Sorry to take this discussion about 2-8-0s further off track, no pun intended, but things are looking up for both my 2-8-0 and 2-6-6-2 previously mentioned.
For the 2-8-0, I ended up taking it apart down to the drivers and frame so I could access the wheels easily and test roll the runnign gear without any interference from the motor. I got the wheels re-aligned on their axles so the quatering was all correct and no more binding was occuring. To ensure the wheels didn't slip on the axle again I then removed the main problem wheel from the axle, applied a little super glue, and then reinstalled the wheel, making sure to quickly re-quatered it before the glue set. Now she has been running smooth and quiet!
Plus, I took out that terrible factory Bachmann headlight and installed a nano LED chip in the back of the actual headlight housing so now the headlight is actually functional and looks presentable!
As far as the 2-6-6-2, I finally decided to tear into it too and I got it almost completely taken apart. I discovered that the rear U-joint from the motor had a piece that had come undone from the worm gear axle of the rear tucks. I got out the trusty super glue and reapplied that part in the hopes that it doesn't break off in the future again.
The other problem I am facing is the wires between the engine and tender causing binding around corners. The original plugs that came with the model when I bought it had worn out to the point that the front headlight no longer was getting power and the front power pickups were spotty at best. I bought and installed replacement plugs from Bachmann and that solved the power issues, but the new wires seem to have a thicker, less plyable design or at least they arent naturally bent the way I want them to go, so they interfere with the drawbar between the locomotive and tender. This causes the binding issues while the engine takes corners, regardless of which hole in the drawbar I use for tender spacing. Without using the drawbar nothing binds but then there is a larger gap between the engine and tender and tension is being added to those plugs.
I'm thinking of trying to remount the plugs so they face straight backwards and not straight down at the drawbar. That should eliminate the binding issues, but it is easier said then done. A jointed draw bar would also work and is an idea that crossed my mind. Oh the joys of modeling steam locomotives!
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FJX2000. I saw too that Bachmann was selling new driver sets for that model but I didn't pull the trigger. Maybe I just need to do it and finally tackle the issue!
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doctorwayne A couple years later, I had time to work on it, so dug it out and took it for a spin. It ran well, but about halfway up a grade, it stalled. The rear driver set was still turning, but not the front one.I immediately figured that a driveshaft must've become uncoupled, but disassembly revealed that all of the gears in the front engine were pretty-well toothless...the former owner must have used non-plastic compatable oil, and while I was busy working on those other projects, it worked on destroying those gears.
A couple years later, I had time to work on it, so dug it out and took it for a spin. It ran well, but about halfway up a grade, it stalled. The rear driver set was still turning, but not the front one.I immediately figured that a driveshaft must've become uncoupled, but disassembly revealed that all of the gears in the front engine were pretty-well toothless...the former owner must have used non-plastic compatable oil, and while I was busy working on those other projects, it worked on destroying those gears.
Sounds exactly like what is happeneing to my 2-6-6-2. I need to take it apart to check what is happening inside but I'm sure with the amount of times it has happened the gears are probably pretty stripped. I saw too that Bachmann was selling new driver sets for that model but I didn't pull the trigger. Maybe I just need to do it and finally tackle the issue!
Since I operate using DC only, the first thing I do with my Bachmann locos (all steam) is remove all the circuitry in the tender and the plugs between tender and loco, and any wiring for lighting - I don't do "nighttime" running, and headlights were not required in daytime in my layout's operating era.
I replace the tender-to-loco wiring using a pair of single-wire plug-ins, as shown here on a modified Bachmann 10 Wheeler...
...and the locomotives all run smoothly at any speed.
Wayne
I installed a completely new sound and motor control decoder and only operate using DCC. I also removed the capacitors from the Bachmann motor. The result is significantly better performance than unmodified but nowhere near the operating performance of my other locos.
Hornblower
Just an update from the OP. Bachmann did replace the first DCC Equipped 2-8-0 I purchased and the second loco ran better, but not as well as so many claimed for the original run of this model. I installed a sound decoder, replaced the miserable headlight, added a back-up light, then did a lot of massaging of the driveline. Unfortunately, this second loco still does not run even as well as my old MDC loco kits. While all of my other locos will smoothly crawl around my layout at less than 10 scale miles per hour, including my Bachmann Sound Value 2-6-0 Mogul, this Bachmann 2-8-0 refuses to run smoothly under about 25 scale miles per hour. This purchase has been a BIG disappointment.
