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Building a layout in a European apartment

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Posted by andrechapelon on Friday, April 15, 2016 2:01 AM

G Paine

 

 
andrechapelon
I did see a parking place for sale in downtown Madrid. Would only set you back the equivalent of $24,000

 

You can buy a lot of rental car time for that money

 

You could actually BUY a car for that price, but you're right. 

Andre

 

It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Thursday, April 14, 2016 5:26 PM

andrechapelon

 

 
Sir Madog

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
Guess I would have a real hard time being a true city dweller.......

 

Now, I agree to that statement, Sheldon Laugh

Unfortunately, I am one - but not by own choice. I do miss the garden we had and my man cave in the basement!

 

 

 

Like Sheldon, I've never actually been a city dweller, either. However, it's something I'd consider under different circumstances (like the availability of high speed inter-city rail service). The 390 mile trip from Madrid to Barcelona took 3 hours flat. A quick trip on the Metro and a short walk got us to the apartment we rented. I'm quite impressed not only with the vast improvement in Spanish rail service in the last 30 years, but also with the extremely well maintained Spanish highway system and I have to admit being a bit surprised to discover that the high speed rail network here is second only to China in size.

I've had the "country gentleman" experience. I enjoyed it for a while, but mowing nearly a hectare of lawn on a regular basis is not my favorite recreational activity even if it means riding around on a lawn tractor pretending it's an F1 racer. I also couldn't see the advantage of having to make a 60 km roundtrip to obtain groceries (at least until Hannaford built a new supermarket in a location that reduced the expedition by half).  No thank you. The apartment we're staying in has a supermarket about 250 meters away, there's a good restaurant next door, a bakery across the street, and the nearest metro stop is 150 meters from here.

Andre

 

 

All very interesting. While I know all those metric measurement terms, I have no natural sense of them - nor do I really care to.........

That said, the acre I cut is considerably less than a hectare, it only takes about 30 minutes on my GRAVELY tractor - which also handles all the snow removal work in winter. I now do the other yard chores with a check book.........

The grocery store is only two miles away.........the post office and the model train store are only 500 yards down the street in the village center.

Our 1901 Queen Anne style home is located in what was once a small rural village that was a stop on the Ma & Pa railroad. The local model train store is in the old Ma & Pa station. The tracks once went right behind our house.

To the north of us is farm land, to the south - modern suburbia, but we are in the hart of the old village, protected by special historicly sensitve zoning. It was even better years ago before the suburbia was quite so built up, but all in all its a good place to live.

This picture is taken from the street:

In the the background you can see my garage, 32' x 40', the trains are in the heated and cooled second floor.

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Posted by G Paine on Thursday, April 14, 2016 3:58 PM

andrechapelon
I did see a parking place for sale in downtown Madrid. Would only set you back the equivalent of $24,000

You can buy a lot of rental car time for that money

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Posted by andrechapelon on Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:26 AM

Sir Madog

 

 
ATLANTIC CENTRAL
Guess I would have a real hard time being a true city dweller.......

 

Now, I agree to that statement, Sheldon Laugh

Unfortunately, I am one - but not by own choice. I do miss the garden we had and my man cave in the basement!

 

Like Sheldon, I've never actually been a city dweller, either. However, it's something I'd consider under different circumstances (like the availability of high speed inter-city rail service). The 390 mile trip from Madrid to Barcelona took 3 hours flat. A quick trip on the Metro and a short walk got us to the apartment we rented. I'm quite impressed not only with the vast improvement in Spanish rail service in the last 30 years, but also with the extremely well maintained Spanish highway system and I have to admit being a bit surprised to discover that the high speed rail network here is second only to China in size.

I've had the "country gentleman" experience. I enjoyed it for a while, but mowing nearly a hectare of lawn on a regular basis is not my favorite recreational activity even if it means riding around on a lawn tractor pretending it's an F1 racer. I also couldn't see the advantage of having to make a 60 km roundtrip to obtain groceries (at least until Hannaford built a new supermarket in a location that reduced the expedition by half).  No thank you. The apartment we're staying in has a supermarket about 250 meters away, there's a good restaurant next door, a bakery across the street, and the nearest metro stop is 150 meters from here.

Andre

 

It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:57 AM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL
Guess I would have a real hard time being a true city dweller.......

Now, I agree to that statement, Sheldon Laugh

Unfortunately, I am one - but not by own choice. I do miss the garden we had and my man cave in the basement!

