George, that was an interesting read, thanks for posting it.
Wayne, I read somewhere that the RCMP Musical Ride moved around by train years ago. I am unable to find any pic's online but thought it would be an interesting scene to add to the layout as I have had many family members in the in the RCMP over the years.
Horse cars are something else to watch out for at the train shows.
Brent
"All of the world's problems are the result of the difference between how we think and how the world works."
doctorwayne SeeYou190 ....I was told, and have since assumed, that horse cars always operated with a drover car..... As far as I know, horse cars like the one shown in my previous post were generally for racehorses or show horses. I'm not sure, though, if the attendents rode in the same car or in a coach. Wayne
SeeYou190 ....I was told, and have since assumed, that horse cars always operated with a drover car.....
As far as I know, horse cars like the one shown in my previous post were generally for racehorses or show horses. I'm not sure, though, if the attendents rode in the same car or in a coach.
Wayne
I have the 1952 IC passenger car diagrams. They had 5 horse cars then. The floorplan on the diagram sheet just shows stalls and troughs. No seating or quarters for an attendent.
The cars were 70.9 feet long over the end sills and had stalls for 24 horses. They were steel cars built in 1924 by Std. St. Car Co. The end doors opened into stalls. It doesn't look there was anyway to access the car while the train was moving. There is about a 10 foot space between stalls at the center of the car where an attendent could ride, but he'd have to crawl over stalls to access the ones on the ends of the car.
Jeff White
Alma, IL
From what I've seen, the horse car variant of the baggage-express car was for thoroughbred racing horses. Lotsa people took the transport of these animals VERY seriously.
The few that I've studied were convertable back to express use.
The 1937 Car Builders' Cyclopedia shows interiors and floor plans of several of these cars. There was absolutely no special accomodation for attendants. I am sure attendants were present, and likely had a stool to sit on; but they were on duty, so "getting comfortable" was not an option.
I am disappointed that my geographic area of interest didn't support significant horse racing--I'd love to run a horse car in a train.
Ed
Oh, you mean a horse carrying car. I thought you meant a horse drawn trolley :-)
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Genesee Terminal, freelanced HO in Upstate NY ...hosting Loon Bay Transit Authority, run through Amtrak and CSX Intermodal
CP/D&H, N scale, somewhere on the Canadian Shield
I have a horse car and a camel car.
Some years ago MDC Roundhouse sold a six car Wild West set with matching 2-6-0 in HO scale. Thirty six foot cars. !900 era. I stocked both cars. I bought two sets. The locos have nice motors that are in the last Athearn Roundhouse DCC steamers I bought a few years ago.
The two Wild West 2-6-0's came as kits. Probably the last loco kits I saw.
You can see the set at HO Seeker.
Photo Bucket is gone. Too bad.
Rich
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SeeYou190....I was told, and have since assumed, that horse cars always operated with a drover car.....
I must be wrong about something here.
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I was told, and have since assumed, that horse cars always operated with a drover car.
That does not seem to be true.
How did the cowboys and horses get around?
-Kevin
Living the dream.
There's one of those Merci cars in Baton Rouge at the Old State Capitol building.
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
Bachmann makes a stock car with a pair of windows that have horse's heads bobbing in and out. Just the horse's heads-not the rest of the body. It is noticeable and a bit disturbing.
No, but I have two kits for a Santa Fe prototype sitting here waiting to be built.
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No - out west, in my era (1890-1913), if they had one or two, they drove them, and if they had twenty or thirty they went in a stock car. The horse cars of that era were for eastern thoroughbreds!
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Not on a layout, but an interesting historical car. This is a "40 and 8" car from French railroad; so called because, during World War I, they could haul 40 troops or 8 horses to the front. I 1949, the people of France set 49 of these cars filles with artifacts to the US in thanks (Merci) for the post World War II aid sent from the US. For more history details:https://railwayvillage.org/explore/maine-railroad-history/maines-merci-car/
George In Midcoast Maine, 'bout halfway up the Rockland branch
Yup! I built a couple of them, one for a friend and the other for myself. I based them on a photo of the prototype in Lepkey/West's "Canadian National Railways Passenger Equipment 1867-1992".The prototype was originally owned by the Grand Trunk Railway as GTR 1207 (one of ten such cars), and after the road became part of the Canadian National, was re-numbered to 8907.
I built the models on a Rivarossi coach, removing the steel sides and replacing them with Evergreen Passenger Car Siding. The length is pretty-well dead-on to the prototype. Doors and sill steps are scratchbuilt...
The real ones had 24 collapsible stalls, so the cars could also be used in regular express service, too.
I was thinking of getting a horse car to be a converted baggage car in post 1945 passenger train.
Amtrak America, 1971-Present.
I have lionels postwar version with corral
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An optimist sees the light at the end of the tunnel
A realist sees a frieght train
An engineer sees three idiots standing on the tracks stairing blankly in space
I have a horse car in my old timer wild west collection.