LastspikemikeYour post is inspiring. I spent half of my holiday Monday manufacturing bits to create a boxcar underframe. Very relaxing.
Thanks, Mike. Creating stuff or simply modifying something you have into something more suitable for your needs can be a very satisfying pastime.
Lastspikemike...But, that's not the point of doing this tinkering and building in this hobby, I've decided,...
Yeah, sometimes just fiddling around with whatever's on-hand can have pretty decent results, too.Most of my freight cars have been modified in some way or other, and a few have been kitbashed, like these gondolas built on Tichy flatcars...
...four were done as TH&B cars...
...while the fifth one was based on a TH&B prototype, but lettered for one of my freelanced roads...
I've scratchbuilt several cars, including four of these modified Dominion-Fowler cars, with roof hatches and longitudinal hoppers...
While this one was built as an experiment...
...I did use a commercially-available roof (Red Caboose) that I had on-hand...
...and while I did use Tichy brake components, I scratchbuilt the underframe and added pretty-much all the brake rigging and piping that would be on the real one, keeping in mind that it needs to operate well on my layout, too...
I used insulator's aluminum tape to simulate the car's side sheets...
...and used rivet decals to add some detail..
...although I erred on the car's ends, where the rivets shouldn't have been so closely spaced...
All-in-all, though, I'm reasonably satisfied with the results, and the techniques learned may be useful for other projects...
If you have lots of time to kill, there are a bunch of freight car modifications going on HERE, with the last ones being Athearn Blue Box boxcars, with most of the Athearn stuff removed.
Enough of my off-topic run-on, so let's get back to flogging-on Bachmann's misdeeds.
When the Bachmann Spectrum Consolidation first appeared, I bought two, and later acquired another six, plus a Light USRA Mountain, two 10 Wheelers, and a 2-6-6-2, the latter bought second-hand.
I also owned a Bachmann Reading Consolidation (the version with the pancake motor). It was, surprisingly, a decent runner, and continued to be so even after a 5' drop to the carpeted floor. It still runs well, but it's not usually even on the layout.One of my Spectrum Consolidations also took a nose-first dive when I neglected to put a lift-out in place...it was only 3', but to concrete. I had to repair the drawbar and replace the front Kadee, on which the head broke off. I called it the lucky 26, as it ran as well as it ever had. Several years later, it started having problems with erratic running, and disassembly revealed that a plastic boss into which a screw was threaded, essentially holding the superstructure to the chassis, had broken off. I'm guessing that it may have broken or partially broken, with the initial dive to the floor. It was a very simple repair, and the loco again runs as well as it ever has.I've added weight to all of my Consolidations, both in the boiler and cab, and also with replacement air reservoirs made from lead-filled brass tubing, so they're all very respectable pullers. I shortened the tenders to better-suit their assignments...
Here's the "Lucky 26" in a recent view...
Here's the 4-8-2, and like those on the NYC, it's known as a Mohawk, since my layout is set near a very large Six Nations Reservation...
It had some early issues with the valve gear, but I was able to fabricate a new part and a couple of rivets to effect a repair, with no troubles since.
Here's one of the two 10 Wheelers, with its slide valves and steam chests reworked...
With a "new" boiler (Varney casting used for the "Casey Jones" 10 Wheeler and the "Old Lady" Consolidation) and a cab from a Bachmann Spectrum Consolidation, along with a few details, some added weight, and a shortened tender, she's much better suited to my needs...
After a little paint and lettering, the rejuvenated old bags have been turned into a pair of decent haulers...
I bought this one "used", from a now long-defunct hobbyshop. It ran well on my layout when I got it home, but because I had a lot of projects on-the-go at that time, I put it back in its box....
Bachmann had no replacement parts, so I contacted NWSL, and after some back-and-forth, sent the defective engine there, seeking suitable replacement gears. A year or so later, and no replacements, I asked to have it sent back.About that time, I learned of Bachmann's replacement programme: "If we can't repair it, we'll send you a free replacement." I contacted Bachmann to make sure that I understood the set-up, then sent the locomotive, along with forty bucks to cover the repair. A couple of weeks later, I got a message from Bachmann stating that they could not repair the locomotive, and instead, offered me a replacement...an 0-6-0.
