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34 inch Metal Wheelsets for HO Scale

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34 inch Metal Wheelsets for HO Scale
Posted by TractionNut on Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:55 PM

My favorite Pacific Electric 1000-series wood interurban coaches (aka "Tens") ran on 34 inch diameter wheelsets. My Suydam HO brass PE "Ten" models that repesent the real-life versions needs replacement metal wheelsets. But I cannot find anyone who sells 34" metal wheelsets in HO scale. Someone told me that there isn't a demand for 34" wheelsets, therefore 33" metal wheelsets are the next best thing because an inch difference is hard to notice. Is this true? Is there anyone out there who sells 34" wheelsets for HO scale models? I cannot tell if my Suydam HO "Tens" have factory 34" or 33" wheelsets.  

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:14 PM

Can you actually see the difference beween 33 and 34 inch wheels in HO?

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:52 PM

It's only a 11.5 mil (0.0115") difference so only a VERY discerning eye would probably notice.

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Posted by TractionNut on Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:57 PM

It may not seem like much, but it may still affect the coupler height. I am also trying to find out the exact (factory) diameter wheelset used for the Suydam HO scale PE 1000-series coaches. Perhaps I need to obtain an HO scale rule/ruler.  

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Posted by TractionNut on Thursday, September 22, 2016 4:59 PM

Perhaps you're right, Tom.

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, September 22, 2016 5:15 PM

Tom is always right................even when he is wrong.  Laugh

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Posted by dknelson on Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:15 PM

TractionNut

Perhaps I need to obtain an HO scale rule/ruler.  

For a difference this small a dial caliper would be helpful.

By the way I checked the drawings of the P.E. 1000s in the April 1971 Model Railroader.  Allen Brewster's drawing notes that the wheels are 34" but "33" in later years."  So even P.E. found 33" wheels easier to find evidently!  It should be interesting to learn which size Suydam chose.

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, September 22, 2016 6:21 PM

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Tom is always right................even when he is wrong.  Laugh

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Rich, I thought I was wrong one time...but I was mistaken.

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Posted by Old Thumper on Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:17 PM

The difference between a 33" HO wheel and a 34" Ho wheel is .0115 on dia.  The effect on coupler height would be only .0057".  You are not going to see the difference between .379 dia and .390 dia without measuring with a caliper or micrometer, unless the 2 wheels were butted up against each other.  Is a .005"/.006" shift in coupler height significant?  No - it is not.

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Thursday, September 22, 2016 7:50 PM

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Tom, I recall that.  You once said that freight car wheels are normally 33" and then thought that was wrong. Turned out that was right. So, in retrospect, you have never been wrong.  Yes

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Posted by TractionNut on Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:12 PM

Okay, got it. Makes sense. Now, I am assuming that if 34 inch wheelsets were never produced in HO scale before, then Ed and Doug Suydam must have had the brass HO Pacific Electric wood interurban 1000-series coaches (aka "Tens") produced using 33" metal wheelsets back in the 1960's. I'll start looking at 33" wheelsets as replacement for my PE "Ten" coaches (and their combine and business-commodore counterparts, too). Smile Yes

Thanks for your help everyone. 

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Posted by ACY Tom on Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:56 PM

Actually, the difference isn't a scale inch. It's a scale half inch. The distance between the rail and the center of the axle is 16-1/2" on a 33" wheel; 17" on a 34" wheel. That's how much the coupler height will be affected.  Many steam loco models have been produced with slightly undersized drivers to allow for flange clearance, and nobody was the wiser. On the prototype, a nominally 34" wheel can be used long after it has worn to a smaller diameter, so I'll bet the wheels on your prototype were often 33" diameter or so in actual practice. Are you equally concerned about tread width? If so, you're wandering into the realm of P87, and only the very brave venture there. There are far more important things to be concerned about. 

Many years ago I built a craftsman kit for a PRR class Nd 4-wheel cabin car (caboose).  The instructions called for the use of 33" wheels, but I knew the prototype used 36", so I made the substitution. I may be the only person who ever did that, and I am probably the only person who notices or cares.

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Posted by TractionNut on Thursday, September 22, 2016 11:50 PM

Hey Dave, thanks so much for that piece of information! I am always looking for schematic drawings of my favorite interurban! You've made my day! I will order a few back issues of the April 1971 Model Railroader magazine. Thanks again! Big Smile

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Posted by TractionNut on Friday, September 23, 2016 12:13 AM

Tom, I am not concerned about tread width at all, so I am not going to go there.

I would've done the very same thing with my "Tens" as you've done with your PRR class Nd 4-wheel cabin car years ago. Yes, even with the scale inch or half scale inch difference if a 34" wheelset existed, because I care. But, I don't have a choice since 34" wheelsets don't exist anyway. I've been convinced by you guys and I'm okay with 33" wheelsets after reading this forum. Wink  

 

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