin razor saw (.006” thick blade 42tpi) for kitbashing.  It's also a pull saw.  Should make chopping up rolling stock super easy.
 
 
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Posted by mlehman on Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:35 AM

Heard of those Zonas but never tried any. The Excel sawblade has its uses and has the advanatage in some,but not all tight spaces. But I tend to bend the Excel regularly and the stiff back on the Zona will definitely be a strength advantage.

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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, August 17, 2018 4:10 AM

All of which begs the question, which is better, a push saw or a pull saw?

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, August 17, 2018 5:16 AM

While I start a cut the same way as Randy, saws are usually meant to cut in one direction.  You wouldn't think of putting a circular saw blade in backwards nor would you cut a 4x4 just on the backstroke with a handsaw. 

The materials we work with are soft and thin, and the margin for error is small.  Control is more important than speed or cutting in volume.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Friday, August 17, 2018 8:27 AM

Henry
 
Age makes a difference, at least with me.  At 81 I have more strength pulling than pushing.  I haven’t cut a 4” x 4” with a back saw but I have cut many 2” x 4” with one, it’s much easier for me.  I accidently stumbled on to the backsaw 30 years ago when I need to do a cut that was almost impossible to do with a regular saw.  My neighbor came over with a backsaw and it worked so good I went down and bought one.  Since then my backsaw collection has grown as has old age.  Old age hasn’t been very good to me, anything that makes it easier is the only way to go.
 
I don’t cut in volume when I’m scratch building, I need accuracy and for me a backsaw works the best.  I modified an Xacto saw blade to a backsaw and it has done well for several years so I expect the Zona to be a great improvement over my homebrew.
 
I’m not knocking a regular push saws or anyone that like them, it’s just that the back saw works the best for old shaky hands Mel.  
 
 
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