Since it was not something I needed, I asked for a return of the locomotive. A week-or-so later, it arrived, along with my $40.00.
Perhaps a year-or-so later (I've never much kept track of time, and since retiring, even less) Bachmann announced some soon-to-come replacement parts. While I didn't hold much hope for what they might be, there were several items that Bachmann used to offer, like axle wipers for tender trucks, that I bought on a regular basis - very useful when repairing stuff for friends.I was surprised to see three-axle engine sets for an articulated locomotive, but it was unclear if they were for my older locomotive or for the more recently released version. I immediately contacted Bachmann, and was assured that they would fit my locomotive. I immediately ordered both front and rear engines, even though the rear engine on my loco had not had gear issues at all - better safe than sorry was my thought.
Anyway, the parts eventually arrived and were as-advertised, so I set about getting that locomotive into service.
After installing the replacement front engine and testing it, the next step was to shorten the tender...
...then doll it up a bit...
Since I planned to use the loco in helper service, I thought that an auxilliary tender for extra water might be useful, so modified this old Roundhouse tender for that duty...
I added a few details to the locomotive...
Then slapped some paint on her, and she was ready for the rails...
Unfortunately, the all-wheel pick-up on the two tenders creates too much drag, so the old girl's not much use for helper service.I'll likely modify it or remove some of the wipers, but I'm currently working on the main level of the layout, trying to finish-up a couple of the towns, so there's not much time for running trains.
I must apologise for the length of this post, but I wanted to emphasise that I'm completely satisfied with my Bachmann Spectrum locomotives - nice runners and good pullers, too... (the 2-6-6-2 runs well, and will eventually be a decent puller, too, once I correct my mistakes.) They're also great models for modifications, too.
I have had the same experience with my HO scale Bachmann 2-8-0 consolidation! I got it used off eBay which is always risky, but at first it performed pretty smooth. I worked on it to get it looking like the Union Pacific #618 on the Heber Valley Railroad in Utah (since I used to work there and thought if I was going to get a 2-8-0, that's what I'd want it to look like.)
When I got the model it was numbered #616 and had the standard tender so I switched it out for a Spectrum medium Vanderbilt tender to match the prototype. After re-lettering/numbering the model with Microscale decals I got it looking pretty good.
After installing a basic, non-sound decoder in the tender I started running it a bit. But then it started to run pretty clunky and noisy down the track. It was noticable to everyone at my train club. I knew this was a bad sign. Then it did the same thing as the OP where the driver wheels slipped on the axle connecting the wheels and the binding of the side rods brought the engine to a stop. This is now my 3rd Bachmann engine to have this same notorious "axle slippage" occur as I've come to call it. I had a 2-8-4 Berkshire do it as well as a 2-6-6-2. In the past I sent the engines in to Bachmann for re-alignment and have gotten them back only to have the issue return after running the model around the layout a few times, even without pulling a load (though I have noticed that the strain on the engine from a load or from going around corners or both can cause this issue to happen even faster or more seriously.)
Bachmann didn't have any replacement wheel sets on their parts website unless I pretty much bought the whole model for almost as much money as a new one, so I found ANOTHER 2-8-0 off eBay as a donor parts engine, only to find that it ran pretty clunky too. I decided to bite the bullet and look for a better solution.
I took the model apart so I had just the wheels and the locomotive frame without the top boiler/motor assembly in the way. I could then adjust the wheels on the axles just by giving them a slight twist with my fingers. Once I got it all quartered in and rolling freely again, and after pushing it around by hand to see if it rolled smoothly on the rails, I purposefully pulled one of the problem wheels off the axle, applied a little super glue, and pressed the wheel back on. It was important to get it re-quartered quickly but I manage to get it done and now the engine runs smoothly and at least on the test track I have that makes a J-shape, it hasn't bound up again on me.
Hopefully this solution lasts a little while, and if it proves to last, then I will continue work on this model by improving the headlight (which is the worst of any model I've ever seen) and get Tsunami 2 steam-2 sound in there!
ATLANTIC CENTRAL ATSFGuy Try the BLI 2-8-0's, they look better than bachmann's verson and you might get a better runner. That is completely subjective, while both are 2-8-0's, they are models of different locos, so they look different. I have had more problems with BLI locos than with Bachmann locos....and I only have 7 BLI locos and 35 Bachmann locos..... Sheldon
ATSFGuy Try the BLI 2-8-0's, they look better than bachmann's verson and you might get a better runner.
