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Reviving an Atlas Turntable (And hi to old friends)

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Posted by Paul3 on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:45 PM

At my club, we had a powered turntable that operated reliably for 45 years.  It used a 3/4" plywood disc suspended from the turntable's center shaft and a spring loaded 12v DC motor (supposedly the windshield wiper motor from a '48 Ford) that had a stack of rubber donuts on a pulley (like the ones used on sink faucets) attached to the motor shaft.  The spring kept the motor against the plywood edge giving it traction.  The motor control was simple: a DPDT toggle and a 12VDC power supply through an old rheostat.  It worked great.

For track power, the pit rail was split 180 degrees apart from each other (for example, think of a clock face and the cuts were at 12 and 6) with small dead section between them.  One pit rail was one polarity, while the other was the opposite.  The bridge had two wipers, one under each end.  When the turntable was turned to any position other than 12 to 6, the table rails were powered by the pit rails.  At 12 and 6, the table rails were dead.  It wasn't a problem for us because we only had an 10-stall roundhouse and only a half dozen radial tracks on the other side.

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Posted by Geared Steam on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:02 PM

The Atlas TT is just fine, and isnt noisy unless you apply 12 volts, use a powerpack (duh) and spent a dollar on a new belt for the motor.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:17 PM

RR_Mel
That drive system could possibly be very powerful, I would use a slip coupling to the bridge incase something hangs.

You mean if a toothpick gets stuck between the bridge and the pit, I might tweak my benchwork and the garage wall it attaches to?

I'll have to thnk about how I'd do that.

In the meantime, I'm about to start construction on the layout. I have my jig set up and I'm about to start ripping the benchwork out of 3/4" plywood. 

I'm actually nervous about this. 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:11 PM

50 years ago I lived near and serviced two-way radios on a Research and Development Air Force Base and their garbage cans were a model railroaders dream.  I scrounged up bunches of gear motors, super high end batteries (Lithium cells in the early 70s) and all kinds of electronic parts.
 
The gear drive in your picture looks very good, lots of possibilities.  That drive system could possibly be very powerful, I would use a slip coupling to the bridge incase something hangs.  The Dayton gear motor in my drive develops over 50 inch pounds of thrust (8K to 1 reduction).  I figure without the slip coupling and something happened to fall into the pit out of sight I might find one of my Cab Forwards flying across the garage on to the floor.
 
Keep the pictures coming as your project continues.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by SpaceMouse on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:43 PM

RR_Mel
I tried several scratch built TTs over the years but they always failed because of the drive system.  I didn’t keep track of how many drive systems I tried but it would take more than counting on my fingers.

This is what I plan to use. It's pretty hefty.

Turntable Motor

Turntable Motor

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Posted by RR_Mel on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:00 PM

Chip
 
I tried several scratch built TTs over the years but they always failed because of the drive system.  I didn’t keep track of how many drive systems I tried but it would take more than counting on my fingers.
 
When I went with my CMR TT kit that I bought in 2000 and finally got it installed in 2007 I went berserk.  I wanted lights on the bridge as well as the power to the rails.  I was also determined to build my own indexing system.  This is what I ended up with.
 
   
My CAD drawing.
 
What the slipring looks like.
 
The Dayton gear motor installed.
 
The over head power drop is real, it powers the right rail.  The Power pole is ⅛" brass tubing with a pair of .015 brass rods to thebridge.  The TT shaft powers the left rail.
 
I built a simple IR detector using the track LED emitters in the turntable pit with dual IR receivers paralled below the bridge on each end.
 
The Dayton gear motor makes everything work great, using a relay for motor control wired for dynamic breaking it stops perfect within less then a 1/64" every time.
 
I don't worry about rail polarity on DCC, it isn't needed.  I did install a polarity toggle for running in DC mode.
 
 
 
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Posted by Paul3 on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:10 AM

Wow, SpaceMouse is back.  Now there's a name I figured was gone for good.  Welcome back.