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:30 PM

Sir Madog

There are many different ways of having a layout in an apartment - from a shelf layout to a layout which can be lifted or folded up, a mini-modular layout or a micro-/boxfile layout. Size is certainly irrelavant to the amount of fun one can have building a layout.

The only real drawback is when you live in apartment is actually building it. There is no way to avoid making a certain amount of mess while building the layout and that can "earn" you one of those serious looks from SWMBO! Guess how I come to know that!

 

Just one more reason why my layout, and most of my other toys, are in the 2,000 sq foot building in the back yard, or in the basement. I can't even imagine living in an apartment. 

I raised three childiren in a small townhouse many years ago, but even that had a 16' x 70' back yard with off street parking and a basement were I had a workshop for model trains.

Guess I would have a real hard time being a true city dweller.......

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 1:22 PM

There are many different ways of having a layout in an apartment - from a shelf layout to a layout which can be lifted or folded up, a mini-modular layout or a micro-/boxfile layout. Size is certainly irrelavant to the amount of fun one can have building a layout.

The only real drawback is when you live in apartment is actually building it. There is no way to avoid making a certain amount of mess while building the layout and that can "earn" you one of those serious looks from SWMBO! Guess how I come to know that!

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Posted by andrechapelon on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 12:44 PM

George, thanks for the warning, but this isn't exactly my first rodeo. The only thing a pickpocket could pick out of my pockets is lint and some small change.

It occurs to me that many of the challenges faced here would be similar for anyone living in an apartment anywhere, although things would be a tad more problematic if living in an environment where having a car is both inadvisable and unnecessary (inner city). While driving in from Toledo, we saw numerous new apartment blocks in the suburbs, where presumably, a car wouldn't be a real pain to have. Then, again, I did see a parking place for sale in downtown Madrid. Would only set you back the equivalent of $24,000. 

 

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It's really kind of hard to support your local hobby shop when the nearest hobby shop that's worth the name is a 150 mile roundtrip.
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Posted by gregc on Sunday, April 10, 2016 4:21 PM

you can temporarily set the layout in a living room, then pack it up in a chest.

 

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Posted by G Paine on Sunday, April 10, 2016 2:43 PM

I thought of another name to check out. Jon Grant has not been hanging out on the forum lately, but is still active. He is well known for his small, but well done layouts.

Sweethome Chicago (US based)
https://www.facebook.com/Sweethome-Chicago-158552070867956/

Sweethome Alabama (US based)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sweethome-Alabama/201342969884638

Hudson Road (UK based)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hudson-Road-NER/179262925452712

Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/profile?user=JonGrant4472

He also has a small layouts book. It's out of print, but should be available used on Amazon.

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Posted by G Paine on Sunday, April 10, 2016 12:29 PM

Andre

Here are a couple of references on building in small soaces

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?category=BVRR&scale=&manu=&item=&keywords=small+spaces&words=restrict&instock=Q&split=30&Submit=Search

They might be on Amazon as well, perhaps a closer outlet to Spain than Walthers

Watch out for pockpockets in Madrid. I almost got picked when we visited there some years ago.

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Building a layout in a European apartment
Posted by andrechapelon on Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:18 AM

Instead of a hotel, we rented apartments in both Madrid and Barcelona as part of our trip to Spain. The Madrid place is a 2br/2ba place of about 880 sq ft. about 1/2 mile from Atocha Station, in a building that's probably 18th Century judging from the architecture and some beams in the interior. I've identified 3 areas where a shelf layout could be built, the largest of which would be about 15 feet x 18". Whoever did the renovation on the apartment did an outstanding job. My wife's first comment when we opened the door was, "Wow, we could live here easily".

There are 2 train stores within a couple of miles of here and the nearest Metro stop is less than 1/4 mile away from the apartment. I haven't looked up model clubs yet, but that's next. The Spanish Railway Museum is within 2 miles as well and we're within walking distance to the Prado Museum. 

We dropped off the rental car at Atocha Station, which meant actually driving in downtown Madrid. I thought, being a Sunday and all, it would be relatively easy. As my wife opined, I was what she likes to call "wrong". 

This post is an outgrowth of the thread discussing where model railroading is most popular (and challenges faced by modelers outside the U.S.).  Granted you can't build a mega layout in a place like this, but building some kind of layout is entirely possible and, in a city center apartment, you don't need all the paraphernalia (mower, weed whacker, leaf blower, car) you might need in the 'Burbs.

Andre

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