Try the BLI 2-8-0's, they look better than bachmann's verson and you might get a better runner.
That is completely subjective, while both are 2-8-0's, they are models of different locos, so they look different.
I have had more problems with BLI locos than with Bachmann locos....and I only have 7 BLI locos and 35 Bachmann locos.....
Sheldon
With more moving parts, model steamers are going to be more vulnerable to malfunctions than diesels. That is true regardless of who the manufacturer is. I have two Spectrum Consolodations, one with sound and one without and they have been among my most reliable runners. Not so with my Bachmann Niagra which I would put in the junk category. It never did run reliably due to the pilot truck that flopped around like a fish out of water no matter how I tried to adjust it. Most of my BLI steamers have been good runners but I've had two which had problems with the driver rods similar to what was described in the OP. The only difference is those problems developed over time and not right out of the box.
I'll have to look at the BLI 2-8-0's more closely to see the difference between each one.
ATSFGuy THE BLI 2-8-0's look more detailed than Bachmann's version.
THE BLI 2-8-0's look more detailed than Bachmann's version.
You are welcome to your opinion, but again just because that have the same wheel arrangement does not mean that the prototype locos would have had the same piping, appliances, visual features, etc.
Actually, if you are talking about the PRR H10 version, sure it may appear more detailed. PRR locos had lots of "stuff".
The non PRR 2-8-0 from BLI is a "generic" boiler on the H10 drive. It is a nice model. But its detail level is about the same as the Bachmann, and again not all 2-8-0's are the same. The non PRR model from BLI does not represent the same prototype and the Bachmann model.
Again, they are not models of the same loco, they will not have the same details, it is apples and oranges...
THE BLI 2-8-0's look a lot more detailed than Bachmann's version.
I've never seen splines to lock quartering on models except for a few British models. On a very few older models, the axle ends have flats, have keys, or are squared off.
With today's Chinese models, the driver centers are usually plastic, not metal, and everything is press fit. If the tolerances on the centers or axles are just slightly off, you don't get a good press fit.
Plastic gears are notorious for shrinking ever so slightly as they age, and then splitting as the shaft becomes too big for the gear. An example of a press fit that goes wrong.
just my experiences
Fred W
HB, I had a brand new Sunset Brass HO 2-10-4 that developed a stumbling problem, especially backing. I couldn't figure out why and tried all my usual remedies. I finally gave it to my go-to buddy who found that one of the screws on a crank had backed out. The head of the screw was binding slightly with a side-rod. I was fortunate to have noticed the stumbling before I ended up with a pretzeled rod. And, same loco, I had to send it back to Sunset because it would make sounds without any locomotion. Jeff had to replace the entire tether set between the tender and locomotive.
Don't grind down your teeth. Every one of us has to ship a problem child back to the reformatory for 'correction' once in a while.
I'm pretty sure that the new 2-8-0 loco that jammed on me did not hit anything on my layout. Regardless, I would still expect there to be a more robust method of holding the wheelset quartering so that something like a small bump would not be able to knock the quartering out of adjustment. Don't the Bachmann drive wheels and axles have splines to positively lock the quartering in place?
I had a couple of issues with my later run 2-8-0. First was that the eccentric crank screw worked its way loose and rotated 90 degrees causing the left side drive train to jam. The second was a pin that fell out of one of the smaller rods (dont remember which one, I replaced it with a small track nail, cut to length and smashed to look like a rivet.. good enough to work.
The second loco was a 2-10-0 that would run a bit and jam, but ran fine in reverse. I ended up putting in new drivers and side rods, this corrected the issue. It got slightly out of quarter for some reason (I think the drive rods whacked into some scenery on a friends layout that has some rocks that are too close to the tracks edge). I still have the old drivers in a box if I ever decide to go back and fix them.
As far as fixing the 2-8-0, should be a pretty straight forward replacement of the drive wheels. That having been said the gear box cover/pick up wipers tend to not want to go back to proper location. I ended up buying a new underframe with wipers for both locomotives.