For your Atlas table, why not turn it into an Armstrong?  Pull the gears out and attach an arm at each end, and viola!  Instant 1800's turntable.

I pulled the gears out of mine because I hated the motor and I hated the turn-pause-turn-pause nature of the Atlas gearing (all while cranking furiously).  No table turns like that in real life.  But Armstrong tables are real enough, right through the end of steam at the ends of branchlines. 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 4:22 PM

DigitalGriffin
How's the vitamin biz going?

Don't know. I sold the main part of the biz in 2000, then the rest dried up in 2008 when the economy went south and Walmart moved iin. But thanks for asking. I asked you some stuff on your post on bridges. 

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Monday, January 29, 2018 3:40 PM

CHIP! Welcome back. There's a few of us old regulars here still. How's the vitamin biz going?

 

Any way, that Atlas turntable was notorious for being unreliable (as you found out). The biggest problem was gear mesh. You'll have to take her apart and work the problem.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 3:15 PM

Never mind. I think I figured it out. I can use the rail aroung the bottom and either get power through the wheels or use wipers. It will be auto reversing because it will correctly be wired no matter how the track is faced. 

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 2:33 PM

FRRYKid
As once was said (on an MR forum post IIRC), turntables weren't meant to be completely silent.

I heard the noise when I tested it.

The more I imagine it running the more I see the jerking of the turntable. I know why they did it. It's a fine a job of idiot proofing as I've seen. It's just that I can't picture an 1890's turntable using a Geneva drive to reverse a train. Maybe I can put ox horns on a tarantula and train him to pull the bridge around.

Seriously, I have this really cool motor drive assembly that was realy engineered for powering a model turntable--a 7V motor turns a 5/8" stainless steel shaft that is quieter than a ninja in space. I'll try to post a picture. 

I figure I could waltz down to Wally World and pick up a cheap 9" cake pan. Heck I gotta scratch a bridge anyway, and I'll bet my $50 micrometer that I can drill a hole in a piece of oak so tight it won't move when you slide it on that shaft. that will make a solid foundation for old-timey cosmetic work.

The part I can't figure out is how to wire the track. 

I went through a phase where I thought it was a good idea to buy "lots" of train stuff on eBay and I have an AR1 just sitting around doing nothing. What I'm saying is I don't even have to worry about polarity. Every cool idea I've seen people use so far to wire their track doesn't seem to work with my set-up.

Maybe I can train the tarantula to attach alligator clips after he turns it.

Anyway, I open to new or old ideas. 

Chip 

   

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Posted by FRRYKid on Monday, January 29, 2018 1:17 PM

I have one of those type of Atlas TT. What I ended up doing to quiet it down is to purchase two sound deading tiles used to insulate for sound. (Think auto detailing shops or car stereo shops. An article was in an MR on using them to kill track noise.) I designed a pattern 1" bigger than the deck of the TT to cut the tiles and mark the area on the table. I used a router with a straight cut bit to cut the hole in the table to fit the tiles in. It doesn't cut the noise completely but it is a lot quieter than it was. As once was said (on an MR forum post IIRC), turntables weren't meant to be completely silent.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 12:57 PM

selector
I have that old curved trestle rescued and just in front of the waterfall.

Can't wait to see it. I liked that trestle.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 12:55 PM

Hey Garry.

 

Good to see you Marlon. I saw your pic and layout. What do you model your structures seem to be from a couple eras?

 

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Posted by Heartland Division CB&Q on Monday, January 29, 2018 11:21 AM

Hello, Chip ! 

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Posted by selector on Monday, January 29, 2018 11:18 AM

SpaceMouse

Hey Brakie!

Crandell, what are the major differences in your designs this time?