I have two of them and have operability issues with both that seem to be centered around the circuit board in the tender. The first came DCC equiped and I initially blamed the cheap factory decoder. I ended up pulling it out in anticipation of a better replacement. Ended up putting the decoder into a DCC ready LLP2K loco just to test it out, and it ran beautifully without the hiccups I was experiencing in the 2-8-0. Back into the 2-8-0 and same herky jerky operation. The second one was only DCC ready and I put a Lokpilot in it, plugged into the factory circuit board and am having the exact same issue. The only other Bachmann steamer I have is an early light 4-8-2 that ran great initially, but developed electrical pick-up gremlins after not too much run time (Less than 100 hours best guess.). After trying everything I could think of pick-up related, I removed the factory circuit board and hard wired in the decoder and VIOLA! The apparent pickup problem was solved. It runs great again. I like my Bachmann steamers, and will buy more when funds permit, but that factory board has been a PITA in my experience.
Mike
selector Yeah, it's a bummer when you happen to be the one guy in 80 who gets a bad egg, but you'll get back something that runs like a Swiss watch.
Yeah, it's a bummer when you happen to be the one guy in 80 who gets a bad egg, but you'll get back something that runs like a Swiss watch.
Ditto.
I have lots of Spectrum steamers including three of this model. They all run great. I have had a couple of bad runners out of the box that were returned to the seller and exchanged for great running models.
This line has its detractors but I am not in that camp....For small steam, Spectrum is the best in my book if you are on a budget and don't want to mess with old brass...
Guy
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Hornblower,I have the engine you mentioned & it runs great. If I were you I would ask them to test run it, just to be safe.
I have 7 Bachmann 2-8-0s (DCC with sound) that are good pulling, sweet running locos. I also have one (DCC only) that doesn't run very well. I think it is the decoder that I plan to change anyhow, just haven't got around to it.
Grinnell
My Bachmann 2-8-0 is the most trouble free steam engine I've ever owned, so this was definitely a fluke. It's so reliable that it's almost no fun for a tinkering guy like me!
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hornblower Yes, I have already contacted Trainworld and the return process is in motion. I was just wondering whether this problem should be considered a fluke and I should ask Trainworld to send me another unit, or whether anyone would recommend simply getting my money back. I do have several other Bachmann Sound Value locos, including a 2-6-0 Mogul, and all run extremely well. I just wish the currently offered 2-8-0 had sound as well.
Yes, I have already contacted Trainworld and the return process is in motion. I was just wondering whether this problem should be considered a fluke and I should ask Trainworld to send me another unit, or whether anyone would recommend simply getting my money back. I do have several other Bachmann Sound Value locos, including a 2-6-0 Mogul, and all run extremely well. I just wish the currently offered 2-8-0 had sound as well.
(I see that Sheldon has responded already, but I have not read his post...I'm responding directly first.)
I have experience with two Bachmann steamers, both from the Spectrum line...upscale-ish. The first was a Class J 4-8-4. It was not a good locomotive and I sold it on eBay. It ran horribly, and its pilot was the only one of maybe 18 locomotives from five different importers, all different locos, that scraped the rails because it was so low.
On Sheldon's recommendation, I purchased one of the last of the first batch of all-metal "heavy" 4-8-2's. A completely different experience. It does take a lot of CV2 "V-Start" voltage to get underway, but it runs much better. I expect the CV2 setting to drop as I wear the drive in. Right now it has perhaps 20 minutes of running, none of which has been in the past two years.
These are nice to look at. When you get a good one, they run well. I can say the same about Rivarossi steam and BLI. My lovely, exceptional gem of a steamer, the P2K (pre-Walthers) 0-6-0 runs well when it runs. It seems to have developed a problem my fix-it guy can't find. It runs intermittently...I think it's the iffy tether system between tender and loco.
I would try to find a way to feel confident that you will end up with a locomotive that has earned a solid reputation. This one loco stands out in all my readings about the Spectrum line. Yeah, it's a bummer when you happen to be the one guy in 80 who gets a bad egg, but you'll get back something that runs like a Swiss watch.
And, if you join the forums, and have trouble getting the activation email, send an email to:
webstore@bachmanntrains.com
They have had a huge spam problem, and sometimes the activation email never arrives. The people at the above address will set you up.
Mike.
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If you have never been there, Bachmann has forums, company reps, repair, replacement, CV list, loco diagrams pages.
http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/board,2.0.html
Rich
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Thanks Sheldon. That's what I needed to know.
I have seen many positive reviews about this loco for some years.
Call Trainworld. Will be quicker than Bachmann and probably only have to pay to ship it back.
I have seen a lot of these for sale at Amazon.com