 

 

 

Due to the shape of the space, I went back to the one I constructed in 2006, the folded loop.  I have kept tunnels to a minimum this time, leaving the trains more visible and enjoyable.  My big challenges this time were below-layout staging with access via a no-lix, and a switchback serving two industries with a very challenging waterfall over a substantial rockface.  I have that old curved trestle rescued and just in front of the waterfall.  I hope to post pix by the spring.

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Posted by Medina1128 on Monday, January 29, 2018 8:19 AM

Welcome back, Space! I was wondering what had happened to you...

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Monday, January 29, 2018 3:39 AM

BRVRR
Welcome Back, Chip.

I can honestly say it is good to be back.

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Posted by BRVRR on Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:09 PM

Welcome Back, Chip. Welcome

You have been missed.

Looking forward to seeing your work and reading your comments.Smile

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:03 PM

wjstix
At 12 volts it running flat out and it is pretty noisy. If you use say an old DC power pack and hook it up to the variable DC output so you can use say 3-5 volts, it's quiet and smooth-running. 

I hooked up my Bachman DC pack when I tested it today. I wasn't going to use it for anything else so you read my mind.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:00 PM

Hey Brakie!

Crandell, what are the major differences in your designs this time?

 

 

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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, January 28, 2018 10:00 PM

Re the sound, the problem is a lot of folks hook the Atlas TT up to the 12V DC accessory output of their power pack. At 12 volts it running flat out and it is pretty noisy. If you use say an old DC power pack and hook it up to the variable DC output so you can use say 3-5 volts, it's quiet and smooth-running. 

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Posted by selector on Sunday, January 28, 2018 7:54 PM

Mouse, we moved into town three years ago for a number of reasons.  Wife partitioned a double-wide garage while I was away for a week and triumphantly showed it to me upon my return...saying the 9 X 24' part was mine. Now into my third winter, I have the room drywalled and painted, benchwork completed, track and electrical done (minus yard), and I have begun to make scenery.  This was about 1/5th the pace of my previous layouts, also for various reasons.  But, I'm running trains, letting them tell me where I need to tweak the tracks, and mixing buckets of ground goop.  I'm at the fun part, finally, where I get to fiddle, problem solve, and enjoy my steamers running over clear spruce and plywood.  (Hey, is there a name for a railroad in there? CS&P Ry)

I have to say it's good to know you're back in the cab and wiping down the gauges. 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:53 PM

Welcome Glad to hear from you and welcome back.Welcome

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, January 28, 2018 6:09 PM

IRONROOSTER
let us know what you wind up doing and how it works out.

I'm going to start by recessing it and bashing the bridge, but you know it will turn out great, Paul, because if it doesn't I rip it out and do something else until it is great.

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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Sunday, January 28, 2018 5:40 PM

Welcome Back

I haven't gotten to building a turntable yet (and won't for awhile).  Good luck and let us know what you wind up doing and how it works out.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, January 28, 2018 3:06 PM

SpaceMouse
that's funny. I just google images Atlas TT abd yours was the first to pop up. If I remember correctly you were just about to start building a monster mayout. How's that going?

I'm getting a divorce, so the layout is packed up while we sell the house.  The wife always resented the layout.  The new girlfriend appreciates it.  I hate to have to tear it down after so much work, but if I get a chance to re-build I can eliminate a number of mistakes and make it a better layout.  I'm retired now so I'll have more time.

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Posted by SpaceMouse on Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM

rrinker
I'm using Peco track on the new one.

I hear you. I'm trying to decide between Peco and ME. I figure they are just as good, but Peco is cheaper. Then again, I'm building my turnouts with ME (Yeah, Fastracks). All I need is some micro difference to cause weird derails all over the layout. And I already have 14 turnouts. 

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:08 PM

 I had a layout before, that got mostly built but for scenery. I've been in this house for just under 4 years now, still working on having the basement redone. The old layout, while sectional and I did bring it along, a few months ago went entirely to the junk man. I only salvaged the electronics, tracka nd all went - I'm using Peco track on the new one.

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